Jaret Wright traded to the O's

[jacksonianmarch]

Cashman does another raping. Wright, who was scheduled to be bought out, was sent along with cash to the Orioles for 23 yr old reliever Chris Britton. Britton had an era in the low 3's last yr in the bigs, but was demoted in August because of a rough stretch of 6 games. Here are his stats.

 

Baltimore MLB 0-2 3.35ERA 52G 53.2IP 46H 17BB 41K 1.17WHIP

 

He throws gas and is only 23 yrs old. Why the f*** would the O's make this deal for 5 inning Wright? Damn.

[jacksonianmarch]

here is the link

 

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-sp.orioles12nov12,0,7218437.story?coll=bal-sports-baseball

[riverside sluggers]

Britton was a promising reliever for the O's and they send him to their rival Yankees, even though they couldve easily gotten Wright cheap as a FA. They'll contend with Tampa Bay for last place once again

[ORS]

This is a raping? Wow.

 

Britton is a decent looking youngster, but look at the cost. The Yankees aren't deep at SP and they just gave away an option. Hell, the Sox were deep at SP going into last year when they traded away Arroyo and we saw how quickly he could have been used. Don't get me wrong, I see good potential for the Yankees here, but I don't see a raping. Especially when you consider Wright is being matched up with the pitching coach who is the reason the Yankees signed him in the first place, which could serve to make a division foe a little tougher. I don't see a clear-cut winner in this one.

[jacksonianmarch]

Britton was a promising reliever for the O's and they send him to their rival Yankees' date=' even though they couldve easily gotten Wright cheap as a FA. They'll contend with Tampa Bay for last place once again[/quote']

 

 

So in total.

 

Yankees dealt

38 yr old power hitter who had no position

32 yr old starting pitcher who was not going to make the rotation

4 million dollars

 

Yankees received

Humberto Sanchez- 23 yr old AAA pitcher with ace potential

Kevin Whelan- 22 yr old top 10 prospect with closer potential

Antohny Claggett- 22 yr old project with rotation potential

Chris Britton- 23 yr old power reliever who had a solid rookie yr in the majors

 

Cashman is making his bank thus far this offseason. Nice moves.

[jacksonianmarch]

This is a raping? Wow.

 

Britton is a decent looking youngster, but look at the cost. The Yankees aren't deep at SP and they just gave away an option. Hell, the Sox were deep at SP going into last year when they traded away Arroyo and we saw how quickly he could have been used. Don't get me wrong, I see good potential for the Yankees here, but I don't see a raping. Especially when you consider Wright is being matched up with the pitching coach who is the reason the Yankees signed him in the first place, which could serve to make a division foe a little tougher. I don't see a clear-cut winner in this one.

 

Arroyo and Wright do not even belong in the same sentence. Jaret Wright is a pitcher who posted a mid 4 era and took the bump 30+ times last yr. That is the good side, but check out his average innings per start. He barely averaged 5 innings per start. He is a huge reason why Scott Proctor pitched 100 innings last yr and he flopped in his most important start to stave off elimination. Also, Wright was useless out of the pen in a swing role.

 

The yankees have some young pitchers who impressed late in the yr. They also have Pavano coming back, but he cannot be counted on. Assuming Wang, RJ, and Mussina are still the top 3, this now leaves 3 pitchers for 2 spots with the potential for the yankees to nab one more pitcher on the market. They have Pavano, Karstens and Rasner ready for the rotation. Karstens started 6 games, went 2-1 with a 3.80ERA and averaged over 6 innings per start. Rasner went 3-1 with a mid 4 era in 3 starts and 3 relief appearances and the guy is dominating winter ball. Rasner is 25 and Karstens is 24, both guys are better bets to have a good season than Jaret Wright.

 

Also, Wright was expected to be bought out at 4 mil and let go as a FA. Hence, the yankees bought him out and were given a 23 yr old power reliever as a gift.

[riverside sluggers]

O's fans are sorry bunch

http://www.forums.mlb.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=ml-orioles&msg=31316.1

From: bawlmeroreos 6:40 am

To: ALL (2 of 5)

 

The Sun says its done.

 

Britton to NY for Wright and cash. Just waiting for the Commish's approval since it involves over 1M in cash.

 

I guess this is another Leo project. Could be a good move.

 

From: mora4pres 7:34 am

To: bawlmeroreos (3 of 5)

 

I like this move as well....I like the fact that the team is starting out the off season in an aggressive way.

 

From: bawlmeroreos 8:04 am

To: mora4pres (4 of 5)

 

Now if they can only sustain the momentum and close some other gaps. Another starter would be nice someone like Suppan, Meche, Eaton, Lilly...I don't foresee Mulder.

 

I don't expect Soriano or Lee either. Big numbers and long contracts makes Peter nauseous and gives him night sweats.

 

I look for older, mid-level guys like Alou, Huff, you know the kind that gives normanchaney apoplexy.

[jacksonianmarch]

O's fans are sorry bunch

 

 

can you blame them. This is utterly deplorable. I watched a lot of O's games last yr. Britton was a guy who could be counted on until he hit a rough patch in August. He was the O's version of Proctor. He was used a TON. He throws gas, has some control issues, but not too bad and has good enough off speed stuff to get by.

 

And to think, they gave up something of value for a guy who was going to be bought out today and would have become a FA.

[ORS]

Arroyo and Wright do belong in the same sentence when you are discussing SP depth. The Yakees don't have that right now. The fact that you bring up Rasner, Karstens, and Pavano as legit depth options for them right now says a lot about how far you are reaching. Pavano has pitched 100 innings in the last two-years. Even if he isn't hurt, you think throwing a guy who hasn't pitched against ML hitters in over 18 months into the AL East is a good option? Rasner and Karstens are AAAA players. That's like saying the Sox had SP depth with DiNardo, Pauley, and Gabbard.

[Gom]

This is a raping? Wow.

 

Britton is a decent looking youngster, but look at the cost. The Yankees aren't deep at SP and they just gave away an option. Hell, the Sox were deep at SP going into last year when they traded away Arroyo and we saw how quickly he could have been used. Don't get me wrong, I see good potential for the Yankees here, but I don't see a raping. Especially when you consider Wright is being matched up with the pitching coach who is the reason the Yankees signed him in the first place, which could serve to make a division foe a little tougher. I don't see a clear-cut winner in this one.

 

Once again, I fail to see any reasoning here. Jaret Wright averaged 4.68 innings per start. Karstens, his replacement, averaged 6 innings per start. Now, I won't say that Karstens will have a 1.20 WHIP like last year [who knows how he will do in a full season], but I believe that there is little doubt that he will average any worse than Wright did last year. Wright's biggest problem was an inability to pitch deep into any games. He severely taxed the Yankee bullpen, as they had to pitch 4-5 innings in pretty much every single start he had last year. Wright cost the Yankees more than you think due the overworking of the bullpen. Another classic example of addition by subtraction. Considering the Yankees were going to buy him out anyways, getting anything at all, even a bar of soap for him, was an upgrade. Cashman got a decent young player for someone he was going to buy out anyways. So they got Britton for nothing when all was said and done. The fact that he is reunited with Mazzone is irrelevant. Unless Mazzone was going to coach him in NY this coming season, it makes no difference to the Yankees plans this offseason.

 

What should worry the Sox is that the Yankees have successfully cut 32 million by getting rid of Sheffield, Wright, and Mussina's salary. I highly doubt that the Yankees are going to sit on this money. Also assuming that Matsuzaka ends up with the Red Sox, I see the Yankees seriously pursuing both Zito and Schmidt, who they could easily sign now with the money they saved AND still coming out with a savings. In fact, they could resign Mussina as well [say 12 million], and only come out with a net increase in payroll of about 3-4 million per year. I won't say it's a complete raping, but Cashman is having a hell of an off-season so far.

 

John Heyman of CNNSI also states that there is trade interest, believe it or not, in Pavano. If he goes too, which is a long shot, the Yankees could conceivably sign Schmidt AND Zito AND Mussina. They might be able to anyways at this point.

[jacksonianmarch]

Arroyo and Wright do belong in the same sentence when you are discussing SP depth. The Yakees don't have that right now. The fact that you bring up Rasner' date=' Karstens, and Pavano as legit depth options for them right now says a lot about how far you are reaching. Pavano has pitched 100 innings in the last two-years. Even if he isn't hurt, you think throwing a guy who hasn't pitched against ML hitters in over 18 months into the AL East is a good option? Rasner and Karstens are AAAA players. That's like saying the Sox had SP depth with DiNardo, Pauley, and Gabbard.[/quote']

 

Think about this though. It is likely that the yankees will get one more SP. RJ, Mussina, Wang, ??? (Zito?, Matsu?, Schmidt?, Pettitte?) and then an open 5 slot. That 5 slot has suitors like Pavano, Rasner, and Karstens. Then it has the potential to be open for Hughes, Clippard, or Sanchez. They have options is what I am saying, and losing a guy who could not get past 5 innings on a regular basis is not something that will hurt. Arroyo was a guy who would give you a mid 4 era and go 6-7 innings per start. That saves pen. Wright was a guy who would go 4-6 innings, that burns pen. He was useless and hence why he was being bought out.

 

Also, Gabbard is a favorable comparison in that he had success as did both Rasner and Karstens. Pauley not so much aside from one game.

[a700hitter]

Yankees received

Humberto Sanchez- 23 yr old AAA pitcher with ace potential

Kevin Whelan- 22 yr old top 10 prospect with closer potential

Antohny Claggett- 22 yr old project with rotation potential

Chris Britton- 23 yr old power reliever who had a solid rookie yr in the majors

 

Cashman is making his bank thus far this offseason. Nice moves.

Who, who, who and who? I'll start worrying about these guys when I start seeing Yankee fans wearing thir jerseys. Until then, you got 4 lottery tickets. At best, Cashman has freed up payroll.

[jacksonianmarch]

one other thing that is a good predictor of some success.

 

Rasner 5BB in 20IP

Karstens 11BB in 42IP

 

while

Gabbard 16BB in 25.2IP

Pauley 6BB in 16IP

 

I am not saying Karstens or Rasner will be ace material. They will likely be asked to be #5s if they make the team at all. All a #5 needs to do is log innings and limit baserunners. Good control will help with that. Gabbard and Pauley didnt have that.

[jacksonianmarch]

Who' date=' who, who and who? I'll start worrying about these guys when I start seeing Yankee fans wearing thir jerseys. Until then, you got 4 lottery tickets. At best, Cashman has freed up payroll.[/quote']

 

Britton will pitched in the majors last yr.

[ORS]

Once again' date=' I fail to see any reasoning here. Jaret Wright averaged 4.68 innings per start. Karstens, his replacement, averaged 6 innings per start. Now, I won't say that Karstens will have a 1.20 WHIP like last year [who knows how he will do in a full season'], but I believe that there is little doubt that he will average any worse than Wright did last year. Wright's biggest problem was an inability to pitch deep into any games. He severely taxed the Yankee bullpen, as they had to pitch 4-5 innings in pretty much every single start he had last year. Wright cost the Yankees more than you think due the overworking of the bullpen. Another classic example of addition by subtraction. Considering the Yankees were going to buy him out anyways, getting anything at all, even a bar of soap for him, was an upgrade. Cashman got a decent young player for someone he was going to buy out anyways. So they got Britton for nothing when all was said and done. The fact that he is reunited with Mazzone is irrelevant. Unless Mazzone was going to coach him in NY this coming season, it makes no difference to the Yankees plans this offseason.

Why are people assuming Cashman was going to buy him out? Because that's what they would have done? Newsflash, none of you work in baseball ops for a reason. I haven't seen that reported anywhere, so lets not give somebody credit for something that didn't happen. If the Orioles had any inclination to believe he would have been available for money only, they would have waited.

 

What should worry the Sox is that the Yankees have successfully cut 32 million by getting rid of Sheffield, Wright, and Mussina's salary. I highly doubt that the Yankees are going to sit on this money. Also assuming that Matsuzaka ends up with the Red Sox, I see the Yankees seriously pursuing both Zito and Schmidt, who they could easily sign now with the money they saved AND still coming out with a savings. In fact, they could resign Mussina as well [say 12 million], and only come out with a net increase in payroll of about 3-4 million per year. I won't say it's a complete raping, but Cashman is having a hell of an off-season so far.

 

John Heyman of CNNSI also states that there is trade interest, believe it or not, in Pavano. If he goes too, which is a long shot, the Yankees could conceivably sign Schmidt AND Zito AND Mussina. They might be able to anyways at this point.

Right, because the Yankees can force them to sign with them. There are strong indications that Schmidt isn't interested in leaving the west coast. And, while Zito has expressed interest in the NY market, there's another team with WIN-NOW written all over them and ever more grave needs in the rotation (and they have a GM not afraid of handing out big $$). No guarantees there.

 

Wright reuniting with Mazzone is relevant. I mean, it has to be with someone like you who wanted to congratulate the Yankees for deciding where Sheff went. If they get credit there, they get blame here. Trading Wright, while not the fear inducing player Sheff can be, to the O's was the worst possible place. His career best was with Mazzone, and they play the O's 19 times. Be consistent.

[jacksonianmarch]

it was reported in the post a few weeks back I believe. It seems to have been common knowledge. Check rotoworld. They say that the yankees would have had control over him for one more day, hence they would have bought him out.

[ORS]

Damn, if only the Orioles had the internet.

[a700hitter]

Britton will pitched in the majors last yr.

Will Britton pitch in the majors this year? Will he be anything more than a body. Will he have 11 wins with a 4.50 ERA. Oh, and Jaret Wright is 30 years old, and he gave up only 10 HRs in 140 IP. Only Wang gave up HRs less frequently.

[MC Hammer]

I don't think I can ever say a bad word about Cashman again. From the ASB to now he's made about a half dozen rapes for the yankees.

[Optimist]

His career best was with Mazzone' date=' and they play the O's 19 times. Be consistent.[/quote']

 

His career best was in the National League. I think that had a lot more to do with his success than a pitching coach who led the second worst staff in all of baseball this year.

[jacksonianmarch]

Will Britton pitch in the majors this year? Will he be anything more than a body. Will he have 11 wins with a 4.50 ERA. Oh' date=' and Jaret Wright is 30 years old, and he gave up only 10 HRs in 140 IP. Only Wang gave up HRs less frequently.[/quote']

 

It is currently November 12th. FA season has not even started yet. This is not a spring training deal like Arroyo was. There are options available right now. Also, you bring up 140IP. How many starts was that in? The guy was a pen burner.

[CrespoBlows]

one other thing that is a good predictor of some success.

 

Rasner 5BB in 20IP

Karstens 11BB in 42IP

 

while

Gabbard 16BB in 25.2IP

Pauley 6BB in 16IP

 

I am not saying Karstens or Rasner will be ace material. They will likely be asked to be #5s if they make the team at all. All a #5 needs to do is log innings and limit baserunners. Good control will help with that. Gabbard and Pauley didnt have that.

 

Bad indicator's for success.

 

Karstens:

11/16 BB:K ratio

.49 GO/FO ratio. (That'll look even worse in Yankee Stadium)

6 HR's in 42 IP (That'll look worse in Yankee Stadium)

 

And Rasner? He pitched 20 innings, and this guy is a success? There's a reason the Nationals threw this bitch onto the compost heap. His fastball barely touches 87 mph, his secondary stuff is average at best. This guy isn't a major league starters.

 

Oh, and besides, Pauley and Dinardo do suck. Just like these guys right here.

[MC Hammer]

His career best was in the National League. I think that had a lot more to do with his success than a pitching coach who led the second worst staff in all of baseball this year.

I agree. I think he is one of the most overrated coaches in the history of baseball. He got Glavine, Maddux, and Smoltz ... not real hard to have success. Think about the great names he's brought up since ... such as .......................... and uh .......................................

[CrespoBlows]

Will Britton pitch in the majors this year? Will he be anything more than a body. Will he have 11 wins with a 4.50 ERA. Oh' date=' and Jaret Wright is 30 years old, and he gave up only 10 HRs in 140 IP. Only Wang gave up HRs less frequently.[/quote']

 

Yeah, he will. He's had 50 IP of major league success, and he's routinely blown away batters at the minor league level. He throws hard, and his decent control. He won't be a dominate setup man, but he can help a bullpen out.

 

I don't know why you have a massive prospect phobia, but it's hindering your ability to think. Seriously man, this is Jaret Wright. A guy, I loved to see pitching for the Yankees. The Yankees would have been lucky to receive a used condom for this guy. He was lucky his ERA didn't soar over 6.00 this year. Unless Mazzone can summon that magic potion that he used to resurrect Wright's career in Atlanta, (key word Atlanta) this was an underwhelming move by the Orioles. Why Steinbrenner was dumb enough to give this guy three years is beyond me.

[jacksonianmarch]

Bad indicator's for success.

 

Karstens:

11/16 BB:K ratio

.49 GO/FO ratio. (That'll look even worse in Yankee Stadium)

6 HR's in 42 IP (That'll look worse in Yankee Stadium)

 

And Rasner? He pitched 20 innings, and this guy is a success? There's a reason the Nationals threw this bitch onto the compost heap. His fastball barely touches 87 mph, his secondary stuff is average at best. This guy isn't a major league starters.

 

Oh, and besides, Pauley and Dinardo do suck. Just like these guys right here.

 

use your formulas all you want. I determine my considerations on where they are depended upon. An ace should have all the nice peripherals, a horse with low era, potentially a very high K rate, but a low WHIP. A #5 guy to me is someone who can post a mid 4's era and give you 6-7 innings per night. These are usually pitchers who have fringe stuff. You cannot get by on fringe stuff while giving away free passes.

[CrespoBlows]

use your formulas all you want. I determine my considerations on where they are depended upon. An ace should have all the nice peripherals' date=' a horse with low era, potentially a very high K rate, but a low WHIP. A #5 guy to me is someone who can post a mid 4's era and give you 6-7 innings per night. These are usually pitchers who have fringe stuff. You cannot get by on fringe stuff while giving away free passes.[/quote']

 

What is fringe stuff? 87 mph with no particular good secondary pitches? Rasner is not a fifth guy by any stretch of the imagination.

 

Karstens, could give you an ERA of 5.00 with about 5 IP per start. That's probably an ideal fifth starter. This is the Yankees however, not the Royals. They can do better than that. (Meche, Wolf, etc.)

[ORS]

His career best was in the National League. I think that had a lot more to do with his success than a pitching coach who led the second worst staff in all of baseball this year.

ERA+ accounts for that, and the best pitching of his career occurred under Mazzone.

 

Yes, a lot of Mazzone's success was due to having talented pitchers, but he appears to have gotten a lot of production out of his talent, which is what the pitching coach's job is. It is for this very reason that the O's had a horrible year last year. He didn't have much to work with. Mazzone is one of the game's best pitching coaches, and I think he'll help Wright out next year. This won't put the O's over the top by any stretch of the imagination, but he'll improve their rotation.

[ORS]

I don't know, maybe I'm coming around to see it your way Jackson. Devern Hansack was awesome in his cup of coffee. The Sox have some real value there. More depth for the staff. [/sarcasm]

 

There's a reason nobody is listing this guy as part of the legit SP options for the Sox next year. Same thing goes with Tavarez as a SP. They are the guys you use when the s*** hits the fan. They are not who you want to count on going into the season. Same principle holds for Karstens and Rasner. Count them as options for the Yankees all you want, but you aren't fooling anyone.

[a700hitter]

Yeah, he will. He's had 50 IP of major league success, and he's routinely blown away batters at the minor league level. He throws hard, and his decent control. He won't be a dominate setup man, but he can help a bullpen out.

 

I don't know why you have a massive prospect phobia, but it's hindering your ability to think. Seriously man, this is Jaret Wright. A guy, I loved to see pitching for the Yankees. The Yankees would have been lucky to receive a used condom for this guy. He was lucky his ERA didn't soar over 6.00 this year. Unless Mazzone can summon that magic potion that he used to resurrect Wright's career in Atlanta, (key word Atlanta) this was an underwhelming move by the Orioles. Why Steinbrenner was dumb enough to give this guy three years is beyond me.

I don't think Jaret Wright is a great pitcher, and I did n't think he would be staying with the Yankees in 2007. They dumped him and they got what they could for him. Bravo. They gave up a pitcher with 11 wins for a guy that blew 3 of his 4 save opportunities and had the following stats against the Red Sox:

     Situation IP  W L  ERA SV BB SO 
    vs Boston 5.0 0 0  7.20 0  3 6 
at Fenway Park 2.0 0 0 18.00 0  2 3 

I am pretty comfortable with those stats, and I'm not going to break into a sweat when I see him on the mound. I'll probably be very glad to see him on the mound.

 

Here's Wrights's stats against the Red Sox:

Category W L ERA  G GS CG SHO SV SVO INN   H R ER HR HBP BB SO  AVG 
vs. Bos. 1 1 3.18 4  3  0  0   0  0  17.0 17 6  6  2  1  7  7  .258 

Not too shabby.

Let's not be ready to give Cashman the Executive of the year for shedding salary with Sheffield and Wright. Abreu and Lidle for 3 bags of s***---that was a raping. Praise him for that, but not for these two moves, which are just freeing up finances for his impact moves.

[MC Hammer]

I don't think Jaret Wright is a great pitcher, and I did n't think he would be staying with the Yankees in 2007. They dumped him and they got what they could for him. Bravo. They gave up a pitcher with 11 wins for a guy that blew 3 of his 4 save opportunities and had the following stats against the Red Sox:

     Situation IP  W L  ERA SV BB SO 
    vs Boston 5.0 0 0  7.20 0  3 6 
at Fenway Park 2.0 0 0 18.00 0  2 3 

I am pretty comfortable with those stats, and I'm not going to break into a sweat when I see him on the mound. I'll probably be very glad to see him on the mound.

 

Here's Wrights's stats against the Red Sox:

Category W L ERA  G GS CG SHO SV SVO INN   H R ER HR HBP BB SO  AVG 
vs. Bos. 1 1 3.18 4  3  0  0   0  0  17.0 17 6  6  2  1  7  7  .258 

Not too shabby.

Let's not be ready to give Cashman the Executive of the year for shedding salary with Sheffield and Wright. Abreu and Lidle for 3 bags of s***---that was a raping. Praise him for that, but not for these two moves, which are just freeing up finances for his impact moves.

 

Being able to trade a player who said he would be a major pain in the ass to the team that got him is truely amazing to me. Plus the fact that Sheff is an injury riddled 40 something former roid user. Any trade in which the Yankee were able to get rid of the cancer that is Sheffield is an amazing move.