A-rod for Manny straight up?

[yankeessuck013]

I'll probably get blasted for saying this but, It is a good fit: A-Rod moves back to SS, his natural position, and we solve our need at SS for awhile with a good-fielding, good-hitting player with the power to make up for the loss of Manny's bat. A-Rod gets the new venue he desparately needs. Manny gets the spotlight he craves (and can rejoin his pal Johnny D). Then we get a CFer and move Coco to LF. We get better overall offense and defense, and can focus our attention on the pitching staff that failed us so miserably.

 

A-rod's production (excluding postseason) is the closest to Manny's we can get.

 

I doubt it will happen unless 1 or 2 more teams were involved, but its just an idea.

 

I have a feeling that Theo has 1 or 2 blockbuster trades up his sleeve this winter.

[v2freak]

A-Rod's my least-disliked Yankee, but I still wouldn't do it.

[a700hitter]

I'll probably get blasted for saying this but, It is a good fit: A-Rod moves back to SS, his natural position, and we solve our need at SS for awhile with a good-fielding, good-hitting player with the power to make up for the loss of Manny's bat. A-Rod gets the new venue he desparately needs. Manny gets the spotlight he craves (and can rejoin his pal Johnny D). Then we get a CFer and move Coco to LF. We get better overall offense and defense, and can focus our attention on the pitching staff that failed us so miserably.

 

A-rod's production (excluding postseason) is the closest to Manny's we can get.

 

I doubt it will happen unless 1 or 2 more teams were involved, but its just an idea.

 

I have a feeling that Theo has 1 or 2 blockbuster trades up his sleeve this winter.

...or maybe Steinbrenner fires Cashman and Luchino hires him. I would n't mind seeing that. I am not advocating firing Theo, but Cashman is the PH.D. Professor and Theo is an undergraduate. If he were to become available and the Sox were to grab him, I would not be unhappy.

[Cocos Disciples]

No. Actually, after A-Rod's clutch performances in the playoffs, maybe. And we gain so much room to wiggle with in the free agent market! And the FO would be hated for years!

[yeszir]

Consider this to be me blasting you.

[BoSox34]

It's a nice idea but consider this about as likely as acquiring Steve Irwin as next year's closer.

[Cocos Disciples]

Or monkeys flying out of my ass?

[Jon_Papelboner]

As bad as A rod is, and he's really bad, We can do a lot better than Manny.

[yankeessuck013]

As bad as A rod is' date=' and he's really bad, We can do a lot better than Manny.[/quote']

 

no one else would replace a-rod's production like manny, not to mention a defiite upgrade in the postseason.

[mtbykr]

Ya that trade wouldn't come back to haunt us:blink:

[example1]

...or maybe Steinbrenner fires Cashman and Luchino hires him. I would n't mind seeing that. I am not advocating firing Theo' date=' but Cashman is the PH.D. Professor and Theo is an undergraduate. If he were to become available and the Sox were to grab him, I would not be unhappy.[/quote']

 

Just out of curiosity what makes you say this? What did Cashman do that was brilliant or anything above throwing TONS of money at guys who haven't come through?

[a700hitter]

Just out of curiosity what makes you say this? What did Cashman do that was brilliant or anything above throwing TONS of money at guys who haven't come through?

He's outsmarted our FO on a number of occasions. The most prominent example was the Johnny Damon fiasco. The Red Sox thought they would have a right of first refusal if Damon got any other offers, but Cashman put Damon and his agent in a corner by giving them a take it or leave it proposal and they effectively shut the Red Sox out of any possibility of a counter-offer. They also shut out the Red Sox from making a counter offer on Abreu and they landed themselves a #3 hitter at the trading deadline. We need a RF going into next year, and Abreu would have fit the bill quite nicely. He is a good fielder, base runner and hitter that would have filled our need for a #5 hitter. The FO put out that cover story that in order to pay Abreu his $17 million it would have cost $27 million to cover for the fact that Cashman had outmaneuvered them again. We need a #5 hitter. What do we think Soriano, Lee or Sheffield will cost? They will not be much cheaper than $17 million a year and they will want a 4 year commitment. Abreu would have been a one year deal. Also, he is a much more patient hitter than the others as well as a better fielder and base runner.

 

Look at the young players that have become stars Wang and Cano. I don't think these guys went through the draft process. Cashman deserves full credit for bringing them in. When the Yankees need to fill a hole, he finds a way to fill it, and it doesn't always cost a load of $. Brian Bruney, Tanyon Sturtze, Aaron Small, Shawn Chacon and yes even Al Leiter were inexpensive acquisitions that made great contributions to the Yankees over the last few years. What has our FO done? Wade Miller, Jason Johnson and...?

[SCM33]

As bad as A rod is' date=' and he's really bad, We can do a lot better than Manny.[/quote']

 

First off....

 

he hit .290, with 35 HR and 121 RBI with 15 SB. Thats not bad, thats actually very good. Second off, you can't do better because no other team will take that salary unless you plan on taking like 3 or 4 really bad contracts of your own.

[Manny Goes Boom]

As bad as A rod is' date=' and he's really bad, We can do a lot better than Manny.[/quote']

 

Like who?

 

And to this proposition...HELL NO!

[See Red]

He's outsmarted our FO on a number of occasions. The most prominent example was the Johnny Damon fiasco. The Red Sox thought they would have a right of first refusal if Damon got any other offers' date=' but Cashman put Damon and his agent in a corner by giving them a take it or leave it proposal and they effectively shut the Red Sox out of any possibility of a counter-offer.[/quote']

 

The Red Sox not resigning Damon was never about the first year of the deal. You're already back tracking on your Pedro comments when we told you the same exact thing applied to him.

[26 to 6]

A-Rod for Manny straight up?

 

..No thanks. We're not lacking in the power hitting outfielders department. What we need is pitching.

[jacksonianmarch]

I dont think it works for the yankees, im my opinion. They already have Abreu, Matsui, and Damon in the outfield with them trying to get Melky into 140 games next yr too. Also, with Giambi coming off wrist surgery that will keep him rehabbing into spring training, you will have a guy who will likely need to DH half the games. Unless Manny could play 1b, it wont work. Also, if the sox FO is so worried about salary, why would they deal 2 yrs of 21 mil for 4 more yrs of what amounts to 18 mil (7 mil is being paid by Texas and then a bunch of the $$ is deferred).

[a700hitter]

The Red Sox not resigning Damon was never about the first year of the deal. You're already back tracking on your Pedro comments when we told you the same exact thing applied to him.

I am not addressing in my post whether the Damon 4 year contract will be a good one. I was only addressing the fact that the FO got outmaneuvered by the Yankee FO and shutout of the negotiations. Four years $52 million might have been more than the sox were willing to go, but they might have considered some counter-offer if they had the opportunity to keep him from going to they Yankees. Cashman foreclosed all possibilities of a counter-offer. My post was addressing Cashman's skill vs. Theo's. The focus was not on whether Johnny D's contract was good or not. For that, only time will tell.

 

As for back-tracking on the Pedro contract, I am not doing that at all, because the FO didn't do anything worthwhile with the savings. They threw the money away on Clement, Renteria among other cheaper duds. They should have gotten more for the $17 million/year that they saved on Pedro.

[example1]

He's outsmarted our FO on a number of occasions. The most prominent example was the Johnny Damon fiasco. The Red Sox thought they would have a right of first refusal if Damon got any other offers' date=' but Cashman put Damon and his agent in a corner by giving them a take it or leave it proposal and they effectively shut the Red Sox out of any possibility of a counter-offer. [/quote']

 

Cashman put Damon and his agent (who happens to be Scott Boras, I believe) in a corner by offering so much money that they couldn't refuse, and telling them they had 10 minutes to think about it (figuratively). It was the money, not the ultimatum, that coaxed Johnny into choosing NY.

 

They also shut out the Red Sox from making a counter offer on Abreu and they landed themselves a #3 hitter at the trading deadline. We need a RF going into next year, and Abreu would have fit the bill quite nicely. He is a good fielder, base runner and hitter that would have filled our need for a #5 hitter. The FO put out that cover story that in order to pay Abreu his $17 million it would have cost $27 million to cover for the fact that Cashman had outmaneuvered them again. We need a #5 hitter. What do we think Soriano, Lee or Sheffield will cost? They will not be much cheaper than $17 million a year and they will want a 4 year commitment. Abreu would have been a one year deal. Also, he is a much more patient hitter than the others as well as a better fielder and base runner.

 

Abreu WOULD be a nice RF for the sox. He would. However, he ended up NOT winning the WS for the Yankees and costing them a first-round pick from 05. I can see it both ways, particularly as I think Damon will not last 4 years. Damon's greatest strength was his OBP ability and a little power. He's not incredibly fast nor is he a tremendous fielder. He could end up being a head-scratcher like Mussina ('he makes 18 MILLION a year?? Mussina??") by the end of that contract.

 

Meanwhile, I was thinking about it today, Coco Crisp is actually a good player. He's as good as anyone that would be on the CF/Leadoff market this offseason, next offseason, etc., He will have a better year next year and you'll be saying "Johnny who?"

 

Look at the young players that have become stars Wang and Cano. I don't think these guys went through the draft process. Cashman deserves full credit for bringing them in. When the Yankees need to fill a hole, he finds a way to fill it, and it doesn't always cost a load of $. Brian Bruney, Tanyon Sturtze, Aaron Small, Shawn Chacon and yes even Al Leiter were inexpensive acquisitions that made great contributions to the Yankees over the last few years. What has our FO done? Wade Miller, Jason Johnson and...?

 

I didn't say Cashman didn't deserve some credit, but I wouldn't call a guy who has LOST 6 straight world series (as they were odds-on favorite each season) a genius necessarily.

[a700hitter]

Cashman put Damon and his agent (who happens to be Scott Boras' date=' I believe) in a corner by offering so much money that they couldn't refuse, and telling them they had 10 minutes to think about it (figuratively). It was the money, not the ultimatum, that coaxed Johnny into choosing NY.[/quote']Of course it was the money, but Cashman foreclosed any possibility of a counter -offer by the Red Sox. If Cashman was so confident that his offer was a blow-out offer that no team would match or come close to he would not have made it a take it or leave it proposition. It was a very smart tactical negotiating move. You just don't know what might have happened if they had let Damon walk away from the table to sleep on it and seek a counter-offer from the Sox. We'll never know, because Cashman didn't allow it to happen.

Abreu WOULD be a nice RF for the sox. He would. However' date=' he ended up NOT winning the WS for the Yankees and costing them a first-round pick from 05.[/quote']Soriano, Lee or Sheffield will also cost first round picks and they will expect long term contracts. We need a #5 hitter. Abreau would have fit the bill perfectly with only a one year commitment.

Meanwhile, I was thinking about it today, Coco Crisp is actually a good player. He's as good as anyone that would be on the CF/Leadoff market this offseason, next offseason, etc., He will have a better year next year and you'll be saying "Johnny who?"

I'll give Crisp a pass on his offensive performance because of his finger, but he is not a good CF. He consistently breaks late or the wrong way on balls negating the advantage of his speed. Damon is a far superior CF er.

I didn't say Cashman didn't deserve some credit' date=' but I wouldn't call a guy who has LOST 6 straight world series (as they were odds-on favorite each season) a genius necessarily.[/quote']I never said he was a genius, but he is much more effective than Theo.

[Jon_Papelboner]

no one else would replace a-rod's production like manny' date=' not to mention a defiite upgrade in the postseason.[/quote']

 

The yankees need pitching, not offense.

[Jon_Papelboner]

Like who?

 

And to this proposition...HELL NO!

 

Like getting players who could help us. Like starting pitchers and relievers.

[jacksonianmarch]

Like getting players who could help us. Like starting pitchers and relievers.

 

Both teams need pitching. The yankees have only 2 pitchers in their current starting 5 under contract for 07 (Randy and Wang) and those will be their #2 and their #5. Mussina should not be re-upped because he faded late and that is a horrible predictor of performance for an aging, injury riddled, overly expensive pitcher. Wright has a huge buyout, but he either should be traded or bought out as he is not good enough to manuever through an AL lineup and he is death to a pen. Lidle was a good pickup for the reg season, but he shouldnt be in the rotation in the AL anywhere next yr. Pavano is under contract, and he will get a rotation spot next yr, with Hughes being his insurance plan when he hits the DL. Essentially, the yankees will have an open ace position and an open 3 hole and I think they go after Matsuzaka and Zito hard.

 

For the red sox, their ace (Schill) showed serious decline and had wear and tear injury problems really for the first time in his career, which if you see my discussion of Moose, I dont like that. Their 2 (Beckett) should be the 4 or 5 next yr until he either figures it out or gets moved back to the NL. Their 3 hole is open. Their 4 is Wake who is starting to wear down and he isnt as effective as he was in the past. The 5 hole is open. I think the sox should see if they can insert themselves into the Matsuzaka race and if the yankees bid too high, they should chase Schmidt. The 5 hole should be filled either internally or with someone who has the rep of being an innings eater, not a guy who put up good #s in the NL but hardly goes past 6. The sox pen will still be awful next yr and having to rely on them for more than 3 innings every 5th turn is gonna be awful.

 

So, if the yankees or the sox move their enigmatic sluggers, they better get pitching in return.

 

Whoa, whoa, EDIT.

Forgot about Papelbon. Insert him as the 2 and you have a top 2 of schilling and papelbon. The 4 is Wake, the 5 is Beckett. The 3 hole is open, go out and get schmidt. Sorry.

[Mr Crunchy]

our starters are better only if josh beckett can pitch like an adult instead of a little leaguer and paps continues his excellence in a starters roll

[rician blast]

way early to speculate who lands where, but on ESPN one of the "experts" (Olney or one of those guys) was interviewed and indicated the Yankees would be attempting to get BOTH Zito AND Schmidt.

 

wouldn't surprise me in the least of that was their goal.

[Mr Crunchy]

why dont they just let the yankees sign all the free agent allstars at the allstar break

why wait 6 months and inflate the salaries

[MC Hammer]

I wouldn't trade Manny for ARod even if they threw in their top 10 prospects.

 

A guy who makes that much money ... and hits 8th in the playoffs ... no thanks.

[riverside sluggers]

I am not addressing in my post whether the Damon 4 year contract will be a good one. I was only addressing the fact that the FO got outmaneuvered by the Yankee FO and shutout of the negotiations. Four years $52 million might have been more than the sox were willing to go' date=' but they might have considered some counter-offer if they had the opportunity to keep him from going to they Yankees.[/quote']

 

The Sox FO didnt know the offer on the table was from New York, all they knew that it was a 5 year deal. As for Theo, he wasnt officially back on board to handle with resigning Damon. Maybe your blame lies instead towards the rookie GMs & wimpy John Henry

[Cityofchampions33]

Schill, Beckett, Papelbon, Wake, and a FA is not a bad rotation so long s health isn't an issue. I know we can't expect a 20 win/3.00 ERA from Schill anymore but he should still be effective. Beckett has hopefully learned a lot from last year and will take the ceremonial passing of the ace, as this is Schill's last season pitching. Papelbon should do fine, but I don't expect stupendous results, and same goes for Wake.

I'd like to go after Zito, preferabley because he has experience in the AL, while Matsuzaka and Schmidt do not. However, that being said, hitters don't have experience against either of the other two. In order I'd like Zito, Matty, and then Schmidt. I'd be happy with all of them.

For offense, I hope we can coax Manny to stay for one more season, and bring in carlos Lee to form a very good 3-4-5 which was missing last season. That's over 100 HRs and 400 RBIs. Coco is an auto upgrade over himself, as the injury took a lot out of his hand-speed, which is crucial for him. Pedroia I ahve faith in, and hpefully he can provide a good amount fromthe 8th spot. Lowell if he has anything of a season will be somewhat usefull. Tek needs to have a comeback season, but his presence behind the plate is more than enough.

[castigs850]

Well, since when do the RedSox and Yankees make blockbuster trades like this with each other?