Dontrelle to Yanks?

[jacksonianmarch]

2-2, yup, he sucks against the sox.

[redsoxrules]

2-2' date=' yup, he sucks against the sox.[/quote']

 

dont forget that 5.25 era , 1.76WHIP, and the high opponants bating average or 325 shall i go on ????

[TheKilo]

2-2' date=' yup, he sucks against the sox.[/quote']

 

 

 

ATTN: WINS ARE NOT A GOOD MEASURE OF A PITCHER'S WORTH.

[Gom]

New rumor on the WFAN.

 

The Yankees have offered Melky, Humberto Sanchez, and Duncan for Willis. The rumor also said that the Yankees may include Proctor instead of Sanchez or Duncan.

 

If this is true...wow...may really twist the Marlins.

[jacksonianmarch]

New rumor on the WFAN.

 

The Yankees have offered Melky, Humberto Sanchez, and Duncan for Willis. The rumor also said that the Yankees may include Proctor instead of Sanchez or Duncan.

 

If this is true...wow...may really twist the Marlins.

 

I would absolutely include Proctor over Sanchez. Proctor is one yr removed from an insane workload and is an injury just waiting to happen. Plus, Proctor is no spring chicken at 30yrs old. Sanchez is a guy I would not trade right now. Absolutely NOT. The guy was one of the best pitching prospects in all of baseball last yr until he hurt his arm. His injury is considered to be healed at this point. There was a ton of speculation about the tigers bringing him up last yr as a sept callup with the possibility of carrying him in the postseason. If the pitching loaded Tigers loved the kid this much to consider putting him in the pen for the playoffs after pitching zero MLB innings, then i think he has something to show. Right now, dealing him would be selling low. To tell you how high I am on this guy and how high a lot of scouts are on this guy, there is some discussion as to which player will make the majors first, Hughes or Sanchez. That is how good this kid is. If the marlins would accept a deal of Proctor, Melky, and Duncan, then the yankees should accept before the marlins see how far their s*** is getting pushed in.

[Cocos Disciples]

I will change my sig and avatar to something of Gom's choice if the Yankees get Willis.

 

And it will be permanent.

[jacksonianmarch]

I will change my sig and avatar to something of Gom's choice if the Yankees get Willis.

 

And it will be permanent.

 

that would be funny as hell

[Gom]

I wonder if the Marlins would do all four. Proctor, Sanchez, Melky, and Duncan.

 

I love the deal from the Yanks standpoint...but it was on a NY sports radio station.

[schillingouttheks]

Try including Hughes with Sanchez and maybe the Marlins will consider it.

[Gom]

The Yankees won't include both Sanchez and Hughes. Shillingouttheks...if you were the Marlins...would you trade Willis for Melky, Proctor, Sanchez, and Duncan? I'm biased, I would make the trade for the Yankees. I think if Sanchez and Duncan live up to the hype, this is a great deal for the Marlins.

 

What would you do if you were the Marlins GM?

[Cocos Disciples]

I wouldn't do it if I were the Marlins. I'd feel like if I wanted to deal Dontrelle I could get Milledge.

[ARod2212]

Try including Hughes with Sanchez and maybe the Marlins will consider it.

Florida would deal Willis for just those two players in a heartbeat. That would be an extraordinarily stupid move by the Yankees. As a general rule I don't trade young, quality (potential superstar) pitching unless absolutely necessary.

 

I dislike moving Proctor because of how important he is to the bullpen, and I love Melky because he is the perfect 4th outfielder to fill in due to an injury. It's a gamble, but if it lands Willis I'm not totally against it.

[Gom]

I wouldn't do it if I were the Marlins. I'd feel like if I wanted to deal Dontrelle I could get Milledge.

 

So if you were the Marlins, you would rather take Milledge instead of the package I proposed? Don't forget, Willis will stay in your division.

 

Interesting.

[Cocos Disciples]

I would not do Milledge for Willis straight up, but Milledge would have to be included.

 

You do bring up a good point about the division...if all things were equal, the Marlins would rather deal Willis to the Yanks than Mets.

[ORS]

So if you were the Marlins, you would rather take Milledge instead of the package I proposed? Don't forget, Willis will stay in your division.

 

Interesting.

I don't think FLA gives the division a thought when making trades. They certainly didn't last year when they traded both Lo Duca and Delgado to the Mets. Their decision will most likely be determined by the talent offered and that alone.

[Gom]

I don't think FLA gives the division a thought when making trades. They certainly didn't last year when they traded both Lo Duca and Delgado to the Mets. Their decision will most likely be determined by the talent offered and that alone.

 

Good point. So if you were the Marlins GM, would you pull the trigger on the trade rumor I heard on WFAN? Why or why not?

[kreinbihl34]

I would take Willis is a heartbeat. It justs seems to me he's someone who would win at all costs. I mean it is hard playing for a team who has very little fan support.

[ORS]

I would do it if it were the only package available, but I'd shop real hard first.

 

Those are 3 decent young players, with Duncan being the nothing special add-on. None of them scream star though. If I'm the Marlins, I hold out for less players, but more ceiling.

[jacksonianmarch]

not sure who will want to trump that offer though. The Mutts and DBacks are interested, but if Mulder goes to ARI, then that leaves the mets as the only team rumored to make a strong push. Consider also that the mets are likely to sign Zito and you get rid of their interest as well. The Marlins do not need to deal Willis, but they do want to keep payroll down and Willis is certainly due a huge payday. The Marlins also have some of the best talent developers in the game if you see how many top notch players have gone through that organization. If you can get a power corner IF, a top 5 pitching prospect, a switch hitting CFer coming off a solid rookie yr, and a reliever who had a nasty 100IP+ season and I am not sure if any team could beat that unless they deal from their MLB talent.

[ORS]

If you can get a power corner IF' date=' a top 5 pitching prospect, a switch hitting CFer coming off a solid rookie yr, and a reliever who had a nasty 100IP+ season and I am not sure if any team could beat that unless they deal from their MLB talent.[/quote']

Absolutely right. Now how does this apply to Duncan, Sanchez, Melky, and Proctor?

 

Duncan looks like a guy that has serious trouble adapting to higher levels. Melky is not a CF. Sanchez has some promise to him. Proctor is the best fit for the Marlins of the package, but when does it make sense to trade a very good SP for a good setup-man?

[Cocos Disciples]

Yeah...I don't see a Top 5 pitching prospect anywhere there...that'd have to be Hughes...Sanchez is Top 40.

[ARod2212]

I don't think FLA gives the division a thought when making trades. They certainly didn't last year when they traded both Lo Duca and Delgado to the Mets. Their decision will most likely be determined by the talent offered and that alone.

When its Delgado and LoDuca, they're short term players. Florida isn't looking to compete this year, so sending a couple of old guys to a divison rival isn't too bad. But when you're talking about trading a young star pitcher, you want to keep those far away from you. They're looking at facing Delgado for three years, but could look at facing Willis for a decade. That'll play into their decision.

[ORS]

When its Delgado and LoDuca' date=' they're short term players. Florida isn't looking to compete this year, so sending a couple of old guys to a divison rival isn't too bad. But when you're talking about trading a young star pitcher, you want to keep those far away from you. They're looking at facing Delgado for three years, but could look at facing Willis for a decade. That'll play into their decision.[/quote']

Makes sense. For some reason though, I doubt it matters. Given their actions, I don't see W/L implications being a cornerstone of their management. They just fired the NL Manager of the year who had them in the hunt late in the season over some petty BS. If the Mets package looks better by one projected win share, then that is who will get Dontrelle, IMO.

[TheKilo]

Florida would deal Willis for just those two players in a heartbeat. That would be an extraordinarily stupid move by the Yankees. As a general rule I don't trade young, quality (potential superstar) pitching unless absolutely necessary.

 

I dislike moving Proctor because of how important he is to the bullpen, and I love Melky because he is the perfect 4th outfielder to fill in due to an injury. It's a gamble, but if it lands Willis I'm not totally against it.

 

 

 

But you're banking on the fact that Hughes becomes something similar to what Willis already is.

[ARod2212]

Makes sense. For some reason though' date=' I doubt it matters. Given their actions, I don't see W/L implications being a cornerstone of their management. They just fired the NL Manager of the year who had them in the hunt late in the season over some petty BS. If the Mets package looks better by one projected win share, then that is who will get Dontrelle, IMO.[/quote']

I won't put it past them, they have a wacky franchise. If the packages are comparable I'm sure they'd prefer to move him out of the NL East.

But you're banking on the fact that Hughes becomes something similar to what Willis already is.

I understand that, but if they want to move Willis those are the kinds of risks they are going to take. They aren't going to move Willis for a proven veteran, they're going to move him for young, cheap players.

[example1]

Is there any actual substance to this discussion? To be competitive, Florida needs young effective players who don't cost a lot of money. Willis is those things, so why would they move him? If they were to move him why would the Yankees be the best team?

[Gom]

Is there any actual substance to this discussion? To be competitive' date=' Florida needs young effective players who don't cost a lot of money. Willis is those things, so why would they move him? If they were to move him why would the Yankees be the best team?[/quote']

 

Well, the thing is that Willis is due for a big raise after next season, so they are looking to get rid of him due to payroll constraints.

 

It's not moving him to which team per se, it's just who is willing to offer the best package.

[example1]

Well, the thing is that Willis is due for a big raise after next season, so they are looking to get rid of him due to payroll constraints.

 

It's not moving him to which team per se, it's just who is willing to offer the best package.

 

They will keep him for at least one more season if he has 2 seasons left, especially since those teams would likely be willing to part with the same amount next year at this time for his services, yet all of those players would have played an extra season and incurred added risk with ANOTHER team, not their own.

[Gom]

They will keep him for at least one more season if he has 2 seasons left' date=' especially since those teams would likely be willing to part with the same amount next year at this time for his services, yet all of those players would have played an extra season and incurred added risk with ANOTHER team, not their own.[/quote']

 

The logic seems to be faulty. What if Dontrelle gets injured? Also, lets say Sanchez becomes a good pitcher...less likely to get traded. There are risks either way.

 

It's a double-edged sword.

[ARod2212]

They will keep him for at least one more season if he has 2 seasons left' date=' especially since those teams would likely be willing to part with the same amount next year at this time for his services, yet all of those players would have played an extra season and incurred added risk with ANOTHER team, not their own.[/quote']

Or they think his value has peaked and this is the time to get the best package for him.