ALDS: Tigers/Yankees Series Thread

[Moose]

Ouch Johnny...

[riverside sluggers]

Game!!

[Youk Of The Nation]

Series knotted 1-1.

[Cocos Disciples]

Tigers come in and split, just what they needed.

[Jon_Papelboner]

A rod is a f***ing bitch motherf***ing ******* faggot and i hate him.

[Mr Crunchy]

and what a bargain at 25,000,000.00 a year

[Jon_Papelboner]

Could be worse.

[Cocos Disciples]

How?

[Cityofchampions33]

Now the Tiegrs have teh advantage as they ahve the betetr starters going home. Go Tigg's, ecause honestly, you'd ahve to be on crack to hope for RJ to pull thru

[RedSoxRooter]

What?

 

Anyway, took the afternoon off to watch the game at ESPNZone on the huge screen. Great game. Typical Yankee postseason offense.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

I was at todays game and Zumya is f***ing nails. 102 MPH on the board at the stadium. A-Rod will get the brunt of the blame for todays game but Cano was s*** and so was Sheffield. For game 3 I would bench Sheffield, play Bernie at DH and move Giambi to 1B.

 

Now the Tiegrs have teh advantage as they ahve the betetr starters going home.

Randy Johnson throwing right handed with a broken back is better then Kenny Rogers vs the Yankees and in the post season.

[yankeessuck013]

i never agreed with joe putting sheff at 1B after he only played there the last 12 games of the yr

 

phillips would have made that play (jeter throwing error) easy, giambi would of had a better chance than sheff too...

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

i never agreed with joe putting sheff at 1B after he only played there the last 12 games of the yr

 

Its risky and with him not hitting at all its not worth keeping him there right now. With a lefty starting I would like to get Bernie's .549 SLG vs left handed pitching in the lineup.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

I think Keith Law pretty much had a good summary of todays game:

 

Yankees miss golden opportunityposted: Thursday, October 5, 2006 | Print Entry

 

The story of Game 2 isn't so much the Tigers beat the Yankees as it is the Yankees beat themselves with an embarrassing performance. The final score was 4-3, but it could have been 4-0 just as easily.

Justin Verlander allowed 11 baserunners and just three runs, thanks in no small part to a few terrible at-bats by various Yankees. Here are a couple of examples:

 

• First inning, Johnny Damon on first, Verlander already looking like his control is shaky. So Derek Jeter tries to bunt -- for a sacrifice or a hit, I'm not sure. Even if it was for a hit, it's incredibly foolish. Let Verlander walk you, and even if the count ends up 0-2, you're Derek Jeter, one of the best two-strike hitters in the game.

 

• Fourth inning, first and second, Robinson Cano comes up with Verlander struggling after walking Jorge Posada on four straight 0-2 pitches, none of which was close (even the 0-1 curve looked inside). Cano hacks at the first pitch, undoing a lot of the good the prior hitters had done in elevating Verlander's pitch count and, as it turned out, eliminating a chance to get another guy on ahead of Damon, who homered a few pitches later.

 

• Alex Rodriguez had one bad at-bat, although the story will revolve around the three strikeouts. The strikeout against Joel Zumaya came on a 101-mph fastball, and the first K against Verlander came on a good curveball over the outside corner, one pitch after he fouled a fastball straight back, meaning he was right on it. The at-bat that got me was the called strikeout in the fifth, which also came on a curveball over the outside corner. Verlander got him with a two-strike curve, and his changeup was flat today. If nothing else, A-Rod should have been looking curve on that count, or be prepared to foul it off.

 

Judging by the postgame news conference, Jim Leyland is getting all kinds of credit for "not managing by the book." I'm not clear on what he did that wasn't in the book, or at least in his book. He took the starter out at 100 pitches when the guy was visibly tiring. He used Jamie Walker to get a lefty out, rolled with Zumaya for five outs, then used Todd Jones in a save situation in the ninth. Not going by the book would have meant leaving Zumaya in for the ninth, since the Yankees couldn't sniff him and the thought of using Jones with a one-run lead on the road is (or should be) terrifying. About the only non-book thing the Tigers did all day was Craig Monroe's attempted squeeze play with two outs in the fourth. That's not so much non-book as it is non-smart.

 

Neither starting pitcher impressed.

 

Verlander had great velocity as usual and a good curveball, but his change was flat, and his control and fastball command were both down, as they've been for about six or seven weeks now. He should have been out of the game before the sixth inning, but the Yankees let him off the hook a few times.

 

Mike Mussina, meanwhile, gave the Tigers a huge gift in the seventh when he got ahead of Curtis Granderson 0-2 and didn't throw a single pitch that was out of Granderson's reach. Granderson has very poor strike-zone judgment and will chase stuff way outside the zone on two-strike counts, but Mussina threw three pitches Granderson could reach, including a fastball that was served on a platter. The fastball Carlos Guillen hit out fit the same description.

 

The Yanks should have scored more than three runs off Verlander, and Mussina should never allow four runs to an offense as undisciplined as the Tigers.

 

I HATE with a passion when Jeter bunts in the 1st inning. It drives me nuts. This Yankee offense should not have to manufacture runs and give away outs and BTW Derek you are a pretty good hitter.

[ORS]

The story of Game 2 isn't so much the Tigers beat the Yankees as it is the Yankees beat themselves .....

I don't know which one I hear more, the Yankees gave the game away or Torre did? They never seem to get beat.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

I don't know which one I hear more' date=' the Yankees gave the game away or Torre did? They never seem to get beat.[/quote']

 

What did he say in that article that wasnt true? Did you think Verlander was lights out?

[ORS]

Randy Johnson throwing right handed with a broken back is better then Kenny Rogers vs the Yankees and in the post season.

If I'm a Yankee fan I'm sacraficing chickens in the hope of warding off September Randy. Despite the lineup, I don't like the Yankees chances of getting out of the first round if Wright is on the bump in an elimination game.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

If I'm a Yankee fan I'm sacraficing chickens in the hope of warding off September Randy. Despite the lineup' date=' I don't like the Yankees chances of getting out of the first round if Wright is on the bump in an elimination game.[/quote']

 

Thats kinda obvious but I'm not jumping off a bridge yet knowing who the Tigers are throwing in game 3. Game 3 has a score of 15-10 written all over it.

[ORS]

What did he say in that article that wasnt true? Did you think Verlander was lights out?

I didn't watch it because I was at work, and I didn't read beyond that first sentence because I knew it was a load crap. The Tigers played well enough to win, the Yankees didn't. If you don't play well enough to win, you get beat. Saying the Yankees beat themselves takes all the credit away from the Tigers. Are you saying they didn't deserve to win that game?

[26 to 6]

If you're a baseball fan' date=' you've got to admit, those two innings from Zumaya were fun to watch.[/quote']

I won't say fun just because my team fell victim to him. They were AMAZING though. Ask me after the series (if we win) and i'll probably say they were fun to watch.

[26 to 6]

Now the Tiegrs have teh advantage as they ahve the betetr starters going home. Go Tigg's' date=' ecause honestly, you'd ahve to be on crack to hope for RJ to pull thru[/quote']

Better starters going home? Are you serious? Did you not see Kenny Rogers' name penciled in for Game 3?

 

I was at todays game and Zumya is f***ing nails. 102 MPH on the board at the stadium. A-Rod will get the brunt of the blame for todays game but Cano was s*** and so was Sheffield. For game 3 I would bench Sheffield, play Bernie at DH and move Giambi to 1B.

Definately. Bernie has good numbers against Rogers and Sheff is something like 3-17 (or somwhere around there).

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Are you saying they didn't deserve to win that game?

 

Based on what I saw with my own eyes the Tigers got lucky. In fact Leyland admitted it in his post game comments.

[26 to 6]

I wouldnt go as far as to say they didn't deserve it; but there was definately some luck involved.

[ORS]

Based on what I saw with my own eyes the Tigers got lucky. In fact Leyland admitted it in his post game comments.

Whatever helps you sleep.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

I wouldnt go as far as to say they didn't deserve it; but there was definately some luck involved.

 

I firmly believe you can look at all of the stats and metrics and they point you in the direction of what will most likely happen etc 99% of the time. However what makes baseball impossible to predict is that 1% of luck or whatever you want to call it. Its the same 1% that transformed Aaron Small and Shawn Chacon into big starters for the Yankees in 2005.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Whatever helps you sleep.

[Jon_Papelboner]

The only luck the Tigers received is that we traded soriano for this piece of s*** some call Alex Rodriguez.

[schillingouttheks]

Game 3 Info:

Series: Tied, 1-1

Date: Friday, October 6th, 2006

First Pitch: 8:00pm ET

Venue: Comerica Park, Detroit, Michigan

TV: ESPN

Starting Pitchers:

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/images/baseball/mlb/players/4288.jpg http://i.a.cnn.net/si/images/baseball/mlb/players/3974.jpg

 

http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/mlb/images/team_logos/50x50/nyy.gif#41 Randy Johnson 0-0, -- (17-11, 5.00)

http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/mlb/images/team_logos/50x50/det.gif#37 Kenny Rogers 0-0, -- (17-8, 3.84)

[Jon_Papelboner]

Real battle of the titans tonight. Go yankees

[Jon_Papelboner]

I don't know which one I hear more' date=' the Yankees gave the game away or Torre did? They never seem to get beat.[/quote']

 

A rod always beats us. Can't seem to win against him.