Gonzalez vs Lugo

[scaffolds]

One of the must talk about subject this Winter among Red Sox fans is who will play short stop in 2007. Before we discuss Gonzalez and Lugo, we know who won't be regular and that will be Dustin Pedroia or Alex Cora while both should be on the 07 roster neither has the range or arm to a short stop for a contending team.

 

It has been reported that in order to sign Julio Lugo it will take a multi year contract about 8 to 9 million per year. Lugo is mainly an offensive Shortstop one who could hit for a high average, that will score a lot runs, who has very good speed and will steal bases, one who has gap power, but not Home run power. With the glove is an average shorstop one who has an OK range and arm, but one who is very capable of comiting 30 errors in a season or one who will cost a game like he did a few years ago with the Astros when in the playoffs he cost them a couple games before the Astros bench him for the rest of the playoff.

 

It has been talk about that Alex Gonzalez wants a multiple years contract. In my opinion Gonzalez would sign a contract for two years around the 4.5 millions per year plus a option for the third year. Anyone who has seen Gonzalez play the last few years will know that he is capable of making the routine play and the spectecular one, very few Shortstop (if any) has the range that he does and none one turns the DP as well as he does. As a hitter we all know that he doesn't make as much contact as we will like, that he has average speed, but he is capable of hitting 15-20 HR (if he plays 150 games) and can drive in some runs.

 

In conclusion when an organization looks for shortstop it looks for one that will give a top defense, one who could make the routine play and has the range and arm, one who won't cost you a game with his glove, one that what he gives you with his bat will be frosting, not one that you depends in his bat. The Sox needs more offense production we all know that, but they needed from a production positions like first base, that is why they need a change at first base and the answer who should be the Red Sox shortstop for 2007 is Ales Gonzalez not Julio Lugo.

[DUSTINMOHR4LIFE]

Take Lugo. Please. According to The Bill James Handbook 2007, Gonzo was not a top 10 fielding shortstop this or in the past three years. Neither was Lugo, but Lugo has a SIGNIFIGANT edge in hitting. Gonzo's VORP? 3.2. Lugo's VORP? 21 (Lugo's VORP was 31.3 with TB, he suffered a terrible dropoff with LA) 'Nuff said.

[Optimist]

As this debate goes on, Hanley Ramirez is celebrating his rookie of the year award.

[Beckett95]

Gonzo's better defensively and much cheaper. Id stick with him for another year or 2.

 

Lugo has Renteria written all over

[Cityofchampions33]

Lugo has Renteria written all over

 

I disagree, Lugo has been in the AL, and even better the eastern division. He's more confident than ERent, and his cockiness should get him by in Boston.

[DUSTINMOHR4LIFE]

I disagree' date=' Lugo has been in the AL, and even better the eastern division. He's more confident than ERent, and his cockiness should get him by in Boston.[/quote']

 

 

Good point. Lugo has shown that he can hit in the AL East already.

[scaffolds]

Take Lugo. Please. According to The Bill James Handbook 2007' date=' Gonzo was not a top 10 fielding shortstop this or in the past three years. Neither was Lugo, but Lugo has a SIGNIFIGANT edge in hitting. Gonzo's VORP? 3.2. Lugo's VORP? 21 (Lugo's VORP was 31.3 with TB, he suffered a terrible dropoff with LA) 'Nuff said.[/quote']

 

 

You rather take what someone might said than your own eyes, that report is a joke, Gonzalez isn' t only the defensive shortstop in the AL, but in the ML. When it comes to shortstop defense if someone names Lugo close to Gonzalez is a lack of repect to the position.

[yankeessuck013]

As this debate goes on' date=' Hanley Ramirez is celebrating his rookie of the year award.[/quote']

 

Someone's a little bitter over a certain Japanese pitcher.

[Beckett95]

I just dont think we need a SS who can hit in the top of the lineup at this time. I think some combination of Youk/Crisp/Pedroia should be fine for the 1-2 spots in the lineup. Defense and Pitching come before Hitting. Not to mention the fact that we save alot of money in Gonzo.

[Beckett95]

That lineup offensively should be fine, with the rotation we have next year.

 

1. Youk

2. Pedroia/Crisp

3. Ortiz

4. Manny

5. Drew

6. Lowell

7. Varitek

8. Crisp/Pedroia

9. Gonzalez

[scaffolds]

I disagree you need offense from the first baseman, if you have Youkilis in the line up there is a offense problem and as a lead hitter even worst.

[scaffolds]

City of championship; i got two words for you, BETTER DEFENSE.

[Optimist]

Someone's a little bitter over a certain Japanese pitcher.

 

I wanted Matsuzaka, but I'm not bitter about the Sox overpaying him. It happens; I'm not going to whine and moan about it for months like you guys would.

 

Anyways...someone's a little bitter about trading a guy who threw a no-no and the ROY for a guy with a 5+ ERA (and an attitude that's going to keep it there.)

[Bosoxwest]

If you can get Gonzo to sign a 2-year deal I think you do it. Lugo isn't enough of an upgrade to warrant the cost. This team scores enough runs to carry a defensive shortstop. By the end of 2008 I'd guess they'll know whether Negron's arm can handle short, and a more projectable timeline for Tejeda.

[riverside sluggers]

Anyways...someone's a little bitter about trading a guy who threw a no-no and the ROY for a guy with a 5+ ERA (and an attitude that's going to keep it there.)

 

Wow ok... again judging Beckett's rest of his career on his first season in the AL is ludicrous. He was able to eclipse 200 innings and not go to the DL at all, improvement? The second half saw him dismantle his homerun woes and he carried himself with a hot streak for the last month of the season. Under your logic, he will have a 5+ ERA each season for the rest of his career

 

Also would Anibal Sanchez have even close to the same type of success in the AL East?

[ORS]

Anyways...someone's a little bitter about trading a guy who threw a no-no and the ROY for a guy with a 5+ ERA (and an attitude that's going to keep it there.)

Of course we aren't happy with the way that move has turned out thus far. And, that's why you brought it up in the first place.

[elsrbueno]

I still think we can sign both. Lugo to play second and Gonzalez to play short.

[Fried Neckbones]

I still think we can sign both. Lugo to play second and Gonzalez to play short.

 

Why sign both when 2b is Pedrioa's spot to lose at this point?

 

Sign Gonzo to a 2 year deal (less $, better defense), pass on Lugo, and use the extra $ to put towards Matsuzaka, a closer, or an OF.

[scaffolds]

Signing Lugo to play second base at 8-9 Millions per year doesn't make one bit of sense.

[scaffolds]

We all know that Sox's pitchers allowed a ton of runs, if Gonzalez wouldn't had play a 100 some games at shortstop it would had been a bunch more.

[Fried Neckbones]

Especially with a stable of power pitchers who attack the strike zone - having a better defensive shortstop behind them is going to let them do that with a lot more confidence. Witness second half '04.

[scaffolds]

According to rumors (very strong rumors) the Blue Jays are heavy after Alex Gonzalez, if indeed the Blue Jay signs Gonzalez it will be a major mistake by the Sox FO.

[a700hitter]

According to rumors (very strong rumors) the Blue Jays are heavy after Alex Gonzalez' date=' if indeed the Blue Jay signs Gonzalez it will be a major mistake by the Sox FO.[/quote']Agreed. He's the best fielding SS I have seen with the Red Sox in 39 years.

[Rdsxmbnt]

WOW - Agon may have just gotten 3yrs/15mil from a team http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2006/11/gonzalez_in_dem.html

[rician blast]

Agreed. He's the best fielding SS I have seen with the Red Sox in 39 years.

 

700...check this out. A guy I work with comes over, like he does every day, to make some statements about the Yankees (apparently he fancies himself a Yankees "fan").

 

He says "I heard the Sox are trying to get Lugo."

I say "its one scenario".

 

He says "he's better than Gonzalez in the field, but he can't hit"

I say "actually its just the opposite"

 

He says "There is no one better in the field than Jeter"

I say "OCab, Gonzo, Reyes and about 5-6 other SS probably would argue with you, but he is the most popular"

 

He says "he's probably the best defensive SS ever"

I say "quit spewing s*** and get outta my office"

 

There seem to be many who just don't get how good Gonzo really is with the glove. I can't ever recall a Sox SS playing better 'D' in the time I've been watching.

[a700hitter]

700...check this out. A guy I work with comes over, like he does every day, to make some statements about the Yankees (apparently he fancies himself a Yankees "fan").

 

He says "I heard the Sox are trying to get Lugo."

I say "its one scenario".

 

He says "he's better than Gonzalez in the field, but he can't hit"

I say "actually its just the opposite"

 

He says "There is no one better in the field than Jeter"

I say "OCab, Gonzo, Reyes and about 5-6 other SS probably would argue with you, but he is the most popular"

 

He says "he's probably the best defensive SS ever"

I say "quit spewing s*** and get outta my office"

 

There seem to be many who just don't get how good Gonzo really is with the glove. I can't ever recall a Sox SS playing better 'D' in the time I've been watching.

Jeter doesn't even make the top 10 in my lifetime.

[ORS]

Lifetime? Jeter doesn't make the top-10 of active starting SS.

[a700hitter]

Lifetime? Jeter doesn't make the top-10 of active starting SS.

I was being uncharacteristically kind.

[pudge]

As this debate goes on' date=' Hanley Ramirez is celebrating his rookie of the year award.[/quote']oh boy you really got us redsox fans on that one .thanks for the contribution . :rolleyes:

[schillingouttheks]

oh boy you really got us redsox fans on that one .thanks for the contribution . :rolleyes:

 

You do realize that you basically only post in response to something that a Yankee fan said, trying to shove dirt back in their faces. Have you ANYTHING else to say? For the record, Optimist has contributed more in one day than you have in your time here.

 

Sorry for re-directing the thread, but he was starting to annoy me. Is it just me or does anyone else notice this about "pudge?" Maybe I'm crazy. I don't know. Whatever.

 

Back to Lugo vs. Gonzo.