Sox's 2007 first baseman.

[a700hitter]

Didn't know Nady was a college third baseman; that could change my thinking somewhat. Bagwell? A few years ago I would have done handstands if we could have gotten him but right now? Are we even sure he is healthy? To me that's the key. I'll throw out another name you never thought of. Ryan Klesko. He sat out all of last year except for one full game and one pinch hitting appearance' date=' yet he went 4 for 5 with a homer and double. He might be a real sleeper for us and wouldn't cost us hardly anything. Well, this is the hot stove league talksox version. All the ideas thrown out on the table.[/quote']He's a terrible outfielder. RF in Fenway would eat him up.

[scaffolds]

I agree with 700, don't like him Nady as an OF, but do like him as a first baseman, don't know how healthy Bagwell is, but is worthed doing some research on it.

[seabeachfred]

He's a terrible outfielder. RF in Fenway would eat him up.

 

I won't argue that point 700 because I don't know that much about him, but I will bet you he can play that position better than Wily Mo Pena can. Pena can't play it at all, and for the record, he can't play left field at Yankee Stadium. That I saw with my own eyes.:dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno:

[jsinger121]

I agree with 700' date=' don't like him Nady as an OF, but do like him as a first baseman, don't know how healthy Bagwell is, but is worthed doing some research on it.[/quote']

 

He has an arthritic shoulder.

[Anuj09]

Would Wes Helm be a bad pick up for the sox atleast as a bench player ?

[mar_022]

Would Wes Helm be a bad pick up for the sox atleast as a bench player ?

 

FUK WES HELMS HES GOD AWFUL

[ksushi]

FUK WES HELMS HES GOD AWFUL

 

 

I second that.

[BSN07]

Just a thought here about Youk. If we get a lead off hitter we could expect Youk to drop in the line up. Being a leadoff hitter implies your responsiblity as getting on base and in scoring position for number 3 and 4. With that said would it be that big of a surprise to see Youks power numbers go up now that he isn't leading off? Just a thought.

[BSN07]

What about Tek moving to 1st soon? Maybe not this year but don't they have to consider his knees won't hold out forever? If Kottras is as good as everyone saying, he should be backing up Tek this year and learning step by step the process of handling the pitching staff. Just a thought, what's everyone's thoughts, and it is just an idea don't slam me to bad:)

[seabeachfred]

Would Wes Helm be a bad pick up for the sox atleast as a bench player ?

 

Well Mar gave you your answer on that. I remember Helms as a Braves prospect that never seemed to quite get over the hump before they dumped him. The Braves have always been good in judging who their real god prospects were and were the suspects. Helms was a suspect.

[jacksonianmarch]

I agree with 700' date=' don't like him Nady as an OF, but do like him as a first baseman, don't know how healthy Bagwell is, but is worthed doing some research on it.[/quote']

 

This is how healthy Bags is. Put a gun to your shoulder, pull the trigger, try to hit a baseball. Good enough?

[scaffolds]

Bosoxnation; I have news for you, lead off hitters lead off only once per game, hitters don't hit for more power or less power depending where do they hit in the line up, is either they have power or not. Youkilis isn't going to hit for more power just because he is going to hit eighth in the line up. One more point the Sox do have a lead off hitter his name is Coco Crisp.

[rician blast]

I agree with 700' date=' don't like him Nady as an OF, but do like him as a first baseman, [b']don't know how healthy Bagwell is[/b], but is worthed doing some research on it.

 

i thought you were a scout? wouldn't it be common knowledge among baseball folks that that the guy is a mess?

[seabeachfred]

Bosoxnation; I have news for you' date=' lead off hitters lead off only once per game, hitters don't hit for more power or less power depending where do they hit in the line up, is either they have power or not. Youkilis isn't going to hit for more power just because he is going to hit eighth in the line up. One more point the Sox do have a lead off hitter his name is Coco Crisp.[/quote']

 

 

BSN, if we have a leadoff man named Coco Crisp the only accurate thing about that is that we have Coco Crisp, because as a leadoff man last season he simply stunk to high heaven. His OBA was, what, 325?. He never seemed to able to work the count for a walk and he swung at too many first pitches. He told everyone before the season he wasn't going to change his approach and he sure showed that to us, especially his pathetic 1 for 19 in that ill-fated Yankee series in August. Think if he could have gotten, say two or three more hits, and maybe mixed in a walk or two we could have won a couple of those games? Sorry, Crisp is not a leadoff man because he doesn't have that lead off man's mindset.

[EvilDonut]

I seriously doubt if Coco was 4 for 19 that wed have won 2 games.

[jsinger121]

BSN' date=' if we have a leadoff man named Coco Crisp the only accurate thing about that is that we have Coco Crisp, because as a leadoff man last season he simply stunk to high heaven. His OBA was, what, 325?. He never seemed to able to work the count for a walk and he swung at too many first pitches. He told everyone before the season he wasn't going to change his approach and he sure showed that to us, especially his pathetic 1 for 19 in that ill-fated Yankee series in August. Think if he could have gotten, say two or three more hits, and maybe mixed in a walk or two we could have won a couple of those games? Sorry, Crisp is not a leadoff man because he doesn't have that lead off man's mindset.[/quote']

 

Have you even realized that Crisp was playing hurt all year.

[scaffolds]

i thought you were a scout? wouldn't it be common knowledge among baseball folks that that the guy is a mess?

 

What does this has anything to do with the price of bread. i am a scout, not a doctor. I haven't see bagwell in more than a year, there's a lot of talk of his health issues, but unless you are an inside doctor you don't the actual fact, besides i am a amateur talent and minor league scout not an ML scout.

 

Coco Crisp wasn't healthy after his finger injury, a healthy Coco in 07 will show the same type of player that he was in 04-05.

[seabeachfred]

I seriously doubt if Coco was 4 for 19 that wed have won 2 games.

 

E.D., jog your memory of those games. We actually could have won three of the, the second, third and fifth. Crisp left numerous runners on base in that second game where we blew a four run lead, the third game where we were one out from a win, and the fifth game where we lost 2-1. You right, we couldn't have won two games; we could have won three of them. It was not all his fault but you expect a leadoff man to get on base better than 1 time in 19 tries. Consider he could have stolen a few bases and suddenly that series might have taken a different turn.

[BSN07]

I was just implying his approach might be different.

[EvilDonut]

E.D.' date=' jog your memory of those games. We actually could have won three of the, the second, third and fifth. Crisp left numerous runners on base in that second game where we blew a four run lead, the third game where we were one out from a win, and the fifth game where we lost 2-1. You right, we couldn't have won two games; we could have won three of them. It was not all his fault but you expect a leadoff man to get on base better than 1 time in 19 tries. Consider he could have stolen a few bases and suddenly that series might have taken a different turn.[/quote']

 

True, but you could say that about anyone. I cant remember every situation, but what if Papi homered one more time, What if Becket didnt walk 9 or so, There are a bunch of different what ifs that could of changed the game. But Personally I cut Coco some slack. I want to see him back next year. I think when hes healthy Hes gonna be fine.

[a700hitter]

True' date=' but you could say that about anyone. I cant remember every situation, but what if Papi homered one more time, What if Becket didnt walk 9 or so, There are a bunch of different what ifs that could of changed the game. But Personally I cut Coco some slack. I want to see him back next year. I think when hes healthy Hes gonna be fine.[/quote']...or if the Red Sox had Abreu instead of the Yankees in that series. He had a number of key hits for the Skankees that weekend. Take those away from the Yankees and add a couple for the Red Sox and that weekend series is far from the embarrassing disaster that it was.

[ksushi]

You don't want Bobby Abreu. You think you do, but you don't. If we had Abreu, we wouldn't be able to fill any of our pitching holes this offseason because Abreu is insanely expensive. You don't want to blow 15 million next year on an outfielder when you have one already and you need pitchers.

[a700hitter]

You don't want Bobby Abreu. You think you do' date=' but you don't. If we had Abreu, we wouldn't be able to fill any of our pitching holes this offseason because Abreu is insanely expensive. You don't want to blow 15 million next year on an outfielder when you have one already and you need pitchers.[/quote']We also need a #5 hitter very badly. Abreu would have filled that need with only a 1 year commitment. What do you think Soriano, Lee, or Aramis Ramirez will cost? They'll cost around $15 million over 4 or 5 years. I like the one year commitment better. Plus Abreu is a better RF than Sorian or Lee

[ksushi]

I don't think a #5 hitter was saving our season. Roy Oswalt may have, Bobby Abreu would have been too little too late.

[a700hitter]

I don't think a #5 hitter was saving our season. Roy Oswalt may have' date=' Bobby Abreu would have been too little too late.[/quote']It's all conjecture now, but one thing is for sure and that is any team that managed to get to the playoffs had a chance to win it all. Witness the 83-79 Cardinals.

 

BTW One other thing is certain. The FO threw the 2006 team under the bus on 7/31/06. There were a number of unhappy campers in the clubhouse when no reinforcements were coming. They knew what was going on.

[ksushi]

I don't know. I think they were right not to make moves at the deadline. I'd rather keep my young talent then make an all out push for the playoffs by unloading them. I say that because I have such high hopes for 07 though, if the team doesn't go out and make moves to put us back into playoff contention this offseason than I probably agree with you. If they don't intend on spending, then I'll say maybe some of that young talent should be shipped or could have been, whatever you know what I'm getting at. I just finished a 500 pages novel that I started last night and I'm pretty out of it. Forgive my blah-ness.

[a700hitter]

I don't know. I think they were right not to make moves at the deadline. I'd rather keep my young talent then make an all out push for the playoffs by unloading them. I say that because I have such high hopes for 07 though' date=' if the team doesn't go out and make moves to put us back into playoff contention this offseason than I probably agree with you. If they don't intend on spending, then I'll say maybe some of that young talent should be shipped or could have been, whatever you know what I'm getting at. I just finished a 500 pages novel that I started last night and I'm pretty out of it. Forgive my blah-ness.[/quote']

Plenty of moves were made at the deadline that didn't cost any young talent. Abreu and Lidle cost the Yankees some prospects that will have to buy tickets if they ever want to see a major league game. Craig Wilson cost Shawn Chacon. There were ways to make deadline moves without giving up blue-chippers. The FO sat pat knowing the team was strained to the limits and a collapse was likely even without the injuries.

[example1]

Plenty of moves were made at the deadline that didn't cost any young talent. Abreu and Lidle cost the Yankees some prospects that will have to buy tickets if they ever want to see a major league game. Craig Wilson cost Shawn Chacon. There were ways to make deadline moves without giving up blue-chippers. The FO sat pat knowing the team was strained to the limits and a collapse was likely even without the injuries.

 

I guess. They actually cost the Yankees their first round pick from last year. First round picks often become blue chippers. If the sox traded away Jacoby Ellsbury I would still say they traded "prospects" but to say they won't ever see the majors is a bit of a stretch, at least as predictions go. But its fair enough a700 as we all know that you always value someone who is in the majors over someone who is in the minors due to the uncertainty factors.