RJ back to the Diamondbacks??

[VA Sox Fan]

yeah but lowe won a game 7 in ny

nobody else in sox history can say that

 

Amen Seany!

[kreinbihl34]

Wang hasn't even pitched a meaningful game. I like to see him in Lowe's spot. A nice Game 7 for the ALCS in Fenways. He would bust faster than a 25 cent condom.

 

Edit: Even without my rose colored glasses I can see that Wang isn't the first of his kind of pitching. I love when Yankees fans say that. Yes maybe he does throw a 94 mph sinker, but it doesn't have the bite like a 88mph does. Maybe instead of calling it a sinker, we'll call it a fastball with a sinking action.

[jacksonianmarch]

Wang hasn't even pitched a meaningful game. I like to see him in Lowe's spot. A nice Game 7 for the ALCS in Fenways. He would bust faster than a 25 cent condom.

 

Edit: Even without my rose colored glasses I can see that Wang isn't the first of his kind of pitching. I love when Yankees fans say that. Yes maybe he does throw a 94 mph sinker, but it doesn't have the bite like a 88mph does. Maybe instead of calling it a sinker, we'll call it a fastball with a sinking action.

 

Wang won game 1 of the ALDS and would have won game 3 of the ALDS in 05 if it werent for our complete lack of being able to hit. I'd say he has done pretty well thus far in his playoff career, in these 2 starts.

 

1-1 13.1IP 2.70ERA 14H 5K 1BB

 

Yeah, he cannot handle the pressure.

[jacksonianmarch]

Maybe instead of calling it a sinker' date=' we'll call it a fastball with a sinking action.[/quote']

 

 

That is where you are wrong, and watching him more than once or twice would benefit your decisionmaking. His sinker has high velocity with plus movement. It is a better sinker than Webb's, it is essentially the best sinker in the majors. The main difference with Webb is that his secondary pitches are better and he pitches in the NLW.

[BSN07]

Wang won game 1 of the ALDS and would have won game 3 of the ALDS in 05 if it werent for our complete lack of being able to hit. I'd say he has done pretty well thus far in his playoff career, in these 2 starts.

 

1-1 13.1IP 2.70ERA 14H 5K 1BB

 

Yeah, he cannot handle the pressure.

 

 

 

So you admit in your above statement that Wang rely's on the NYY lineup to win him games? You blamed them for his loss. So inturn he must not be that good.

 

 

Game 1 of the ALDS is the most non- pressure playoff game to pitch in. Yes of course there is certain pressure but compared to any other of the 4 games is nothing. Pitch in a game where your down in the series, or pitch in an elimination game, either it be your team will be gone with a loss or move on with a win. Those are the pressure cookers. Game 7 of the ALCS is by far the most pressure you can have in any game. When he gets into that situations, see how he does then you can say he does or does not respon well to pressure.

 

He does have the best sinker tho, I will go with you there, but don't compare someone elses with his. His is a power pitch, most other players use a sinker as a movement pitch that is between an offspeed and a power pitch.

 

Don't get me wrong I think hes a good pitcher, but for me hes still unproven.

[jacksonianmarch]

Not sure if I see where you are going here. He won last yr after going 6.2IP of 3ER ball and we won. Not surprising that our only QS in the playoffs was a W. 2 yrs ago, he went 6.2IP with 1ER and we lost, because our lineup had a measly 2 runs of support. I am not calling Wang an elite pitcher. He isnt a guy that I could roll against Santana with similar teams and hope for the win. But Wang is great for this team. He is a QS machine and in games that he doesnt give you a QS, he keeps you close enough to win. As I have said before, he may be our ace, because on our team this guy can beat anyone consistently. Put him with a s*** lineup and a terrible pen and he is a 2/3.

[TheKilo]

Wang won game 1 of the ALDS and would have won game 3 of the ALDS in 05 if it werent for our complete lack of being able to hit. I'd say he has done pretty well thus far in his playoff career, in these 2 starts.

 

1-1 13.1IP 2.70ERA 14H 5K 1BB

 

Yeah, he cannot handle the pressure.

 

 

Do the words small sample size mean anything to you?

 

And if Wang was touching 98 on a slow YES gun, then why can't he get back there?

 

Oh wait, he was probably only throwing 93-94.

[jacksonianmarch]

Do the words small sample size mean anything to you?

 

And if Wang was touching 98 on a slow YES gun, then why can't he get back there?

 

Oh wait, he was probably only throwing 93-94.

 

Small sample size? 330IP is not a small sample size.

[EvilDonut]

Small sample size? 330IP is not a small sample size.

 

I think he was referring to the small playoff sample size.

[jacksonianmarch]

oh, well thus far, 2 playoff starts and 2 solid outings.

[Gom]

Jacks, they are just hating. No one on their staff comes close to the talent that Wang is. The only one that might be close is Matsuzaka, and he is a huge unknown. Other than that, he smokes anyone they have. They know it, and we know it. It would be like us saying that Ortiz isn't that great because he didn't win World Series MVP.

 

Pathetic.

[TheKilo]

Jacks, they are just hating. No one on their staff comes close to the talent that Wang is. The only one that might be close is Matsuzaka, and he is a huge unknown. Other than that, he smokes anyone they have. They know it, and we know it. It would be like us saying that Ortiz isn't that great because he didn't win World Series MVP.

 

Pathetic.

 

 

I have lauded Wang's 2006 season more than most on this board. I have my doubts whether or not he can keep it up, but he was tremendous last season.

 

If he can keep this up without missing bats at the rate he does, more power to him. His peripheral numbers don't suggest he can keep up his sucess at last year's rate, but I do think he can be a above average pitcher for the Yankees for a long time.

 

But 13 IP is a f***ing small sample size. In ALDS games too. When he wins games in the LCS and the WS, then I'll say he can be better than Curt Schilling or Josh Beckett.

[Mr Crunchy]

wang is a good pitcher

at 1 point last year i considered him the hottest right handed pitcher in the al and rode his ass for about 6weeks because his odds were never as high as rjs or mussinas despite him being more effective and consistant

 

that said

is he a #1??

is he getting the ball opening day or will that bruise the ego of mussina too much??

its a different world as the 1

ask clemens

the 1st cy he won in toronto he was their 3 behind guzman(2) and hentgen(#1)

the following year he was certainly torontos #1

when he won the cy in ny he wasnt their 1

when he won it in houston i m pretty sure roy oswalt was the 1

 

it matters

if only because youre matched up with the opponents best pitcher and you constantly have a bullseye on your ass

[BudLight]

wang is a good pitcher

at 1 point last year i considered him the hottest right handed pitcher in the al and rode his ass for about 6weeks because his odds were never as high as rjs or mussinas despite him being more effective and consistant

 

that said

is he a #1??

is he getting the ball opening day or will that bruise the ego of mussina too much??

its a different world as the 1

ask clemens

the 1st cy he won in toronto he was their 3 behind guzman(2) and hentgen(#1)

the following year he was certainly torontos #1

when he won the cy in ny he wasnt their 1

when he won it in houston i m pretty sure roy oswalt was the 1

 

it matters

if only because youre matched up with the opponents best pitcher and you constantly have a bullseye on your ass

 

Good points and that also is one of the reasons why I believe Roger won't go back to Boston. His ego won't let him be matched up against other teams #3 in the rotation (behind Matzusaka and Schilling).

[jacksonianmarch]

He took the ball as the 1 for the ALDS and beat a team that went to the WS. He can handle the pressure.

 

What is funny though, is what he compares the pressure to. After throwing well but losing against ANA in 05, he was asked about pressure and he said that the pressure in NY is nowhere near what it was when Taiwan played Japan for a medal in the Olympics. The kid has ice in his veins. That said, he is not a guy who you can expect to throw 8IP 1ER performances a few times a month. But he wont have the games where he gives up 7 in 3IP. He is a very consistent pitcher who will give solid performances in NY against anyone. He is perfect for us. Who cares where he's slotted.

 

Personally, I dont think he starts the opener. Mussina or Pettitte will just out of sheer nostalgia. But Wang is the best pitcher of the three.

[a700hitter]

Randy Johnson pitched 6 innings giving up 2 earned runs, 7 hits, striking out 5 and walking 1 in his second start of the season. The Yankees would kill for this performance, but they have Luis Vizcaino instead.

[Optimist]

Yeah, I'm sure he'd be doing that in the AL East now.

[a700hitter]

Yeah' date=' I'm sure he'd be doing that in the AL East now.[/quote']Probably not. He only won 34 games in the AL East the last two years, and the second year he did it with a herniated disc in his back. Now that he is healthy there is no reason to think that he could win in the AL East with the Yankee offense backing him.

[MANNYHOF24]

Exactly, even if he wasn't dominant, he gave the Yankees innings.

[ORS]

I guess they didn't learn much from our experiment in trading away pitching depth pre-season. Can't say they didn't have a shining example to reference.

[a700hitter]

I guess they didn't learn much from our experiment in trading away pitching depth pre-season. Can't say they didn't have a shining example to reference.

...and we only traded away our #5 starter. The Yankees traded their ace.

[kreinbihl34]

...and we only traded away our #5 starter. The Yankees traded their ace.

 

This is when a Yankee fan comes with that Wang is their ace. I fear a broken Johnson more than I will ever fear Wang.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

This is when a Yankee fan comes with that Wang is their ace. I fear a broken Johnson more than I will ever fear Wang.

That makes sense considering Johnson did have a 7 ERA against the Sox last year.

[a700hitter]

That makes sense considering Johnson did have a 7 ERA against the Sox last year.

Wang's ERA against Boston is not very good.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Wang's ERA against Boston is not very good.

 

Yeah its 5.28 but thats better then the 7 ERA the Unit was throwing up last year against you guys. RJ was awful against the Sox last year so the last thing I want to hear is how much he would make a difference yesterday as opposed to Wang.

[a700hitter]

Yeah its 5.28 but thats better then the 7 ERA the Unit was throwing up last year against you guys. RJ was awful against the Sox last year so the last thing I want to hear is how much he would make a difference yesterday as opposed to Wang.

He's also 15-7 against the Red Sox lifetime. He wouldn't be replacing Wang in the rotation, but he'd be an improvement to their staff.

[jacksonianmarch]

right now he'd be an improvement. Not so sure in a month or so.

[a700hitter]

right now he'd be an improvement. Not so sure in a month or so.

I am pretty sure.