What is wrong with Wily Mo?

[Soxfan1]

Not to mention he isn't the best fielder.

[seabeachfred]

take into consideration that drew played in fan friendly st louis where they politely clap when you f*** up

and in los angeles

where the beautiful people arrive in the 3rd inning and leave in the 7th.

 

we drop 45M on him and he plays his usual 80 games??

he will be crucified beyond reproach

 

he had a couple of good years

he had a couple of mediocre years

considering he would cost a little less than what we refused to give to damon i have to wonder what is the mindset in yawkee way.

 

Maybe the Red Sox learned a bitter lesson in not signing Damon and want to make sure it doesn't happen again by signing a player they really need. True what you said of the St. Louis fans, but the LA fans have become much more aggressive the past few years and they let Drew have it when they felt like he had it coming. Red Sox fans are much tougher but I just think J.D. is tougher than many people believe, and the fact is we cannot expect Pena and Hinske to handle that job. One is a fat slob who can't move and has forgotten how to hit, the other can't play the outfield worth s#$t and is about as bad a hitter inthe clutch as you will find.

[yeszir]

Bats, they are sick. I cannot hit curveball. Straightball I hit it very much. Curveball, bats are afraid. I ask Jobu to come, take fear from bats. I offer him cigar, rum. He will come.

[kreinbihl34]

Dude I would so bet that Wily is alittle like that. It just seems like he would be that kind of guy. Also, what do you think is the Red Sox's stand of live chickens in the clubhouse before games

[MC Hammer]

How you could doubt a guy who hit .301 in the play 2 games sit 2 weeks season he played last year is beyond me. Next season can't come fast enough. I'm not rooting for the Sox to trade WMP to a team that will actually let him play.

[BSN07]

I would like to see him play at 1B. Now before I get burned at the stake just listen. He´s a big guy and athletic. He can´t judge a flyball that well and can no way play RF at fenway. Give him all winter to work at 1B. Then see what you got. He´s built like Mo Vaughn in the big stocky manor. Mo did well at 1B for a number of years. His bat will only get better with everyday play. MC I usually don´t agree with you, but the 300 BA for only getting in every so often is hard to look past. He is going to be a great hitter. These last few years have been like his minor league years because of the NYY signed him to a ML contract and he never got the chance to be groomed. I can see him having a break out year, but since they probably won´t play him at first it might be with a diferent team. He´s being dangled now to the NATS and Jim Bowden who traded for him in CIN for Cordero the closer.

 

Either WMP, Coco or Lowell is gonna be dealt for bullpen help. If you get rid of coco then wmp canplay CF where he was halfway decent at times. I still say try him at 1B, put Youk back at 3B and swap Lowell for some bullpen help. Just an idea give me your thoughts everyone.

[jacksonianmarch]

I agree with u seabeachfred and we have not agreed on much but....JD hits well to RF if u see his hit chart u will see that he may have his finest season yet playing 81 games at Fenway.

 

he hits well to RF? That is the biggest part of the park in fenway, how will he have a good yr if he does that with regularity? :dunno:

[jacksonianmarch]

Bats' date=' they are sick. I cannot hit curveball. Straightball I hit it very much. Curveball, bats are afraid. I ask Jobu to come, take fear from bats. I offer him cigar, rum. He will come.[/quote']

 

I say f*** you Jobu, I do it myself.

[BSN07]

Nobody touches Jaboo´s rum, it is very bad to touch jaboo´s rum.

 

One of the greatest sports movies of all time.

[seabeachfred]

Great posts guys; a little levity while we wait for the other shoe to drop from Theo is much needed at this time. I had a thought recently that maybe if and when the Sox sign Drew, they will use Pena in LF where he wouldn't be such a disaster and hope that he becomes the power man they think he might, trade Manny for a good pitcher and prospect (Angels for Brandon Wood and Ervin Santana) and then trade that pitcher to Texas for either Tiexiera or Young, probably Tex. I would figure that with Drew, Tex, Pena and Big Papi there would be enough power to get the job done, while Wood would in a year or two join Ellsbury as two top young prospects playing for the Red Sox along with Pedroia and some of those young arms like Beckett, Papelbon, Matsuzaka, and a couple of the young fireballers moving up the system like Bucholz and Bard.

[BSN07]

Please excuse my ignorance but what position does Wood play? If he plays SS like i'm thinking he does then this might be the closest thing to a "trade for Manny" that I would have to consider as maybe decent.

 

1.Coco

2.Drew

3.Papi

4.Tex

5.Pena

6.Lowell/Youk( Lowell would most likely be traded)

7.Tek

8.Wood

9.Pedroia

Thats not a have bad line up, with Youk(if lowell isnt traded),Hinske, back up catcher, and OF on the bench

 

1.Schilling

2.Beckett

3.Matsuzaka

4.Papelbon

5.Santanna ( if not turned around in the TEX trade)

I don't think any ML club would turn that 5 man rotation down. Just some fun thoughts:)

[seabeachfred]

Please excuse my ignorance but what position does Wood play? If he plays SS like i'm thinking he does then this might be the closest thing to a "trade for Manny" that I would have to consider as maybe decent.

 

1.Coco

2.Drew

3.Papi

4.Tex

5.Pena

6.Lowell/Youk( Lowell would most likely be traded)

7.Tek

8.Wood

9.Pedroia

Thats not a have bad line up, with Youk(if lowell isnt traded),Hinske, back up catcher, and OF on the bench

 

1.Schilling

2.Beckett

3.Matsuzaka

4.Papelbon

5.Santanna ( if not turned around in the TEX trade)

I don't think any ML club would turn that 5 man rotation down. Just some fun thoughts:)

 

 

Sorry about that. Yes, Wood is a shortstop who could wind up playing there or maybe 3B

He is a can't miss prospect with power and speed and a great arm. He would have to be included in any trade for Manny or else Theo is in worse shape as a GM than I think.

[riverside sluggers]

I think we can begin to rule out possibility of Drew coming to Boston. Pierre got $45 million and Gary Matthews Jr. Obviously Drew is better than both of those players (offense wise) and his agent is Scott Boras. Theo is likely to ease back towards Wily Mo being the right fielder

[BSN07]

I agree and have posted it on other threads. Drew might price himself right out of BOS. And now with Matthews siging in LAA, the hole Manny to LAA is looking less likely. So there goes my line up I just posted 20 mins ago lol.

[Mr Crunchy]

well if pierre gets that kind of coin we should let the bidders knock themselves out for jd drew and keep manny

 

there isnt any protection in baseball for ortiz thats better than what we got already and when its all said and done they may be known as the best 3-4 hitters in 70 years despite what the ginger faced freckled cocksmoker from the herald says

[Rdsxmbnt]

what teams are left out there that are going to shell out 50+ mil for Drew besides the Red Sox?

[Mr Crunchy]

drew hit 30hrs once

hes played 140 games twice

if he comes to fenway and insists on being a pull hitter he may not hit 20 hrs

 

are we really going to be giving this guy more money than damon got??

[Rdsxmbnt]

why not? Drew is a better overall player than damon and a couple years younger

[a700hitter]

"Curse of the Bambino" Shaughnessy has joined the legion of press trying to run Manny out of town.

[Mr Crunchy]

jd drew is a career underachiever

he's perpetually hurt and he hasnt played in front of the mobs he will be seeing IF he comes here...

younger yes

better??

i dont buy it.......yet

his power#s are damonesque and will decrease in the vast right field of fenway

meanwhile

damon is the best leadoff hitter in baseball playing for our bitter and hated rivals in nyc

 

i like drew better than pena as an all around ball player

but i also remember him being drafted then refusing to play in philadelphia under any circumstances as the#1 pick in the draft

i havent liked him since

[seabeachfred]

I think we can begin to rule out possibility of Drew coming to Boston. Pierre got $45 million and Gary Matthews Jr. Obviously Drew is better than both of those players (offense wise) and his agent is Scott Boras. Theo is likely to ease back towards Wily Mo being the right fielder

 

This has always been a nightmare thought for me Riverside, but you may be absolutely right. Theo's dicking around while other FA were signing contracts only made Drew's price go higher and higher, and one thing none of us must by is when the Boy Blunder tells us we'll do fine with Pena and Hinske in RF. Pena cannot play RF at Fenway, has proven that when he came here for a series with the Reds and he proved it in the very first home game he played here this year. He cannot judge a fly ball worth a damn, is a strikeout machine, and cannot hit in the clutch worth a damn. He alone will cost us about ten games with his shoddy fielding if he is the RF next season, and will probably set a SO and LOB record with a bat in his hands. Hinske is a human whale who cannot get the bat around his fat gut. He needs to lose 40 pounds and then lose himself. :( :(

[a700hitter]

This has always been a nightmare thought for me Riverside' date=' but you may be absolutely right. Theo's dicking around while other FA were signing contracts only made Drew's price go higher and higher, and one thing none of us must by is when the Boy Blunder tells us we'll do fine with Pena and Hinske in RF. Pena cannot play RF at Fenway, has proven that when he came here for a series with the Reds and he proved it in the very first home game he played here this year. He cannot judge a fly ball worth a damn, is a strikeout machine, and cannot hit in the clutch worth a damn. He alone will cost us about ten games with his shoddy fielding if he is the RF next season, and will probably set a SO and LOB record with a bat in his hands. Hinske is a human whale who cannot get the bat around his fat gut. He needs to lose 40 pounds and then lose himself. :( :([/quote']They did the same thing last year as they let the price of relievers got driven up and then the Sox cheaped out and went for Seanez.

[jacksonianmarch]

unless JD Drew somehow develops a sick fastball and curveball and can close, I dont see why this is an issue. As currently constituted and even with Drew in the lineup, this team will win 80 games and be 3rd in the division again. No bullpen = no chance.

[seabeachfred]

They did the same thing last year as they let the price of relievers got driven up and then the Sox cheaped out and went for Seanez.

 

Theo has become famous for stunts like that. He will try and convince the fans that we have to stay within budget and saddle us with a pack of bums that will certainly fail us when the chips are down. You cannot make chicken salad out of chicken s*** and that is what he will try to foist on us. You honestly think we can win anything with Cora at SS and Pena-Hinske in RF? It is a recipe for disaster but Theo brought this on by not acting fact and signing the players we needed before the other ones were signed by other teams which resulted in the prices going up and up. He never learned from this experience of the last two years. He continues to make the same mistakes.:dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno:

[a700hitter]

Theo has become famous for stunts like that. He will try and convince the fans that we have to stay within budget and saddle us with a pack of bums that will certainly fail us when the chips are down. You cannot make chicken salad out of chicken s*** and that is what he will try to foist on us. You honestly think we can win anything with Cora at SS and Pena-Hinske in RF? It is a recipe for disaster but Theo brought this on by not acting fact and signing the players we needed before the other ones were signed by other teams which resulted in the prices going up and up. He never learned from this experience of the last two years. He continues to make the same mistakes.:dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno:

His job is on the line this year. Another third place finish after investing a fortune in Matsuzaka will cost him his job.

[RedSoxRooter]

I don't think his job's on the line this year. I really don't. Francona will go before Theo will. Hell, Theo just signed his new contract a couple of months ago. The owner loves him. He's safe.

[a700hitter]

I don't think his job's on the line this year. I really don't. Francona will go before Theo will. Hell' date=' Theo just signed his new contract a couple of months ago. The owner loves him. He's safe.[/quote']It's a business and a lot of money is on the line. No matter how much ownership likes Theo, if the '07 season turns out like '06, Theo will be looking for a new job.

[example1]

I don't think his job's on the line this year. I really don't. Francona will go before Theo will. Hell' date=' Theo just signed his new contract a couple of months ago. The owner loves him. He's safe.[/quote']

 

I completely agree. It's not like it's a good free agent period, or like there are a bunch of good players available. Despite the fans of other sports consistently heckling baseball fans about its lack of talent equality across teams, there are a lot of good teams out there who can afford to keep most players. We want a good bullpen; we don't want crappy-ass players like Seanez; but I don't see the Zumayas or Shields or top notch bullpen arms out there.

 

The sox may have to overpay for a player like Mike Gonzalez from Pittsburgh (a couple B prospects perhaps), 2.37 ERA in 155 career IPs. He could be around for a few years and at anchor the front part of the bullpen, especially if they could get another closer or allow Hansen to develop into that role.

 

If I'm the sox I'm looking hard at guys like Masterson, Cox and Bard for potential closers. It seems that being able to develop servicable talent is such a huge part of the baseball business. The sox have drafted a lot of pitchers recently and may have to start going there for bullpen depth. Why the hell not? Why HAVE guys like Seanez on your team if you have young guys who could use the work and development. You may like your results.

[example1]

It's a business and a lot of money is on the line. No matter how much ownership likes Theo' date=' if the '07 season turns out like '06, Theo will be looking for a new job.[/quote']

 

But you have no clue what the owners are expecting a700. It is very likely that Theo has laid out his plan to the FO and they know where this team is going. Part of that plan involves getting to AT LEAST 2008 so some of the young, drafted talent can start paying off. Theo and the FO have openly stated that there would be a retooling period and after next year the sox should have Matsuzaka with one year under his belt, Papelbon with a full year as a starter, Beckett will be 28 and have a few AL seasons under his belt.

 

I think that when GM and owner relationships break down is when the GM's plan for the future does not jive with the plan of ownership. There is no reason to think that the two groups don't agree, as they would not have spent 51m on a Japanese pitcher unless there was at least some agreement.

 

The one place where I could see some disagreement (and where I'm concerned for Theo)is in this Manny trade idea. It's a huge deal whether they keep him or move him. If they move him and it doesn't pay off (or match with the future plans) then Theo could be in trouble. If they keep him and fail to address the real holes on this team, thus producing a crappy team and enabling Manny to take the second half of next season off as well, then theo could also be in trouble.

 

They could also keep him and get the pieces without that leverage and have a good team next year. It's really too early for anyone to know what is going to happen. As far as I can see there are only a few players that the sox should have had interest in who are now signed, Matthews Jr. (who got paid way more than the sox would have spent) and Speier.

[a700hitter]

But you have no clue what the owners are expecting a700. It is very likely that Theo has laid out his plan to the FO and they know where this team is going. Part of that plan involves getting to AT LEAST 2008 so some of the young' date=' drafted talent can start paying off. Theo and the FO have openly stated that there would be a retooling period and after next year the sox should have Matsuzaka with one year under his belt, Papelbon with a full year as a starter, Beckett will be 28 and have a few AL seasons under his belt. .[/quote']I don't think they will let another prime year of Ortiz and possibly the last year of Manny and Schilling as well as one year of the big investment of Matsuzaka go by without an expectation of making the post-season. A third place finish cannot possibly be acceptable after this investment.