Red Sox closing in on JD Drew

[Gom]

You know what's funny? The fact that you guys adore Theo Epstein. Yeah, I know, he helped end your curse, congrats, it only took 86 years, blah blah blah.

 

When he was asked about how he didn't go for Abreu, he responded "We can't operate like the Yankees". What was it, 17 million per for 2 years? So it's what, 23-24 million for the one year, two months of baseball?

 

Then he goes out and posts for Matsuzaka a total of 51.1 million, has to sign him, closing on Drew for more than what Drew opted out for [3 years, 33 million was what he had with the Dodgers]. It's not like he posted for Matsuzaka AFTER all these insane signings happened. Matsuzaka was first on the list. I find it very hard to believe that the Red Sox financial picture/model/strategy changed that quickly from the trade deadline to now. In other words, he is insanely full of s***. Not only that, but the guy doesn't know how to make a trade. He trades Arroyo for WMP, which was probably the most lopsided trade in the last two or three years in baseball that wasn't a salary dump [and even more lopsided than most salary dumps], He got rid of Meredith, who would currently be the closer on your team after the year he had in SD for Mirabelli, who couldn't even hit .200, and I won't even re-hash the Beckett disaster [i don't buy this "he resigned" s***. He was still in the operations side, I am willing to bet].

 

You guys actually like this guy? Why the hell aren't you guys talking about getting rid of this guy? If he was in New York...well, he wouldn't be now. The guy is an idiot.

[Cocos Disciples]

We apologize for him for not living up to your standards.

Maybe not everything he says to the f***ing media is true? Maybe he knew the team was tanking, and Bobby Abreu wasn't going to help them out. Maybe they couldn't strike a deal and needed an excuse other than, "We got beat by the Yankees again."

 

The guy is trying to win a championship. He's gonna be held up by some promises he made to a curly haired man.

[a700hitter]

You know what's funny? The fact that you guys adore Theo Epstein. Yeah, I know, he helped end your curse, congrats, it only took 86 years, blah blah blah.

 

When he was asked about how he didn't go for Abreu, he responded "We can't operate like the Yankees". What was it, 17 million per for 2 years? So it's what, 23-24 million for the one year, two months of baseball?

 

Then he goes out and posts for Matsuzaka a total of 51.1 million, has to sign him, closing on Drew for more than what Drew opted out for [3 years, 33 million was what he had with the Dodgers]. It's not like he posted for Matsuzaka AFTER all these insane signings happened. Matsuzaka was first on the list. I find it very hard to believe that the Red Sox financial picture/model/strategy changed that quickly from the trade deadline to now. In other words, he is insanely full of s***. Not only that, but the guy doesn't know how to make a trade. He trades Arroyo for WMP, which was probably the most lopsided trade in the last two or three years in baseball that wasn't a salary dump [and even more lopsided than most salary dumps], He got rid of Meredith, who would currently be the closer on your team after the year he had in SD for Mirabelli, who couldn't even hit .200, and I won't even re-hash the Beckett disaster [i don't buy this "he resigned" s***. He was still in the operations side, I am willing to bet].

 

You guys actually like this guy? Why the hell aren't you guys talking about getting rid of this guy? If he was in New York...well, he wouldn't be now. The guy is an idiot.

I like the guy, but he is at a cross-roads in 2007. Another 3rd place finish and he's history, but we'll still like him.

[TheKilo]

...and if he plays 115 games?

 

 

 

...he's been healthy lately?

 

That's like saying "what if Manny plays 115 games" or "waht of ortiz plays 115 games"

 

There's always a risk of injury. But there's a difference between getting injured by a hit by pitch or getting injured by not taking care of yourself.

[TheKilo]

You know what's funny? The fact that you guys adore Theo Epstein. Yeah, I know, he helped end your curse, congrats, it only took 86 years, blah blah blah.

 

When he was asked about how he didn't go for Abreu, he responded "We can't operate like the Yankees". What was it, 17 million per for 2 years? So it's what, 23-24 million for the one year, two months of baseball?

 

Then he goes out and posts for Matsuzaka a total of 51.1 million, has to sign him, closing on Drew for more than what Drew opted out for [3 years, 33 million was what he had with the Dodgers]. It's not like he posted for Matsuzaka AFTER all these insane signings happened. Matsuzaka was first on the list. I find it very hard to believe that the Red Sox financial picture/model/strategy changed that quickly from the trade deadline to now. In other words, he is insanely full of s***. Not only that, but the guy doesn't know how to make a trade. He trades Arroyo for WMP, which was probably the most lopsided trade in the last two or three years in baseball that wasn't a salary dump [and even more lopsided than most salary dumps], He got rid of Meredith, who would currently be the closer on your team after the year he had in SD for Mirabelli, who couldn't even hit .200, and I won't even re-hash the Beckett disaster [i don't buy this "he resigned" s***. He was still in the operations side, I am willing to bet].

 

You guys actually like this guy? Why the hell aren't you guys talking about getting rid of this guy? If he was in New York...well, he wouldn't be now. The guy is an idiot.

 

 

How do you not see you're a troll with posts like that? All you're trying to do is incite a negative reaction and start an argument.

 

I'd rather have a GM who adapts to the market than one who stays put in a strategy. How's Brian Cashman done spending $200 million a year lately?

[Papelbon58]

You know what's funny? The fact that you guys adore Theo Epstein. Yeah, I know, he helped end your curse, congrats, it only took 86 years, blah blah blah.

 

When he was asked about how he didn't go for Abreu, he responded "We can't operate like the Yankees". What was it, 17 million per for 2 years? So it's what, 23-24 million for the one year, two months of baseball?

 

Then he goes out and posts for Matsuzaka a total of 51.1 million, has to sign him, closing on Drew for more than what Drew opted out for [3 years, 33 million was what he had with the Dodgers]. It's not like he posted for Matsuzaka AFTER all these insane signings happened. Matsuzaka was first on the list. I find it very hard to believe that the Red Sox financial picture/model/strategy changed that quickly from the trade deadline to now. In other words, he is insanely full of s***. Not only that, but the guy doesn't know how to make a trade. He trades Arroyo for WMP, which was probably the most lopsided trade in the last two or three years in baseball that wasn't a salary dump [and even more lopsided than most salary dumps], He got rid of Meredith, who would currently be the closer on your team after the year he had in SD for Mirabelli, who couldn't even hit .200, and I won't even re-hash the Beckett disaster [i don't buy this "he resigned" s***. He was still in the operations side, I am willing to bet].

 

You guys actually like this guy? Why the hell aren't you guys talking about getting rid of this guy? If he was in New York...well, he wouldn't be now. The guy is an idiot.

 

I think he has won one more championship than Brian Cashman in the last 5 years. The Yankees have won no WS champs in Epstein's tenure. Be quiet.

[ORS]

You know what's funny? The fact that you guys adore Theo Epstein. Yeah, I know, he helped end your curse, congrats, it only took 86 years, blah blah blah.

 

When he was asked about how he didn't go for Abreu, he responded "We can't operate like the Yankees". What was it, 17 million per for 2 years? So it's what, 23-24 million for the one year, two months of baseball?

 

Then he goes out and posts for Matsuzaka a total of 51.1 million, has to sign him, closing on Drew for more than what Drew opted out for [3 years, 33 million was what he had with the Dodgers]. It's not like he posted for Matsuzaka AFTER all these insane signings happened. Matsuzaka was first on the list. I find it very hard to believe that the Red Sox financial picture/model/strategy changed that quickly from the trade deadline to now. In other words, he is insanely full of s***. Not only that, but the guy doesn't know how to make a trade. He trades Arroyo for WMP, which was probably the most lopsided trade in the last two or three years in baseball that wasn't a salary dump [and even more lopsided than most salary dumps], He got rid of Meredith, who would currently be the closer on your team after the year he had in SD for Mirabelli, who couldn't even hit .200, and I won't even re-hash the Beckett disaster [i don't buy this "he resigned" s***. He was still in the operations side, I am willing to bet].

 

You guys actually like this guy? Why the hell aren't you guys talking about getting rid of this guy? If he was in New York...well, he wouldn't be now. The guy is an idiot.

This was really on topic. Grow up, master-baiter.

 

This type of behavior in the real world, not the internet, means you leave the room with less teeth in your mouth and more in your stomach. Stop being a pussy and saying s*** you know is only meant to piss people off when you can hide behind the safety of your computer screen.

[example1]

You know what's funny? The fact that you guys adore Theo Epstein. Yeah, I know, he helped end your curse, congrats, it only took 86 years, blah blah blah.

 

When he was asked about how he didn't go for Abreu, he responded "We can't operate like the Yankees". What was it, 17 million per for 2 years? So it's what, 23-24 million for the one year, two months of baseball?

 

Then he goes out and posts for Matsuzaka a total of 51.1 million, has to sign him, closing on Drew for more than what Drew opted out for [3 years, 33 million was what he had with the Dodgers]. It's not like he posted for Matsuzaka AFTER all these insane signings happened. Matsuzaka was first on the list. I find it very hard to believe that the Red Sox financial picture/model/strategy changed that quickly from the trade deadline to now. In other words, he is insanely full of s***. Not only that, but the guy doesn't know how to make a trade. He trades Arroyo for WMP, which was probably the most lopsided trade in the last two or three years in baseball that wasn't a salary dump [and even more lopsided than most salary dumps], He got rid of Meredith, who would currently be the closer on your team after the year he had in SD for Mirabelli, who couldn't even hit .200, and I won't even re-hash the Beckett disaster [i don't buy this "he resigned" s***. He was still in the operations side, I am willing to bet].

 

You guys actually like this guy? Why the hell aren't you guys talking about getting rid of this guy? If he was in New York...well, he wouldn't be now. The guy is an idiot.

 

Please stick to the topic. You should make a Theo Epstein sucks thread and watch how many people agree with you there.

 

At least use the forum correctly if you're going to post s*** like this man.

[a700hitter]

I think he has won one more championship than Brian Cashman in the last 5 years. The Yankees have won no WS champs in Epstein's tenure. Be quiet.

one more in the last six years.

[Beckett95]

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6213476

 

sox get even closer to sign Drew

 

and theres more info on manny possibly being traded

[Gom]

What I'm trying to say is that your Front Office, and I am lumping them all together under the moniker Theo Epstein is full of s***. If you guys don't see that, the joke's on you. The fact that you defend him shows how little you know about your own team.

 

I can't wait for you guys to trade Manny for spare parts, have Matsuzaka bomb out circa Irabu, and battle out with the Orioles for third place. That's what you guys are facing if you don't get rid of this guy. On second thought, as a Yankee fan, keep him. I'm not a huge advocate of Cashman, but at least I can rip on him and Torre [especially]. It's like if anyone rips on your front office who isn't a Red Sox fan is a troll. What a bunch of idiots.

 

I can't wait to hear how the Yankees pick up a guy at the trade deadline, and then hear the Sox FO complain that they can't spend money. The hysterical thing is that you guys buy it.

 

So let me see..if the Yankees spaced out their four World Series victories in the last 11 years instead of bunching them up, what would you guys say? The truth is, like you guys have seen the last time you were in the playoffs and got swept by the other Sox...the playoffs is a crapshoot. The whole trick is getting there and hoping for the best. Right...you all predicted a Cardinals victory over the Tigers. Sure you did. Now go take your meds.

 

200 million buys us a playoff spot. 125 million buys you third place. Who spent their money more wisely?

[schillingouttheks]

What I'm trying to say is that your Front Office, and I am lumping them all together under the moniker Theo Epstein is full of s***. If you guys don't see that, the joke's on you. The fact that you defend him shows how little you know about your own team.

 

I can't wait for you guys to trade Manny for spare parts, have Matsuzaka bomb out circa Irabu, and battle out with the Orioles for third place. That's what you guys are facing if you don't get rid of this guy. On second thought, as a Yankee fan, keep him. I'm not a huge advocate of Cashman, but at least I can rip on him and Torre [especially]. It's like if anyone rips on your front office who isn't a Red Sox fan is a troll. What a bunch of idiots.

 

I can't wait to hear how the Yankees pick up a guy at the trade deadline, and then hear the Sox FO complain that they can't spend money. The hysterical thing is that you guys buy it.

 

So let me see..if the Yankees spaced out their four World Series victories in the last 11 years instead of bunching them up, what would you guys say? The truth is, like you guys have seen the last time you were in the playoffs and got swept by the other Sox...the playoffs is a crapshoot. The whole trick is getting there and hoping for the best. Right...you all predicted a Cardinals victory over the Tigers. Sure you did. Now go take your meds.

 

This was your original post. But, you felt SO inclined to throw this in there at the end:

 

200 million buys us a playoff spot. 125 million buys you third place. Who spent their money more wisely?

 

I'm sure no one predicted that the Tigers pitchers would be throwing balls all over the f***ing field. The Tigers lost it. The Cardinals didn't win it. Whatever, though. I still feel inclined to ask who has spent their money more wisely since 2001, but that's just me. I will say though, that $125 million also came with an abundance of unexpected injuries which ruined the season. Though, I will say, Theo's abstinance at the deadline killed us as well. We were in first for about 75% of the season, mind you.

 

Anyway, last season I was pretty critical of Theo, starting with Damon. I was disgusted with 2006 (except the Beckett and Wily Mo Pena trades) and I expect much, much more from Theo. Flex financial muscles. Chop off Steinbrenner's head. Do SOMETHING to help the Red Sox win. Just don't stand pat like July 31st, 2006. Personally, Theo will be on my s*** list if he does not turn this team into a serious contender by 2008. I'll give him one more year to put it together, but after that, I want serious contention. Sure, I like him for the ballsy Nomar trade and 2004 and such, but until he makes a serious competitor out of the Sox ON HIS OWN (he won't have Duquette's acquisitions soon enough...), I'm not buying into his philosophy.

 

I know 700 and I shared similar views during the season. We ranted together about Theo's blunders. But, that's just us. I guess your inquiry, Gom, is less addressed to me considering I don't place Theo on a "godly" platform in the least.

[TheKilo]

$200 million for a first round playoff shellacking? Hot damn.

[a700hitter]

Right...you all predicted a Cardinals victory over the Tigers. Sure you did. Now go take your meds.

It was only due to the egocentricity of the Yankee fans including those in the press that exalted the Tigers going into the WS. They felt that they were going to stomp the Cards, because they so thoroughly dominated the great Yankees. The fact is that the Tigers weren't that good, and they were exposed in the WS. An experienced and talented playoff team that got its veterans back and healthy for the post-season beat an inexperienced Tiger teams with some nice young arms and several flaws. It wasn't a major upset. The Tigers beating the Yankees in 4 games and shutting down their offense was a huge upset. It was another collective choke job by the Yankees.

[ORS]

What I'm trying to say is that your Front Office' date=' and I am lumping them all together under the moniker Theo Epstein is full of s***. If you guys don't see that, the joke's on you. The fact that you defend him shows how little you know about your own team. [/quote']

Right, but you can't back it up. You tried with your Forbes article, but it was pointed out by many that your analysis was shortsighted, so you resorted to name calling.

 

That said, I don't see where you calling them idiots meant you were saying they are full of s***. Stop back pedalling. Your post was off point and devoid of analysis. It was petty mud slinging and name calling, what has become the norm from you. That is why your post is trollish. You can rip the FO, but when you do it with petty names and mockery, then you are just trying to piss people off. Look around the threads, that type of stuff tends to upset people. But, I suspect you know that.

 

Quit acting like a little kid. If you come with an opinion, but the facts don't support it, then dump the opinion. Instead, you just ignore any relevant information that doesn't support what you think and start calling people names, or, even worse, start ridiculing people for using news articles for support when, in the begining, a news article is what you used to start discussion.

[riverside sluggers]

The Boston Herald is reporting that the contract could very well be 5 years/$75 million. The deal could be held up right now because of a physical Drew has to take

[Gom]

Right, but you can't back it up. You tried with your Forbes article, but it was pointed out by many that your analysis was shortsighted, so you resorted to name calling.

 

That said, I don't see where you calling them idiots meant you were saying they are full of s***. Stop back pedalling. Your post was off point and devoid of analysis. It was petty mud slinging and name calling, what has become the norm from you. That is why your post is trollish. You can rip the FO, but when you do it with petty names and mockery, then you are just trying to piss people off. Look around the threads, that type of stuff tends to upset people. But, I suspect you know that.

 

Quit acting like a little kid. If you come with an opinion, but the facts don't support it, then dump the opinion. Instead, you just ignore any relevant information that doesn't support what you think and start calling people names, or, even worse, start ridiculing people for using news articles for support when, in the begining, a news article is what you used to start discussion.

 

Since you bring it up again...lets see...I back it up with some documented source, and you state your OPINION and pass it off as fact. You make your statements, and I tell you to simply look around, the Sox have been one of the big spenders, and will actually become bigger spenders when they sign Drew and Matsuzaka. You can live in your fantasy world if it makes you feel better ORS. The Sox don't want to go over the LT threshold. Do you think that if the luxury tax was 180 million, the Sox would stay at 120 million? If you do, there is a bridge I can sell you in Brooklyn. They would end up at about 176-178 million. They choose not to go over the limit. CHOICE. Not means. Choice. If you want to re-open this again, I will, but everyone knows how that went, so you are just making yourself look foolish, eEspecially with all the money the Sox are throwing around. It's amazing you still can't see what's right in front of you. They choose not to, not because they can't.

 

I just wish, and Schillingouttheks has pretty much been the only one, to say "Hey...maybe Epstein isn't what he is cracked up to be...just because he isn't Duquette, doesn't mean he's good".

 

Here is an example from my own team. The best baseball person in the Yankees organization is Gene Michael. Bar none. Cashman and Epstein together on their best days don't match up to this guy [i'm not sure who the Sox guy is who's the man, maybe Bill James]. It's just that he isn't good at office politics. This guy was instrumental in putting the Yankees together in the mid-late 90's, changed the whole Yankee philosophy while Steinbrenner was banned, etc. Kept Williams instead of doing what George wanted [trading him for Harold Baines], it was pretty much on his watch that Mo, Pettite, Jeter, Posada came up, worked the O'Neill trade for Roberto Kelly...it's a shame he isn't the GM still of the Yankees.

 

I said it then, I'll say it again now. When the Yankees had a chance at Pedro instead of Pavano, I said go for Pedro. True, Pedro may be done, but I think that the Yankees very much could have won another World Series with Pedro. Pavano has to be one of the worst signings in the last 20 years for any team.

 

In the same duration, I give Cashman a C-. With the resources he had, he should have done better. Instead, the pitching staff has gotten older and more broken down, I disagree with the Mussina signing, since 2-3 million more you could get Zito who is younger, better, and will be something 5 years from now. Signing Wright and Pavano have been disasters, I thought he should have kept Lieber instead of letting him go and getting Wrignt, and should have signed Pedro instead of Crash Test Dummy Pavano. He gets saved by bringing up Cano and Melky an not trading them, and achieving the best record in baseball last season.

 

The Yankees have cut payroll and not adressed any needs. If Cashman is really as good as some think he is, he will keep the payroll pretty much where it is, and start rebuilding his farm system, which will automatically cut payroll some more. However, putting an inferior team to last year's team, on paper, is not really acceptable.

[ORS]

Since you bring it up again...lets see...I back it up with some documented source' date=' and you state your OPINION and pass it off as fact. You make your statements, and I tell you to simply look around, the Sox have been one of the big spenders, and will actually become bigger spenders when they sign Drew and Matsuzaka. You can live in your fantasy world if it makes you feel better ORS. The Sox don't want to go over the LT threshold. Do you think that if the luxury tax was 180 million, the Sox would stay at 120 million? If you do, there is a bridge I can sell you in Brooklyn. They would end up at about 176-178 million. They choose not to go over the limit. CHOICE. Not means. Choice. If you want to re-open this again, I will, but everyone knows how that went, so you are just making yourself look foolish, eEspecially with all the money the Sox are throwing around. It's amazing you still can't see what's right in front of you. They choose not to, not because they can't.[/quote']

Gom, this will be my last post on the topic.

 

What's laughable is your insistence that you were the only one to provide supporting material. I accepted the Forbes article you showed, but pointed out it neglected to account for the most significant revenue sources, the team owned TV networks. You were the one that CHOSE to ignore the article I referenced. Looks like you need to rethink your assignation of blame in that regard.

 

Yes, they do chose to stay under the LT. But, there's a reason for that. They cannot afford to pay players at 140% of their contract. It is a choice predicated by fanancial capability.

 

You think the $51M is your proof? It's anecdotal at best. Consider this, why don't they spend that much over their payroll every year? The Yankees pay ~$35M over their payroll in LT payments every year. The Sox saved coin in some non-moves and stayed under the LT in order to fund this posting, which is a one-time fee, not annual. If they had the Yankees revenues, they wouldn't have had to make those sacrafices.

 

Continue to pat yourself on the back, Gom. The posts speak for themselves.

[rician blast]

The Sox saved coin in some non-moves and stayed under the LT in order to fund this posting' date=' which is a one-time fee, not annual. [/quote']

 

True...and I would argue that any potential trade of Manny reflects the same desire to keep payroll at a certain level. I mean, really...does an OF of WMP, Crisp and Drew look good to anyone? Acceptance of that OF by the FO, to me, says one of several things:

 

(1) its an effort to keep payroll down to a "reasonable" (per the FO) level

or

(2) or an indication that something huge is going on that will produce another bat in the line-up, because with that OF, the line-up is weak

or

(3) the FO is not "going for it" in 2007.

[eZ_d0eS_iT]

i can tell you as a dodgerfan, him opting out was the BEST X-MAS present EVER!!! never in our wildest dreams could we have imagined nancy-boy exercising his escape claus. the only thing that breaks my heart is news that he'll be joining the sox soon. wait...so let me get this straight...you are willing to trade manny and take jd-made-of-glass-drew and his strikeout pose!?!? ned...is that you secretly running the red sox front office??? or did maybe depodesta's laptop convince you all this is a better lineup?

[edge4414]

i can tell you as a dodgerfan' date=' him opting out was the BEST X-MAS present EVER!!! never in our wildest dreams could we have imagined nancy-boy exercising his escape claus. the only thing that breaks my heart is news that he'll be joining the sox soon. wait...so let me get this straight...you are willing to trade manny and take jd-made-of-glass-drew and his strikeout pose!?!? ned...is that you secretly running the red sox front office??? or did maybe depodesta's laptop convince you all this is a better lineup? [/quote']

 

The assertion that we are trading Manny for Drew is ridiculous. We are losing Nixon for Drew. Trot is one of my favorites but if you think Drew is injury prone check out Trot the last few years. And Trot's injuries are the recurring type where I don't believe Drew's are.

[Mr Crunchy]

if youre comparing drew to nixon be fair and use the 15M a year it will cost to land this guy as opposed to what nixon would cost

 

dl drew

nancy drew

drew barrymore

 

i was on the record as saying i wanted him last week

i was wrong

i didnt like it at 45M for 4 years and i sure as hell dont like it now

f*** drew

keep manny

 

this has f*** up written all over it

[BSN07]

I have a feeling Manny might have played his last game in a Sox uniform. Of course he can Veto any trade, but his value is as high as it's gonna be. If we get enough back for him, expect some of it to be used to bring in a big bat to hit behind Papi. Possibly A. JOnes if he will sign a contract extension.

[edge4414]

if youre comparing drew to nixon be fair and use the 15M a year it will cost to land this guy as opposed to what nixon would cost

 

dl drew

nancy drew

drew barrymore

 

i was on the record as saying i wanted him last week

i was wrong

i didnt like it at 45M for 4 years and i sure as hell dont like it now

f*** drew

keep manny

 

this has f*** up written all over it

 

Trot is one of my all time favorites but do you wonder why he has had no action at all in this market and 4 or 5 teams were in on Drew. It is sad to see what injuries have done to him.

As far as Manny goes I don't see the connection. They are signing Drew whether they trade Manny or not. Great Hitter but he quit on the team this year. Did you see "Hot Stove " this week or was it Red Sox this week. Lorretta and Ortiz spoke on Manny. Lorretta was open that the clubhouse was questioning whether Manny was hurt enough not to play this year and Ortiz who usually defends Manny was very quiet and evasive. He backed off the need to have Manny behind him.

What you and I and all the posters think doesn't matter but what his teammates say matter a great deal.

[eZ_d0eS_iT]

JD's 5 tools

 

 

1. The leagues best strikeout pose.

 

2. The ability to turn routine pop-ups into doubles.

 

3. He has the best Mis-Season Houdini impression.

 

4. Base running skills that rivals Christopher Reeve horse jumping skills

 

5. Can easily be out smarted by a bag of baseball.

 

 

 

The crazy thing is, there is no way Boras would have let him opt out unless he has a bigger and better deal lined up for the stiff. Who ever signs him is going to be paying about 3-5 million more a year for 4-5 years. The only problem is JD is still JD.

 

^^^ about sums up feelings towards nancy and his arthritic vagina on the dodgerblues site. check out http://www.dodgerblues.com/fanforum/nfphpbb/viewtopic.php?t=7194 and http://www.dodgerblues.com/fanforum/nfphpbb/viewtopic.php?t=7149 for a sample of the threads on this guy and his act. i know the FA market is thin, but you gotta be kidding you are seriously willing to pay more than 11 mil. per, for a .280 hitter with 20 HR and 100 unimpressive rbi? like i said, im torn since as a dodgerfan im ecstatic, but as a soxfan im crossing my fingers this doesnt happen, but accepting that it probably will.

[Mr Crunchy]

agreed,i cant argue about manny laying down last summer

but who quit 1st in 06

the front office or manny??

i'll take manny and his problems all day long

francona may not like him but i dont give a s*** about francona

and i wont till he wins 15 games or hits 40hrs...

 

jd drew played 140 games twice in his career,hit 30hrs 1x and 100rbi 1x

in fenway he may not eclipse 20hrs

johnny damon never played less than 145 games

we let damon go to ny as the best leadoff hitter in the game

in turn

we're going to offer drew 20M more than we offered damon a year later??

take the 75M and offer it to jason schmidt or spend it on the fans by opening up the bar before the game but please dont spend it on a guy who's played for more teams than carl everett in his last 4 years

 

im not on board with this

give pena the shot in right,crisp in center and manny in left

picup a utility man on the cheap and invest in pitching

if we sign drew mannys gone

 

also

next year has a s*** load of studs coming out

jones,wells etc...

if theyre into the future then keep jd in the national league where he belongs

[CrespoBlows]

I don't mind the annual salary, but five years? I don't see this ending well. There could be an opt-out clause for the Red Sox if he gets hurt.

 

The Red Sox could still end up winners, if Ramirez is traded for Jonathon Broxton, Andy LaRoche and Chad Billingsley. (probably too much) We add Drew, Lugo, and possibly Andruw Jones. The team would overall, be improved.

[edge4414]

agreed,i cant argue about manny laying down last summer

but who quit 1st in 06

the front office or manny??

i'll take manny and his problems all day long

francona may not like him but i dont give a s*** about francona

and i wont till he wins 15 games or hits 40hrs...

 

jd drew played 140 games twice in his career,hit 30hrs 1x and 100rbi 1x

in fenway he may not eclipse 20hrs

johnny damon never played less than 145 games

we let damon go to ny as the best leadoff hitter in the game

in turn

we're going to offer drew 20M more than we offered damon a year later??

take the 75M and offer it to jason schmidt or spend it on the fans by opening up the bar before the game but please dont spend it on a guy who's played for more teams than carl everett in his last 4 years

 

im not on board with this

give pena the shot in right,crisp in center and manny in left

picup a utility man on the cheap and invest in pitching

if we sign drew mannys gone

 

also

next year has a s*** load of studs coming out

jones,wells etc...

if theyre into the future then keep jd in the national league where he belongs

 

Again to me they are independent

Drew is coming whether Manny is traded or not

And Manny will be traded if they get the right offer. Drew or not

 

Last thing - Manny has asked to be traded again and this time he knows it is not a contract issue unlike other years. What do you think he will be like in 2007 if we don't trade him again. I am not willing to find out

[eZ_d0eS_iT]

Trot is one of my all time favorites but do you wonder why he has had no action at all in this market and 4 or 5 teams were in on Drew. It is sad to see what injuries have done to him.

As far as Manny goes I don't see the connection. They are signing Drew whether they trade Manny or not. Great Hitter but he quit on the team this year. Did you see "Hot Stove " this week or was it Red Sox this week. Lorretta and Ortiz spoke on Manny. Lorretta was open that the clubhouse was questioning whether Manny was hurt enough not to play this year and Ortiz who usually defends Manny was very quiet and evasive. He backed off the need to have Manny behind him.

What you and I and all the posters think doesn't matter but what his teammates say matter a great deal.

 

dont kid urself about there being no connection. drew is all but a lock at this point, per espn, and as soon as he signs on the dotted line, manny is gone! are the two directly related? no, but a strong correlation nonetheless. and if the dodgers are able to offer a better package for manny than the geriactric giants and their empty cupboard of prospects, then you can almost make a case for a 'drew for manny plus extras' deal going down.

[Fried Neckbones]

It's the "plus extras" part that makes this acceptable to the Sox. Bearing in mind that this isn't really a trade, if it works out that Manny goes to LA, and Drew + Billingsley + Broxton + Kemp/LaRoche come to Boston, I'll take that, especially if they can then flip Billingsley and Coco + a prospect to ATL for Jones (but only if he signs an extension).

 

Net deal: minus 1 Manny, plus 1 Drew, 1 Jones, 1 potential closer, and 1 nice youngster. Not too shabby.

 

Even if the ATL part doesn't work out, it's still a pretty good deal.