Are the Sox good enough for 2007?

[ORS]

The Yankees' date=' without Gary Sheffield AND Hideki Matsui, scored 930 runs. Their replacements, Melky Cabrera and Bernie Williams, had OPS values of .752 and .768. Matsui and Sheffield had OPS's of .887 and .806. I think if the Yankees did not lose those two players, they ABSOLUTELY would have made a serious run at 1000 runs. On that note, go find a pillow and go back to sleep.[/quote']

Bernie (June/July/August): .850/.810/.929

Melky (June/July/August): .608/.833/.850

Abreu (August): .956

 

Doesn't look like you missed much. Sweet dreams, homer.

 

I am of the firm belief that the difference between the Yankees and the Red Sox is significant. I also do not believe that the Red Sox will make up the 11 games [or whatever it ended up being] in the off-season. I just don't see the Red Sox signing, for example, Schmidt and Soriano with the Yankees FO sitting on their collective asses. I think both teams will make moves, and for the most part, they will off-set each other. Barring injuries, and with all players playing according to their expected numbers, I don't see the Red Sox winning the East. In fact, I will say that as it stands now, their is a much greater chance of the Blue Jays finishing ahead of the Red Sox [like last year] than of the Red Sox catching the Yankees.

Here's where you show your ignorance. The Yankees are significantly better than the Sox as the rosters stand right now. That said, the Sox have some holes to fill while the Yankees won't be improving their lineup (so, yes, when it comes to lineups, they have to sit on their collective asses). The difference between these teams will be decided by the pitching staffs. I know you think Beckett is a bust after one bad year, but he showed signs of changing his approach at the end of the year and the results were more consistency. I like a rotation of Schilling, Beckett, Wake, and Papelbon over Wang, Mussina, Johnson, Pavano right now. Who gets who, and how well those who's adjust to AL East will make the difference.

 

Thank you Theo Epstein. By not even COMPETING for Abreau, we got him for a song. Also, because of Abreau, we can now jettison Sheffield, who has worn out his welcome, and get something back for him, while at the same time keeping him away from Boston, where his swing is tailor-made for Fenway. If it wasn't for you, Mr. Epstein, we would be forced to keep him, with his poor defense, lack of clutch hitting, and constant whining about his contract. The fans of the New York Yankees salute you!

 

[Oh, and thanks for Johnny Damon too! They actually bought it in Boston that Crisp would replace him? :thumbsup: ]

What is the purpose of this? I was giving you the benefit of the doubt earlier, and was only giving you a hard time because of how often you fellate yourself on this site. Looks like I was wrong there. You are nothing more than an internet troll, looking for petty kicks trying to piss people off. Grow the f*** up. I know you aren't 12 y/o, but you act like it.

[BSN07]

Well what would make them more competitve right now happened this morning when ARAM opted out of his contract. Should ARAM be Boston's new #1 target? Just some food for thought.

[mar_022]

Well what would make them more competitve right now happened this morning when ARAM opted out of his contract. Should ARAM be Boston's new #1 target? Just some food for thought.

 

absolutely yes. however, i've heard he's already the Angels' primary target, and the cubs really want him back...we'll have to pay out the ass for him

[Gom]

Bernie (June/July/August): .850/.810/.929

Melky (June/July/August): .608/.833/.850

Abreu (August): .956

 

Doesn't look like you missed much. Sweet dreams, homer.

Sorry...but I like to look at the whole season, not just a month or two. You are free to look at it any way you like, that is your choice. I am under no illusion that Bernie Williams is no longer a .900 OPS guy. Wait a second...Matsui came back from an injury, and had a September OPS of 1.092. That conclusively proves that not only he is better, but better than ever! In fact, we should trade him for Vladimir Guerrero...but wait, he only had an OPS of .942 in September...so he is on the decline. If they include K-Rod, maybe we will do it. Go back to sleep, kid.

Here's where you show your ignorance. The Yankees are significantly better than the Sox as the rosters stand right now. That said, the Sox have some holes to fill while the Yankees won't be improving their lineup (so, yes, when it comes to lineups, they have to sit on their collective asses). The difference between these teams will be decided by the pitching staffs. I know you think Beckett is a bust after one bad year, but he showed signs of changing his approach at the end of the year and the results were more consistency. I like a rotation of Schilling, Beckett, Wake, and Papelbon over Wang, Mussina, Johnson, Pavano right now. Who gets who, and how well those who's adjust to AL East will make the difference.

I don't think Beckett is a bust, but he did have a s***** year. That said, I agree with you that your rotation, and overall staff is better than the Yankees. However, the Red Sox will have to split their money on hitting and pitching, while I see the Yankees only spending on pitching. Therefore, my belief is that the Yankees will close the gap on the better Sox pitching more than the Red Sox will improve their pitching and make up the difference in the hitting department. I think that even you will have to agree with that, since you also agree with the assesment that on paper, the Yankees overall have a better 25 man roster.

 

What is the purpose of this? I was giving you the benefit of the doubt earlier' date=' and was only giving you a hard time because of how often you fellate yourself on this site. Looks like I was wrong there. You are nothing more than an internet troll, looking for petty kicks trying to piss people off. Grow the f*** up. I know you aren't 12 y/o, but you act like it.[/quote']

Just a case in point on how you guys tend to believe your press clippings. You are so quick to disdain players on other teams [and more often than not, rightfully so], but believe that other teams want your garbage, which is laughable at best, and ignorant at worst. It's just not the way it works, buddy. I'm tired of hearing Epstein is a God. He is a good GM, but not spectacular. Just like Cashman. Cashman just has more power than Theo, more money, and a more aggressive owner who will allow him to spend more.

 

You guys want to trade Manny. Why? He is one of the best hitters in baseball, and has been for years. Ride his damn contract out, then resign him for less or replace him. You don't hear the Yankees grumble about Giambi, who is nowhere near the hitter Manny is. Your front office convinces you guys of anything they say. You guys ran out more Hall of Famers than most teams could ever dream about having in the first place. Clemens, Pedro, Boggs. Damon is no HOFer, but part of the WINNING attitude you guys had in Boston. Guys like Tek, and Papelbon, and Ortiz, and Manny should NEVER be traded. I'm glad your FO hasn't figured this out yet. With your payroll, you should be winning a World Series at least once every 10 years, not once ever 86.

 

The attitude around the Yankees is what you guys should emulate. Yes, we haven't won a title in six years, but the management in NY looks to put not only a winner on the field during the season, but also in the post-season. Four titles in 10 years isn't bad. Try it some time.

[ORS]

Sorry...but I like to look at the whole season' date=' not just a month or two. You are free to look at it any way you like, that is your choice. I am under no illusion that Bernie Williams is no longer a .900 OPS guy. Wait a second...Matsui came back from an injury, and had a September OPS of 1.092. That conclusively proves that not only he is better, but better than ever! In fact, we should trade him for Vladimir Guerrero...but wait, he only had an OPS of .942 in September...so he is on the decline. If they include K-Rod, maybe we will do it. Go back to sleep, kid.[/quote']

Look at however you need to in order to continue your dellusion. The Yankees got equitable performance from the replacements during the months they lost those two. The numbers back it up.

 

Kid? Funny coming from the guy trolling message boards.

 

Just a case in point on how you guys tend to believe your press clippings. You are so quick to disdain players on other teams [and more often than not, rightfully so], but believe that other teams want your garbage, which is laughable at best, and ignorant at worst. It's just not the way it works, buddy. I'm tired of hearing Epstein is a God. He is a good GM, but not spectacular. Just like Cashman. Cashman just has more power than Theo, more money, and a more aggressive owner who will allow him to spend more.

 

You guys want to trade Manny. Why? He is one of the best hitters in baseball, and has been for years. Ride his damn contract out, then resign him for less or replace him. You don't hear the Yankees grumble about Giambi, who is nowhere near the hitter Manny is. Your front office convinces you guys of anything they say. You guys ran out more Hall of Famers than most teams could ever dream about having in the first place. Clemens, Pedro, Boggs. Damon is no HOFer, but part of the WINNING attitude you guys had in Boston. Guys like Tek, and Papelbon, and Ortiz, and Manny should NEVER be traded. I'm glad your FO hasn't figured this out yet. With your payroll, you should be winning a World Series at least once every 10 years, not once ever 86.

 

The attitude around the Yankees is what you guys should emulate. Yes, we haven't won a title in six years, but the management in NY looks to put not only a winner on the field during the season, but also in the post-season. Four titles in 10 years isn't bad. Try it some time.

Nice off-the-deep-end rant that has nothing to do with what I said. Nothing. I don't expect you to like our FO or the way the media treats them. I do expect you to refrain from baiting people on this message board. Something you seem incapable of doing, kid.

 

EDIT: For clarity, not only does it have nothing to do with what you quoted, it has nothing to do with anything I've ever said.

 

Oh, and one other thing. Yeah, the Yankees have been A-OK with Giambi for his entire contract. It's not like they tried to void it or anything when he had to take a year off to deal with tumors in weird places from steroid use. Man, you do a wonderful job looking like a complete tool. Keep it up.

[Gom]

Look at however you need to in order to continue your dellusion. The Yankees got equitable performance from the replacements during the months they lost those two. The numbers back it up.

 

Kid? Funny coming from the guy trolling message boards.

 

 

Nice off-the-deep-end rant that has nothing to do with what I said. Nothing. I don't expect you to like our FO or the way the media treats them. I do expect you to refrain from baiting people on this message board. Something you seem incapable of doing, kid.

 

I didn't say the Yankees would score 1000 runs. I said they would make a run at it. Although they did get decent production, its not, at least historically, what they would have gotten from Sheffield and Matsui. Are you sitting here telling me that you think Bernie and Melky produced at the same level as Matsui and Sheffield would have? Although possible, I find it highly unlikely.

 

As for my rants, I rant more often AGAINST my team than against your Red Sox. Just see my posts about Pavano, and you will see. I don't come out here to rail against the Sox, rather I come here to have fun. Don't take out your inferiority complex out on me.

 

Plus, I love to rant. If you can't take the heat, well...you know. :harhar:

[ORS]

As for my rants, I rant more often AGAINST my team than against your Red Sox. Just see my posts about Pavano, and you will see. I don't come out here to rail against the Sox, rather I come here to have fun. Don't take out your inferiority complex out on me.

 

Plus, I love to rant. If you can't take the heat, well...you know. :harhar:

What do you mean you don't come here to rail against the Sox? That's all you've done. So, it looks like your source of fun is baiting people on the internet. That is what you are doing, you know that, right?

 

Don't attribute an imagined inferiority complex on me. I'm not one of those tools, like you appear to be, that derives some sense of superiority or inferiority from the team I root for. What I do has nothing to do with them, and what they do has nothing to do with me. You need to dissociate yourself from the idea that rooting for the Yankees makes you anthing other than a Yankee fan.

 

Take the heat? I am the heat, bitch.

[schillingouttheks]

As far as Pavano goes, your ranting against Pavano means nothing. Every single Yankee fan rants against him. Try someone else.

[Gom]

What do you mean you don't come here to rail against the Sox? That's all you've done. So, it looks like your source of fun is baiting people on the internet. That is what you are doing, you know that, right?

 

Don't attribute an imagined inferiority complex on me. I'm not one of those tools, like you appear to be, that derives some sense of superiority or inferiority from the team I root for. What I do has nothing to do with them, and what they do has nothing to do with me. You need to dissociate yourself from the idea that rooting for the Yankees makes you anthing other than a Yankee fan.

 

Take the heat? I am the heat, bitch.

 

Shooting down absurd deals is railing against the Red Sox? You are funny. I'm a Yankee fan. I enjoy it, it doesn't define me any more than rooting for the Red Sox defines you. As for fun, yes, it's fun going back and forth with you Red Sox fans. It keeps baseball alive during the off-season.

 

You seem to have a decent baseball intellect, which is why I actually enjoy your posts. However you do seem to take this s*** a little too seriously, at least to me. You just seem to be blinded a bit by your love for your team, but that is just my opinion.

 

Did you say you were a bitch in heat? Was that what you meant?

[schillingouttheks]

Holy s***. Did you really just say that ORS has red colored blinders on? I actually just chuckled. You rail against the Red Sox by asking if the Red Sox can contend for the AL East title in '07 before the '06-'07 offseason has even officially begun. You keep saying that the Yankees are going to finish above them and are better. Jesus, no deals or signings have even been made yet.

[Gom]

As far as Pavano goes' date=' your ranting against Pavano means nothing. Every single Yankee fan rants against him. Try someone else.[/quote']

 

Lets see...I hate every reliever in the pen except for Myers and Rivera....I can't stand Joe Torre, who, although is a calming influence in the Bronx Zoo, is an absolute moron during in-game management as well as a tool when it comes to using the bullpen, burning them out year after year. I liked Sheffield, but he is worth more to the Yankees in dealing than keeping him [addition by subtraction].

 

The thing that always gets to me is that fans of all teams want to trade their expendable [by this I mean older and/or in decline players] for serviceable players from other teams. I would love to see you guys make deals that involve Youkilis [which you have], MDC, and Hansen. Those are players other teams may want.

 

The Yankees don't have anyone to trade outside of Sheffield. They are not going to move Cano and Wang, their young players, and they won't get equal value for their high priced players. So for us, its free agency or nothing.

[schillingouttheks]

I would have loved to make a package of MDC, Hansen and Coco for Andruw Jones. There was also rumor that we would have flipped Jones to Houston for Oswalt. That would have been sexy.

[Gom]

Here is a question for the Nation. Do you think that next year you will seriously contend [i.e. win] for the Wild Card? Truthfully' date=' I put you guys 6th in the AL right now, after [in no real order'] the Yankees, Tigers, Twins, A's, White Sox.

 

What do you think, and why?

 

Shillingouttheks, this is the original post. Yes, I put the Yankees winning the division right now. I also put the Mets winning the NL East, the AL Central to be a toss up, the A's and Angels to be neck and neck, the Cards still the favorite in the NL Central, and the NL West to be a roll of the dice [i still like the Dodgers the most there].

 

As for your proposed deal...now THAT makes sense for BOTH sides. The Braves get younger, cheaper, and pick up some serious talent for an All-Star, who gets flipped for one of the best pitchers in baseball. Which would be very, very bad news for the Yankees.

 

Are you taking notes ORS?

[ORS]

Shooting down absurd deals is railing against the Red Sox? You are funny. I'm a Yankee fan. I enjoy it' date=' it doesn't define me any more than rooting for the Red Sox defines you. As for fun, yes, it's fun going back and forth with you Red Sox fans. It keeps baseball alive during the off-season.[/quote']

Oh, so now all you do is shoot down absurd trade propsals? Was that before or after you started a thread about how the Sox are relegated to vying for the WC? Before or after your childish taunt about Epstein not getting Abreu or signing Damon? Before or after trying to rub the success of the team you root for in our noses? Better yet, before or after you introduced yourself as our messiah of "enlightenment" while saying all Sox fans are idiots, but we seem alright?

 

You seem to have a decent baseball intellect, which is why I actually enjoy your posts. However you do seem to take this s*** a little too seriously, at least to me. You just seem to be blinded a bit by your love for your team, but that is just my opinion.

I don't take anything too seriously. I just find you annoying. You are full of youself, but even worse, full of s***. You talk out of both sides of your mouth, cockily make assertions that aren't backed by fact, ridicule the musings of others (again with out much factual support), and generally enjoy being a nuissance.

 

And, that's before considering the fact that you are Yankee fan.

 

Red Sox vs. Pinstripes has nothing to do with this. I'm amicable with other Yankee fan posters here. This is all about you, Cochise. You suck.

 

Did you say you were a bitch in heat? Was that what you meant?

Is that it? Weak.

[Gom]

Oh' date=' so now all you do is shoot down absurd trade propsals? Was that before or after you started a thread about how the Sox are relegated to vying for the WC? Before or after your childish taunt about Epstein not getting Abreu or signing Damon? Before or after trying to rub the success of the team you root for in our noses? Better yet, before or after you introduced yourself as our messiah of "enlightenment" while saying all Sox fans are idiots, but we seem alright?[/quote']

 

ORS, you seem to have trouble with reading comprehension. I asked if the Red Sox were good enough to contend for the wild card...lets see...maybe because the Red Sox finished with a worse record than SEVEN other teams in the AL. Hmm...I know, I know, sounds far fetched. My mistake. How can the Yankees keep from falling 11 games back behind the Red Sox. Next...

I don't take anything too seriously. I just find you annoying. You are full of youself, but even worse, full of s***. You talk out of both sides of your mouth, cockily make assertions that aren't backed by fact, ridicule the musings of others (again with out much factual support), and generally enjoy being a nuissance.

I find it actually quite funny that I bother you as much as I do. I'd love to hear some examples of what you state, except for the notion of being full of s***. I've been told that often, but only by females.

And, that's before considering the fact that you are Yankee fan.

Now, THAT was FUNNY.

Red Sox vs. Pinstripes has nothing to do with this. I'm amicable with other Yankee fan posters here. This is all about you, Cochise. You suck.

I like to believe I am amicable with others. I ridicule those that leave ridiculous posts. I enjoy playing devil's advocate. I am, after all, a disciple of the Evil Empire.

 

Don't hate me because I'm beautiful.

[ORS]

ORS' date=' you seem to have trouble with reading comprehension. I asked if the Red Sox were good enough to contend for the wild card...lets see...maybe because the Red Sox finished with a worse record than SEVEN other teams in the AL. Hmm...I know, I know, sounds far fetched. My mistake. How can the Yankees keep from falling 11 games back behind the Red Sox. Next...[/quote']

Is this your defense? What happened last year? No roster changes? No recognition of the fact that, despite being penciled in for 1000 runs, the Yankees needed half of the Sox rotation and part of its lineup to come up lame before surpassing them in the standings? Again, when you place them in second without observing roster turnover or giving an honest assessment of the previous year, you are just doing because that is what you want. You want the Sox in second, and you want us to hear it.

 

I find it actually quite funny that I bother you as much as I do. I'd love to hear some examples of what you state, except for the notion of being full of s***. I've been told that often, but only by females.

Again with the woman jokes. What's next, gonna call me gay? Oh, I know, make fun of my mom. Wanna fight over who gets to use the swing next?

 

Your taunts are rather, elementary (schoolish), my dear Watson.

[jacksonianmarch]

right now, the sox are way behind the yankees. Much to come, we shall see what happens.

[Gom]

Is this your defense? What happened last year? No roster changes? No recognition of the fact that, despite being penciled in for 1000 runs, the Yankees needed half of the Sox rotation and part of its lineup to come up lame before surpassing them in the standings? Again, when you place them in second without observing roster turnover or giving an honest assessment of the previous year, you are just doing because that is what you want. You want the Sox in second, and you want us to hear it.

 

 

Again with the woman jokes. What's next, gonna call me gay? Oh, I know, make fun of my mom. Wanna fight over who gets to use the swing next?

 

Your taunts are rather, elementary (schoolish), my dear Watson.

Honestly, now I think you are an idiot. For the love of God, I asked an open-ended question about how the Red Sox intend to contend, considering that MORE TEAMS FINISHED AHEAD OF YOU IN THE AL THAN BEHIND YOU. Sure, the Red Sox underachieved, but good teams find a way. See the Yankees and the Mets, and how they made it, even with key injuries. Sorry, OH WISE ONE. How dare I say the Sox need to improve to get the wild card? It must be blasphemy to suggest anything other than a division title, something you haven't done in well over a decade.

 

Did you ever think that maybe it was the damn injuries to two key Yankees, and the emergence of a fantastic rookie closer that few, if any, foresaw, that gave you ANY chance at all this year? You guys dropped ten games in the standings from the previous year, due to injuries, idiocy by your front office, and the overall aging of the key players of your team. Yet I am the moron.

 

Come to New York, ORS, I'll give you a good deal on a bridge. Real cheap.

[jacksonianmarch]

Right now, everyone is 0-0. As it stands today, the sox are no worse than anybody, but on paper they look weaker than many teams due to their utter lack of pitching and sudden deficiencies on offense. BUT, there is so much to come as well as so much maturation to come that to speculate about anything is premature to say the least. Now drop it, ok?

[Gom]

It was simple conversation, an open forum to have fun and discuss things, come up with potential deals, etc. That's what I wished it was, and still do.

 

Anyways, Schillingouttheks, I think that the deal you brought up is a winner for everyone involved except the Yankees...hope Theo doesn't see it, lol.

[a700hitter]

Right now' date=' everyone is 0-0. As it stands today, the sox are no worse than anybody, but on paper they look weaker than many teams due to their utter lack of pitching and sudden deficiencies on offense. BUT, there is so much to come as well as so much maturation to come that to speculate about anything is premature to say the least. Now drop it, ok?[/quote']

A team without a SS, a closer, a fifth starter, and a fourth outfielder would have difficulty competing during the season, but somehow I think those holes will be filled before the end of March. It's how those holes are filled that will determine how they will compete.

[Gom]

How do you see the Sox filling them? By the way, how good is this Pedroia [sp?] supposed to be?

[example1]

How do you see the Sox filling them? By the way' date=' how good is this Pedroia [sp?'] supposed to be?

 

Here's what I see happening:

 

SS: Sox sign Lugo. Sox fans won't fall in love with him and won't be patient if he sucks, but his speed is exciting and he has a little pop and certainly isn't BAD in the field.

 

CP: Sox try to work out a deal for Brad Lidge or Aaron Heilman. They hold on to Keith Foulke and have Hansen as the 3rd option.

 

SP: They push very hard to land one of the big 3. I get the sense that they're serious about Matsuzaka, partcularly since, when it comes down to it, he's a risk that is only really feesable for a big money team. I believe the mariners rumors I have read about them not being all that interested. Like someone else mentioned here earlier, Schmdt would probably be a similar salary but you know what you're getting and you don't have to pay the outrageous posting fee. Personally, I'd be excited about next year if we got either of them. Schilling, Beckett, Schmidt/Matsuzaka, Papelbon, Wakefield would be a fine rotation. If Lester's around either use him as long relief or put him in Wakefeld's spot (probably the latter).

 

OF: I am starting to doubt that the sox are going to move Manny. I'm actually pretty confused as to what direction they're going in with their zip-loc seal on the FO's goings-ons. If we keep Manny then get Ramirez (Aramis) and send Lowell plus most of his salary for a young OF option. If you move Manny (say for Heilman and Milledge) then Milledge or Crisp becomes your 4th OF, each of them having something to offer. Line Ellsbury up behind Milledge and you're looking at a nice core of young OFs in Crisp, Ellsbury, Milledge and Wily Mo. This would be particularly so if Milledge continues to develop power like some beleve he will.

 

We're talking about a savy team here. They can make deals happen, but the more they try to be stingy the more they run the risk of having deals slip out of their grasp. I think if they go in 15% more aggressvely than the past few years they will pull off a number of good moves, expected or completely out of the blue.

 

 

Pedroia; the word on Pedroia from what I've seen and heard and read is that he's a high OBP guy. He's very small and has a good eye. He also has decent gap power but nothing substantial (i.e., the ball will go to the gaps but not absolute rockets). He is a great fielder with only limited range, which is why many argue about the claim that he is capable of playing SS. From what I observed during his brief stint with the sox it looked a little overwhelming for him at SS, but he looked more than competant at 2B, partcularly with the DP ball and working with Gonzo/Cora (both excellent fielders). He's a scrappy leader type player, and he will probably become a fan favorte without much difficulty after a few good games. He had a tremendous career at Arizona State.

[BSN07]

Yes but in an interview on ESPN during the regular season, I think more towards the beginning, Roy Oswalt talked of retiring in a couple of years. Do we really want to send all those prospects away for someone who isn'sure how long they want to keep playing? If you make the Jones trade fine but keep him.

[BSN07]

Milledge and Heilman huh? For who Manny? I'm not sold on that if manny goes anywhere he has to bring back pitching of major league ready caliber and i'm not to sure of Heilman. I mean I was iffy on trading him to LAA for Ervin Santanna. I'm just saying like I have before I have a hard time believing in trading a sure fire first ballot H.O.F. for potential. And Manny sitting out the last 7 weeks was it really all that bad? Yes if he stayed with it we might have got the wild card but we would have been gone in the first round because of lack of pitching. If he had plpayed and messed the knee up more where it would have needed bigger surgery would it have been worth it for a 1st round exit? I'm glad he shut it down he will be more valuable next season then he would have been the last few weeks of the season this year. Besides come on most fans that know baseball know we didn't have a chance with or without Manny in the line up, yes he's a nut job but let Manny do his thing and hit 35 HRS and knock in 120RBI and I don't care if he comes out to play LF at Fenway in a Tom Brady jersey and flip flops.

[ORS]

Honestly, now I think you are an idiot. For the love of God, I asked an open-ended question about how the Red Sox intend to contend, considering that MORE TEAMS FINISHED AHEAD OF YOU IN THE AL THAN BEHIND YOU. Sure, the Red Sox underachieved, but good teams find a way. See the Yankees and the Mets, and how they made it, even with key injuries. Sorry, OH WISE ONE. How dare I say the Sox need to improve to get the wild card? It must be blasphemy to suggest anything other than a division title, something you haven't done in well over a decade.

 

Did you ever think that maybe it was the damn injuries to two key Yankees, and the emergence of a fantastic rookie closer that few, if any, foresaw, that gave you ANY chance at all this year? You guys dropped ten games in the standings from the previous year, due to injuries, idiocy by your front office, and the overall aging of the key players of your team. Yet I am the moron.

 

Come to New York, ORS, I'll give you a good deal on a bridge. Real cheap.

Being called an idiot by someone with your lack of analytical skills or reason is a wonderful compliment, thanks.

 

After what happened last year, and given the fact that we don't know the full rosters, the position that they have no shot at the division is indefensible. And, even if your intent was benign, your other actions support what I believe, that you are a petty individual who gets kicks out of being a nuissance on the internet. It's time to grow up or go away, son.

 

Back on topic:

 

I've been wary of him due to the questions about adjusting to MLB play, but I'm starting to warm to Matsuzaka. He's the youngest of the big 3 available, and he'll only cost money, not potential talent (draft picks). If he busts, the Sox are one of the few that can absorb it. If not him, then they should go for Schmidt and stay away from Zito.

[BSN07]

I'm also starting to warm up to the idea of Matsuzaka. I've been reading on him more and more and it looks as tho he has way higher potential the any of imports before him. With a mid 90's fastball and from what I hear great comand of off speed stuff and only being what 26? Then maybe this is the one we should go after. I don't think it will take 30 million to talk to him either. It's just the Seibu Lions blowin smoke up MLB's back side so that they get as big a pay day as him. The hole bling bid is the biggest skam i've ever heard of.

[BSN07]

For 30 million you should beable to buy the hole Seibu Lions Team! Just some thoughts.

[Gom]

Being called an idiot by someone with your lack of analytical skills or reason is a wonderful compliment, thanks.

 

After what happened last year, and given the fact that we don't know the full rosters, the position that they have no shot at the division is indefensible. And, even if your intent was benign, your other actions support what I believe, that you are a petty individual who gets kicks out of being a nuissance on the internet. It's time to grow up or go away, son.

 

Back on topic:

 

I've been wary of him due to the questions about adjusting to MLB play, but I'm starting to warm to Matsuzaka. He's the youngest of the big 3 available, and he'll only cost money, not potential talent (draft picks). If he busts, the Sox are one of the few that can absorb it. If not him, then they should go for Schmidt and stay away from Zito.

 

I lack analytical skills, and I like to play, I don't want to go away! ROFL!

 

Anyways, like you said, back on topic.

 

Zito would be a nightmare in Boston. He would be a good fit in N.Y. I'm not sure if Matsuzaka is worth the money for any team. However, Zito and Matsuzaka are only one year apart I believe, and Matsuzaka has logged a lot more innings in his career. I think that Matsuzaka is going to have a Zito-type season, with more strikeouts.

 

I think moving Manny for Heilman and Milledge is a bad move for the Sox. Milledge, in my opinion, is a high potential for bust, and Heilman isn't as good as you guys think he is. Another example of the NY media hyping their own.

 

I think if the Sox move Manny, they are done next year. Ortiz has his moments, especially against us, but Manny has no holes in his swing. The guy is one of the most phenomenal hitters I have ever seen, and probably the second best outfielder in your history, after Ted Williams.

 

I think the Sox are the dark horse/sleeper for Matsuzaka. What I mean by that, is nothing is really coming out of Boston about him. That worries me. Makes me think of the quiet before the storm. Putting Matsuzaka in there, with an improved Beckett, healthy Schilling and Wakefield, and the AL East gets very interesting all over again.

 

Here's a juicy thought...what happens [i truly don't know the answer to this one, help me out if you know]...if 29 bids are pulled, and the Red Sox have the highest bid for Matsuzaka at $25 million...and then the last bid drawn from the hat is the Yankees bid...and it is for $25 million. What the hell happens there?

 

I think it woud be one of the funniest things to ever happen in free agency.

[BSN07]

Yes I agree that would be amusing. There won't be 29 bids, only a handful of teams will be biding for Matsuzaka. Seatlle released a Statement saying the owner has decided on not pursuing him. Besides do you expect teams like Tampa, Kansas city and thoses teams to bid? And yes this very well could be the quiet before the storm, I think the sox bid 28 million, and sign him for 5 years 65-75 million. This is just a flat out guess on my part ,don't read too much into it.