Gagne talks with sox are heating up.

[Linda]

Yeah' date=' we have a lot going for us. Cleveland, TB, and teh Sox are the main teams fromw hat Ive heard of. In CLE, he won't be closer, in Boston he will, TB is TB, nuff said. So it depends on how hard Boras pushes for the money, or if a team out of nowhere coems up with the cash and an open closer's spot.[/quote']

 

Toronto has been pushing hard for him also, which is strange cause they have BJ Ryan.

[Ray10]

Toronto has been pushing hard for him also' date=' which is strange cause they have BJ Ryan.[/quote']

 

Gagne isn't going to Toronto for the simple fact that he wants to be a closer and that's not possible in Toronto. I think the Sox might be able to land Gagne for a decent price for next season then if he does regroup and have a good year I say sign him for maybe 2 + years when his contract runs out. Other than Gagne there isn't really manny options out there unless the Sox make a trade for a closer but they will prolly have to give up some good prospects and a good arm or solid bat in order to get a decent closer. I'd just go the Gagne route for now and see how it works out for the Sox.

[BSN07]

Dotel looks like he signing in KC....:dunno: Why everyone is headed there I can't tell. But it looks as tho Gagne is the last option FA wise. Hinske could be moved to PIT for Gonzalez or Torres, but they would have to send prospects too because they already turned down Laroche from ATL and hes a half decent player.

[TedWilliams101]

I'd say FA wise, sign Matsuzaka and Gagne. Gagne might be $6 million gareenteed, but i think its worth the risk. Matsuzaka is a must.

 

Other than that, we can trade to get bullpen depth and were looking good.

[Mr Crunchy]

gagnes pitched 20 innings in 2 years and has refused to show his stuff

back elbow and tommy john surgery??

6M and no one knows if he can break a pane of glass??

 

ya

its a risk

[jacksonianmarch]

gagnes pitched 20 innings in 2 years and has refused to show his stuff

back elbow and tommy john surgery??

6M and no one knows if he can break a pane of glass??

 

ya

its a risk

 

Boras announced to everyone early on that he was not interested in getting Gagne signed until february because that is when he could work out with teams and show he is fully healed. Last week he had a change of heart because he market was so good. Could he be insinuating something there? We all know Gagne is failing his physical, that is a given. So will the sox shell out 6-10 mil this season for a guy who will fail his physical but there is a hope and a prayer that he can return to dominance?

[redsoxrules]

Seems that they offerd a little more than 1 Mill.

 

This is from Rotoworld.

 

Eric Gagne rejected an offer from the Dodgers that would have guaranteed him about $4 million with a chance to make about $6 million more in incentives.

 

this from MLB.COM

http://losangeles.dodgers.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20061205&content_id=1751928&vkey=news_la&fext=.jsp&c_id=la

 

says here i mil

 

The Dodgers are believed to offer no more than $1 million guaranteed for Gagne

[jacksonianmarch]

well, gordon edes is reporting that the three finalists for Gagne are CLE, TEX, and BOS. He speculated that the big right hander will decide today, and it looks like the Guardians and rangers have the upper hand as both are rumored to have offered more guaranteed money.

[TheKilo]

well' date=' gordon edes is reporting that the three finalists for Gagne are CLE, TEX, and BOS. He speculated that the big right hander will decide today, and it looks like the Guardians and rangers have the upper hand as both are rumored to have offered more guaranteed money.[/quote']

 

If it was about the money, why would he only be looking for a one year deal? I think he wants to show he'es healthy, and then cash in next year.

 

Boston would give him the most exposure if healthy...of course if he isn't then it'll be a colossal failure.

 

Besides, if he wants to close Boston would be the best choice for him anyway.

[Fast Freddie]

Re porst on bosotn.com are that teh Sox aren't willing to go to 6 million gaurnteed. They're gunna wait n see what otehr teams offer.

 

Are you typing with your cock?

 

Haha, that was funny.

[YazsTripleCrown]

this from MLB.COM

http://losangeles.dodgers.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20061205&content_id=1751928&vkey=news_la&fext=.jsp&c_id=la

 

says here i mil

 

The Dodgers are believed to offer no more than $1 million guaranteed for Gagne

 

What does it really matter. His arm will fall off by June

[jacksonianmarch]

Edes is reporting that the sox are likely out of the Gagne bidding.

 

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2006/12/sox_not_likely.html

[JD Drew Luvs Julio Lugo]

Edes is reporting that the sox are likely out of the Gagne bidding.

 

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2006/12/sox_not_likely.html

 

They are better off really. When he does play, he probably will be locked in, which makes it even more frustrating when he is on the DL for most of the season.

[seabeachfred]

Edes is reporting that the sox are likely out of the Gagne bidding.

 

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2006/12/sox_not_likely.html

 

Jackson, Boros doesn't give a crap about what might be best for his clients; to him it is always money and he once hinted at that. If Texas is throwing around the cash it is going to be Texas. Remember, Tom Hicks once went $252 mil for A-Rod. I still say the Nationals are our best choice. They have Cordero and he's available from all reports. We give them a package consisting of WMP (who their GM likes) and maybe Delcarmen and another mid-level prospect. If we don't address this item soon we will be looking at that friggin' closer by committe BS that sunk us in 2003.

[TheKilo]

Jackson' date=' Boros doesn't give a crap about what might be best for his clients; to him it is always money and he once hinted at that. If Texas is throwing around the cash it is going to be Texas. Remember, Tom Hicks once went $252 mil for A-Rod. I still say the Nationals are our best choice. They have Cordero and he's available from all reports. We give them a package consisting of WMP (who their GM likes) and maybe Delcarmen and another mid-level prospect. If we don't address this item soon we will be looking at that friggin' closer by committe BS that sunk us in 2003.[/quote']

 

That's not gonna be enough to get Cordero. I'd rather keep WMP and Delcarmen.

[a700hitter]

That's not gonna be enough to get Cordero. I'd rather keep WMP and Delcarmen.

Not me.

[Cityofchampions33]

Not me.

 

I agree, essentially in that trade we're only giving up WMP as we gain an even better young pitcher, who's more likely to do better than DC.

[TheKilo]

I agree' date=' essentially in that trade we're only giving up WMP as we gain an even better young pitcher, who's more likely to do better than DC.[/quote']

 

It's a moot point as it is because WMP and Delcarmen will not fetch Cordero.

 

I'd be happy if it did, but the realization is it's going to take a combination of WMP/Crisp and our pitching prospects to get it done. That's a lot to invest in a closer who (a) pitches in the most spacious park in the MLB and ( is basically a Keith Foulke type closer with a low 90s fastball.

 

A guy like Huston Street you make that deal for (WMP + 2 B's/Ellsbury). I don't think you do for Cordero.

[seabeachfred]

That's not gonna be enough to get Cordero. I'd rather keep WMP and Delcarmen.

 

Kilo, I wouldn't. Pena isn't going to play unless someone gets hurt and even then will be a disaster in the outfield while Delcarmen got hammered just about every time he took the mount after the All Star Break. What whether you're right or I'm right we are going to need a pitcher who can end games. I don't want to go through what we saw in 2003 when we lost so many early season games because of that stupid and ineffective closer by committee fiasco. Who can we get and what will it cost us? We should have a decent enough package to deal as long as Ellsbury, Bucholz and Bard are not part of it.

[jacksonianmarch]

you keep forgetting that this kid is 24 frickin yrs old and is an ace closer. Yeah, go ahead and hang onto whiffin wily and that middle relief bombout prospect while the nats are perfectly content with their young closer winning the only games that they get a lead with.

[TheKilo]

you keep forgetting that this kid is 24 frickin yrs old and is an ace closer. Yeah' date=' go ahead and hang onto whiffin wily and that middle relief bombout prospect while the nats are perfectly content with their young closer winning the only games that they get a lead with.[/quote']

 

Wily Mo Pena and Manny Delcarmen will not net Chad Cordero.

Wily Mo Pena and Manny Delcarmen will not net Chad Cordero.

Wily Mo Pena and Manny Delcarmen will not net Chad Cordero.

Wily Mo Pena and Manny Delcarmen will not net Chad Cordero.

Wily Mo Pena and Manny Delcarmen will not net Chad Cordero.

Wily Mo Pena and Manny Delcarmen will not net Chad Cordero.

Wily Mo Pena and Manny Delcarmen will not net Chad Cordero.

Wily Mo Pena and Manny Delcarmen will not net Chad Cordero.

Wily Mo Pena and Manny Delcarmen will not net Chad Cordero.

Wily Mo Pena and Manny Delcarmen will not net Chad Cordero.

Wily Mo Pena and Manny Delcarmen will not net Chad Cordero.

Wily Mo Pena and Manny Delcarmen will not net Chad Cordero.

Wily Mo Pena and Manny Delcarmen will not net Chad Cordero.

Wily Mo Pena and Manny Delcarmen will not net Chad Cordero.

 

 

 

 

The Red Sox will not give up the B's or Ellsbury either, so this is a moot point, no?

[jacksonianmarch]

I am fully agreeing with you. I am just laughing at those who would rather hang onto those two if they were enough to get cordero.

[TheKilo]

I am fully agreeing with you. I am just laughing at those who would rather hang onto those two if they were enough to get cordero.

 

 

Gotcha.

[a700hitter]

WMP, DelCarmen and Hansen mightr do the trick.

[TheKilo]

WMP' date=' DelCarmen and Hansen mightr do the trick.[/quote']

 

 

If so, then you might have to pull the trigger.

 

I dunno though, I'd be wary of trading 3 players for an NL closer. He's great, but will his numbers translate?

[a700hitter]

Closer's don't usually face the opposing pitcher, so I don't know why the numbers wouldn't translate. The hitting talent gap between the AL and NL is not that great. The predominant reason for more runs in the AL is the DH. The NL has just as many young rising stars, maybe more than the AL. Let's not forget that the WS champion barely played .500 ball and they kicked the crap out of the AL Champ. The AL is not that much superior to the NL. It has a different style of play that produces more runs. That's about it.

[example1]

The "closer" postion is such a risky proposition. There are very few elite ones out there and its hard to know if CC is one that you give up multiple good prospects for.

[a700hitter]

The "closer" postion is such a risky proposition. There are very few elite ones out there and its hard to know if CC is one that you give up multiple good prospects for.

Cordero has had tremendous success at the ML level right out of college. MDC and Hansen will soon be no-prospects if they don't produce at the ML level. Frankly, I would be surprised if they become effective middle men.

[TheKilo]

Closer's don't usually face the opposing pitcher' date=' so I don't know why the numbers wouldn't translate. The hitting talent gap between the AL and NL is not that great. The predominant reason for more runs in the AL is the DH. The NL has just as many young rising stars, maybe more than the AL. Let's not forget that the WS champion barely played .500 ball and they kicked the crap out of the AL Champ. The AL is not that much superior to the NL. It has a different style of play that produces more runs. That's about it.[/quote']

 

 

Fair point, but how much does the ballpark come into play?

 

Plus, it wasn't Cordero that pitched in the WS. The AL East is an awesome offensive division. I just have my doubts that Cordero is worth THAT much.

 

Huston Street yes. Zumaya yes. Cordero? Ehhhh...

[a700hitter]

Fair point, but how much does the ballpark come into play?

 

Plus, it wasn't Cordero that pitched in the WS. The AL East is an awesome offensive division. I just have my doubts that Cordero is worth THAT much.

 

Huston Street yes. Zumaya yes. Cordero? Ehhhh...

Are the closers in the AL East other than Mo so much better than Cordero? I don't think so.