Developments in Matsuzaka situation.

[example1]

Here's something that seems off the wall but I'll throw it out anyway. If the Red Sox don't sign Matsu could they still let the Japanese hold the money so they keep control of any signing the pitcher does? Someone told me the Red Sox could do this.

 

It sounds just as (im)plausable as the Yankee fans wet dream that Boras will use his own money to pony up for Matsuzaka so he can bring him to the US. Let's just go with it. :dunno:

[example1]

That is really out of left field Fred. That's a lot of money to let someone else hold at no interest. Thye Red Sox would want to put this money to work for them.

 

Could the Red Sox owners just purchase the Seibu lions?

[jacksonianmarch]

It sounds just as (im)plausable as the Yankee fans wet dream that Boras will use his own money to pony up for Matsuzaka so he can bring him to the US. Let's just go with it. :dunno:

 

no, the money is automatically returned once the clock strikes midnight on that deadline.

[example1]

no' date=' the money is automatically returned once the clock strikes midnight on that deadline.[/quote']

 

Can they just work out a side deal, give them the money back and say "hold onto it, and we'll give you 80% to get a shot at Matsuzaka again next year."

 

I don't think this stuff is plausible, and I'm sure its annoying. Kind of like claiming that what might happen is Boras purchasing a player in a completely unprecedented and self-serving move that will piss off one of his biggest customers (BOS).

[jacksonianmarch]

Can they just work out a side deal, give them the money back and say "hold onto it, and we'll give you 80% to get a shot at Matsuzaka again next year."

 

I don't think this stuff is plausible, and I'm sure its annoying. Kind of like claiming that what might happen is Boras purchasing a player in a completely unprecedented and self-serving move that will piss off one of his biggest customers (BOS).

 

no, they cannot.

[a700hitter]

Can they just work out a side deal, give them the money back and say "hold onto it, and we'll give you 80% to get a shot at Matsuzaka again next year."

 

I don't think this stuff is plausible, and I'm sure its annoying. Kind of like claiming that what might happen is Boras purchasing a player in a completely unprecedented and self-serving move that will piss off one of his biggest customers (BOS).

...and wreck relations between MLB and Japanese Baseball. It's just preposterous.

[BSN07]

Boras hasn't hidden s***. From the moment the bid was excepted Matsuzaka has been seen saying farwell to his old ball club, his country, and sayinghow much he really wants to play in the states. If anything hes killing what little leverage Boras has. If Matsuzaka doesn't sign, he looks like a greedy prick in his home land, and for those of you that don't know, Japanesse culture is far and away different then ours. Honor and pride are very big in this country and for Matsuzaka to come out and look greedy would embarass and shame his hole family. So it won't happen.

 

Boras has everything to lose on this deal to. Japan is thought to be bringing in alot of MLB quality players in the future( thats why the Sox are trying to get in now), Boras want's to be a big part of this. If he f***s up the Matsuzaka deal NO Japan player will ever use him as an agent again. Hes just trying to be a hard ass to squeeze what little leverage he can because he knows he doesn't have s*** compared to what he normally has.

 

The Herald article on Matsuzaka coming to the states says, he will be in LA for two days, then him and his family are coming to Boston. At which point he will be part of the final negotiations, and to look for a home to live in during the season.

 

Everyone just need to stop buying into Boras's s*** and the NYY fan Propaganda! GOM this means you buddy!LOL Your gonna give someone on here a stroke:D

[a700hitter]

Boras hasn't hidden s***. From the moment the bid was excepted Matsuzaka has been seen saying farwell to his old ball club, his country, and sayinghow much he really wants to play in the states. If anything hes killing what little leverage Boras has. If Matsuzaka doesn't sign, he looks like a greedy prick in his home land, and for those of you that don't know, Japanesse culture is far and away different then ours. Honor and pride are very big in this country and for Matsuzaka to come out and look greedy would embarass and shame his hole family. So it won't happen.

 

Boras has everything to lose on this deal to. Japan is thought to be bringing in alot of MLB quality players in the future( thats why the Sox are trying to get in now), Boras want's to be a big part of this. If he f***s up the Matsuzaka deal NO Japan player will ever use him as an agent again. Hes just trying to be a hard ass to squeeze what little leverage he can because he knows he doesn't have s*** compared to what he normally has.

 

The Herald article on Matsuzaka coming to the states says, he will be in LA for two days, then him and his family are coming to Boston. At which point he will be part of the final negotiations, and to look for a home to live in during the season.

 

Everyone just need to stop buying into Boras's s*** and the NYY fan Propaganda! GOM this means you buddy!LOL Your gonna give someone on here a stroke:D

That's right. All thiese ridiculous scenarios of Matsuzaka buying himself out of his Seibu contract would have the effect of ruining his reputation in Japan where he is idolized. If Boras accomplished that, Japanese playyers would never use him. Boras knows this and is not going to cut himself off from a whole country.

[jacksonianmarch]

reputation or tons of bank. Hmmm. So he should accept the red sox ******** offers because of his pride. I dont think so. The sox will have to pony up.

[a700hitter]

reputation or tons of bank. Hmmm. So he should accept the red sox ******** offers because of his pride. I dont think so. The sox will have to pony up.

Are you privy to the negotiations? If not, how would you know that the Red Sox offer is ********. Your post is ********. The bottom line isn that the guy is going to sign. He 's going to make plenty of money. Seibu will make plenty of money. Boras will make plenty of money, and the baseball fans in Japan will be psyched to see him pitch in the US. Boras is not going to pull any ******** to sour the deal. In the end, he has no leverage with the Red Sox. He might have some with Seibu, so what. Let him squeeze Seibu for an endorsement contract or something. Believe it or not, the guy will still continue to make a ton of money on his name in Japan even after he plays in the US. He can't afford to have his good name sullied by Boras. It's about the money not the pride. Let go of your ridiculous contrarian ballbusting attitude for once so you can view a situation with some clear logic.

[jacksonianmarch]

the offer that I was referring to was the 4yr 32mil offer that was reported not long ago. THAT my friend is a ******** offer in this market.

[a700hitter]

the offer that I was referring to was the 4yr 32mil offer that was reported not long ago. THAT my friend is a ******** offer in this market.

Reported? Was it verified? No, it was pure speculation. Talks have progressed for mor than three weeks. I am sure that at this point both sides have moved from their initial positions, so why would you bring up an unverified out of date offer. It is completely irrelevant. Also you didn't refer to it as a reported offer that if true would be ********. You just concluded that the Red Sox have a ******** offer on the table. That's ********.

[TheKilo]

the offer that I was referring to was the 4yr 32mil offer that was reported not long ago. THAT my friend is a ******** offer in this market.

 

 

 

A while ago, right? Why start with your highest offer? It's called NEGOTIATION.

[BSN07]

5 Years 65 Million is my bet.... we shall see in a few days.

[schillingouttheks]

5 Years 65 Million is my bet.... we shall see in a few days.

 

That sounds about right, but that 5th year would be an option, methinks.

[Teddyballgame10]

I am optomistic about this jsut because of how bad Matsuzaka wants to come here. Look compare it to Clint Dempsey the American soccer player now playing in the MLS. He doesnt care how much he makes if he goes to Europe he just wants to go play with the best in the world. He has stated that money is not an issue. Ok Matsuzaka is a differenent person but he sounds like he just wants to get into the Majors not matter what. When the English Premier League offered a transfer fee for Dempsey and the MLS rejected it Dempsey was pissed calling out the league and has stated that he will not sighn back with New England no matter what. Those of you who follow soccer know how bad this made the MLS look. The MLS is like Boras here, if Boras f***s this up no Japanese player will ever higher him again. Just like how American and Latin players are starting to avoid the MLS and going straight to Europe. The deal is all on Matsuzaka if he really wants to come here he will. No matter what he makes here it will be better then the $3 mill hes making in Japan too.

[Gom]

Japanese pride and honor...hmm....December 7th, 1941?

 

Money talks. Pride and honor go out the window.

 

There are few things worse in life than a scotch whisky hangover. I am dealing with it today. In a very big way.

[a700hitter]

Japanese pride and honor...hmm....December 7th, 1941?

 

Money talks. Pride and honor go out the window.

 

There are few things worse in life than a scotch whisky hangover. I am dealing with it today. In a very big way.

His good name in Japan is worth money. It's ashame that your mind can't make that logical connection.

[TheKilo]

Japanese pride and honor...hmm....December 7th, 1941?

 

Money talks. Pride and honor go out the window.

 

There are few things worse in life than a scotch whisky hangover. I am dealing with it today. In a very big way.

 

 

 

It's also a shame you need to bring into the discussion an event where American lives were lost.

 

Baseball =/= war

 

Cmon Gom, you're better than that.

[seabeachfred]

The days are dwindling down to a precious few and it looks like an 11th hour decision will be at hand for Daisuke. I wish it weren't so but knowing Boras' MO it looks like that to me. I'm told Matsuzaka is in LA today and wonder if some of the Red Sox brass is out here to head him off at the pass. It would be nice to pick up the paper tomorrow morning and see that we inked him Saturday night over dinner at Benny Hana's but maybe I should save the miracles for next October just in case one is forthcoming.

[riverside sluggers]

The days are dwindling down to a precious few and it looks like an 11th hour decision will be at hand for Daisuke. I wish it weren't so but knowing Boras' MO it looks like that to me. I'm told Matsuzaka is in LA today and wonder if some of the Red Sox brass is out here to head him off at the pass. It would be nice to pick up the paper tomorrow morning and see that we inked him Saturday night over dinner at Benny Hana's but maybe I should save the miracles for next October just in case one is forthcoming.

 

He'll be in LA for just 2 days then fly over with his family to Boston.

[seabeachfred]

He'll be in LA for just 2 days then fly over with his family to Boston.

 

Riverside my friend, all I want to hear from you is that Boras is going to Boston with him and they are going to talk serious turkey. Have you heard anything of that sort? Time is flying by pretty fast. We need to get that guy signed so we can then concentrate is trading for a closer, that is, if one is still available when all the tumult and shouting dies over the Japanese ace.

[jacksonianmarch]

I am optomistic about this jsut because of how bad Matsuzaka wants to come here. Look compare it to Clint Dempsey the American soccer player now playing in the MLS. He doesnt care how much he makes if he goes to Europe he just wants to go play with the best in the world. He has stated that money is not an issue. Ok Matsuzaka is a differenent person but he sounds like he just wants to get into the Majors not matter what. When the English Premier League offered a transfer fee for Dempsey and the MLS rejected it Dempsey was pissed calling out the league and has stated that he will not sighn back with New England no matter what. Those of you who follow soccer know how bad this made the MLS look. The MLS is like Boras here' date=' if Boras f***s this up no Japanese player will ever higher him again. Just like how American and Latin players are starting to avoid the MLS and going straight to Europe. The deal is all on Matsuzaka [i']if he really wants to come here he will. [/i]No matter what he makes here it will be better then the $3 mill hes making in Japan too.

 

You had it right up to the point where you equated the MLS with Boras. If the sox dont get this done, the egg will be on their face much more than what it would be on the agent. The agent is there to get the best deal for the player, the right value. In today's market, Matsuzaka, as a FA would make 16-20 mil a season. At the same time, seeing as Matsuzaka has had his fate controlled since he was in diapers, having the sox have 6 yrs of control over him is unfair and should be something that Boras exclusively seeks unless they pay him handsomely for his 6 seasons. The sox showed their hand. You dont bid half a hundred mil on a guy then be afraid to offer him a ton of money. If the sox were not prepared to offer the big contract then someone else would have.

 

Overall, who would look worse?

The agent trying to get a player favorable deal.

Or the team that bid a major league record 51.1mil who is trying to save a buck now and have a company friendly contract.

 

Sorry, but the sox showed their hand with the 51.1 and if they arent willing to pony up the dough after spending 51 mil just to talk to Matsuzaka, then the egg is on them. It may hurt Boras, it may not. But if the sox dont close this, they will be significantly affected in the market that they so wanted to open up, and not in a good way.

[Teddyballgame10]

Jackson I see where you are coming from, but if the deal doesnt get done both the Red Sox and Boras will look bad. Matsuzakas number one priority right now is to play in the majors not money, if Boras cant get that done he has failed. Yes the Red Sox Front office will look bad to but so will Boras to all of Japan.

[Ray10]

This deal isn't going to be struck on Monday. It's going to be going down to the 11th hour on the Dec 14th deadline which is next Thursday so we will know if he's signing soon. I can't see why the Sox won't get this done though because Matsukaza wants to play in the majors and doesn't want to go back to Japan and the fact of what the Sox have done with J.D Drew I don't see why they can't work something out with Boras and Matsukaza this time.

[TheKilo]

A spokesman for Major League Baseball said the Sox’ 30-day window of opportunity to sign Japanese star Daisuke Matsuzaka will slam shut precisely at midnight (EST) on Thursday. At that point, a deal must be completed if he is to join the Sox and cannot be pending a physical examination or any other condition. What that means is a deal, in all likelihood, would have to be reached with Boras on Wednesday, allowing Matsuzaka sufficient time to fly to Boston for a physical.

 

http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view...rticleid=171208

[jacksonianmarch]

Jackson I see where you are coming from' date=' but if the deal doesnt get done both the Red Sox and Boras will look bad. Matsuzakas number one priority right now is to play in the majors not money, if Boras cant get that done he has failed. Yes the Red Sox Front office will look bad to but so will Boras to all of Japan.[/quote']

 

the agent will be long forgotten, but the team will not.

[TheKilo]

Negotiations between the Red Sox [team stats] and Japanese pitcher Daisuke Matsuzaka have essentially broken down, a source familiar with the talks said late last night, adding that unless there is an abrupt change of course, Matsuzaka will not be signing with the Red Sox before Thursday’s midnight deadline.

Attempts to reach Matsuzaka’s agent, Scott Boras, were unsuccessful last night. However, the well-placed source blamed Boras for stubbornly being unable to get over the flaws in the Japanese posting system, saying that he has been unwilling to negotiate and that he has acted disinterested in even making a deal.

 

Looks like I might be driving to Boston to kick Theo in the nuts. Although I still think he'll sign, I'm not as confident as I once was.

 

http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view.bg?articleid=171334&format=&page=1

[seabeachfred]

Looks like I might be driving to Boston to kick Theo in the nuts. Although I still think he'll sign, I'm not as confident as I once was.

 

http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view.bg?articleid=171334&format=&page=1

 

Boras wants to milk this for all he's worth and it does look like this is going down to the wire. It's getting to be a contest where someone is going to blink first but I cannot vision Matsuzaka heading back to Japan and toiling there for two more years. He would also lose face and the fact is his team does NOT want him back. They want that $51 million. I also think that if Daisuke doesn't sign the Japanese are going to be a little pissed off at Boras. Too bad we can't just shitcan all association with that guy. The White Sox will not do business with that guy. If anyone on that team signs with him they are soon out of Chicago and quick.:dunno: :dunno: :dunno: