Trot Nixon, the true Boston dirt dog

[CrespoBlows]

pretty close to me in a full season with 600AB pena would get 20HR and nixon would get 12 not much of a difference to me

 

Quit skewering your facts.

 

600/25= 24 HR's compared to Nixon's 12. That's a big difference.

 

Pena's coming off a wrist injury, which affects timing, power, and other mechanics of a swing. This guy is getting closer to his prime. When he was 22, he hit 26 HR's in 340 AB's. That's power.

[riverside sluggers]

pretty close to me in a full season with 600AB pena would get 20HR and nixon would get 12 not much of a difference to me

 

Pena would just get 20 HRs in 600 ABs? Yeah ok, such the stat whiz. Coupled with a wrist injury most of the season, he had 11 HRs in 276 ABs. Couple of years ago he had 26 HRs in 340 ABs. Given a full season, Im willing to bet a good deal he could mash certainly more than just 20 HRs in 600 ABs

[riverside sluggers]

ok ' date=' pena is not a big upgrade over nixon , if anything he's not ,his fielding sucks and his OBP sucks even more not to mention he gets injured alot like nixon so where's the big upgrade? homerun hitter>? [b']BTW jsinger how the hell is pena gonna hit alot of homeruns when this year he only averaged one in 25 AB , wich is not alot better than nixon so wheres all this homerun pop your talking about ? [/b]

 

Pena's last 3 seasons

56 HRs

 

Trot's last 3 seasons

27 HRs

 

Man yeah Trot has him got beat in the power dept. Wrist injury plus inconsistent playing time. Tito gave the starting job back to Trot when he came back even though it was evident he cant hold down a starting job

[Sox Fan on Cape]

hmm, anyone want to tell the last time Trot had 600 AB's. I think he's had too many trips to the DL. Trot is no longer an up and coming young stud, that's just had bad luck. What good days he's had are behind him.

[riverside sluggers]

hmm' date=' anyone want to tell the last time Trot had 600 AB's. I think he's had too many trips to the DL. Trot is no longer an up and coming young stud, that's just had bad luck. What good days he's had are behind him.[/quote']

 

01 & 02 he had seasons of 532, 535 ABs

 

Those are the only 2 seasons he has been able to sustain more than 134 games

[redsoxrules]

Pena's last 3 seasons

56 HRs

 

Trot's last 3 seasons

27 HRs

 

Man yeah Trot has him got beat in the power dept. Wrist injury plus inconsistent playing time. Tito gave the starting job back to Trot when he came back even though it was evident he cant hold down a starting job

 

yeah and pena showed us how healthier than nixon he is

[jsinger121]

yeah and pena showed us how healthier than nixon he is

 

He had a freak Hamate injury....the same injury which Ortiz had as well. Oh and Ortiz wasn't the Mr. Health himself early in his career either. Pena will be fine next year while Trot is very likely to have his skills diminish even more while continuing to get hurt.

[redsoxrules]

the only good thing that pena brings to this team is DH and we have the best in the game now so theres no point, he's got to be one of the worst defensive outfielder out there and like i said earlier his OBP sucks big time

[jsinger121]

Pena's OBP this year was .349 the best of his young career so far. That number with more experience and playing time is likely to go up.

[a700hitter]

Pena's OBP this year was .349 the best of his young career so far. That number with more experience and playing time is likely to go up.

]...or not. His K rate has stayed very consistent throughout his career. Nixon may be through, but WMP is not the answer. He's a hack in RF and will cost us a bunch of runs, and when I said that he couldn't hit the good pitchers, I did n't limit that to Santana quality pitchers. He can't hit the good pitchers on any team's staff. He hits his homer off garbage guys. If you want to have a winning year your guys need to hit the other teams top of the rotation.

[Varitek33]

Trot's carreer is over, WMP's is just beginning.

[pudge]

Trot's carreer is over' date=' WMP's is just beginning.[/quote']Thats what they said about frank thomas .Trots carreer is far from over .trot will get signed by sombody and that team will be glad to have him .

[BeanTown33]

ok sure blame everythign on a wrist injury. sure why not right? you need something to help you sleep better at night. what does a wrist injury have to do with discipline? he will swing at any ball as long as it is in thegeneral vicinity of his body. in the zone or not, he'll swing at the bitch. so all that "power" he has is useless if he isn't making contact with the ball. unless of course, you know something i don't about hitting.... and probably it's impossible to hit the ball if you miss it....

 

Trot gets injured, ok, yea he does. and you're point? the piece of crap has been on the dl this season also. he's only 24 yea and it still took him forever to get back, then he wa sout again. looks real promising for the big dog. he's not even fit to be a dh. i think he's pointless all around, if you really wanna know. there's a reason why Red's fan's are thanking the sox for taking him. if he can't hack it in the NL how is he going to handle the AL? It's all a big waste

[a700hitter]

Trot's carreer is over' date=' WMP's is just beginning.[/quote']Trot was once good. WMP never will be good.

[v2freak]

Ortiz wasn't out for nearly as many games as Nixon OR Pena...

 

And what's with all the talk about HRs? Yeah they're nice, but this calculating is ridiculous. I'd rather have a guy that hits a single 1 of every 3 at bats than have a guy that strikes out 5 times out of 9 and gets a HR once every 20 at bats. (Not comparing Nixon and Pena here, just using examples)

[HeadOfSoxNation]

Thats what they said about frank thomas .Trots carreer is far from over .trot will get signed by sombody and that team will be glad to have him .

 

There was a time when Thomas was argueably the most feared hitter in the game. Comparing him to Trot is like comparing apples to oranges. Thomas can still swing a huuuuge stick, but Trot has never had that kind of power. Power stays longer than other things, things more important to Trot's game.

[pudge]

Your missing my point.Im not comparing them.What i am saying is that alot of people thought frank thomas was all done and he clearly isnt.Some people think trot is done . I dont think so.

[schillingouttheks]

So....he has what to offer? An empty .300 batting average who will offer no protection in any lineup?

[a700hitter]

So....he has what to offer? An empty .300 batting average who will offer no protection in any lineup?

If Trot could still hit .300, he would be valuable to the Red Sox even if he has lost his power, because a high OBP would go along with it. I don't think he can hit .300 anymore. I'll take an empty .300 average with a high OBP. Our leadoff guy Youklis hit only .279 with a slugging % lower than Kevin Millar.

 

http://kizzo.baseball.sportsline.com/players/do-player-compare/10708:390828/ytd:p/tracking/

[riverside sluggers]

If Trot could still hit .300, he would be valuable to the Red Sox even if he has lost his power, because a high OBP would go along with it. I don't think he can hit .300 anymore. I'll take an empty .300 average with a high OBP. Our leadoff guy Youklis hit only .279 with a slugging % lower than Kevin Millar.

 

http://kizzo.baseball.sportsline.com/players/do-player-compare/10708:390828/ytd:p/tracking/

 

Leadoff guys really arent expect to hit for high power, just to get on base. Youk did that at full steam in 1st half of the season. His 2nd half stats are skewed becuase Tito kept moving him through the order because of the vast injuries that cropped up

 

Trot was the expected #5 hitter (expected power), and protection for Manny, Id like someone who could hit 15 or more HRs in that season over an empty .300

[riverside sluggers]

Ortiz wasn't out for nearly as many games as Nixon OR Pena...

 

And what's with all the talk about HRs? Yeah they're nice, but this calculating is ridiculous. I'd rather have a guy that hits a single 1 of every 3 at bats than have a guy that strikes out 5 times out of 9 and gets a HR once every 20 at bats. (Not comparing Nixon and Pena here, just using examples)

 

So your thinking is that Trot will have the better offensive season than Wily Mo in 07 where ever he goes? Im willing to take a wager on that

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[riverside sluggers]

]...or not. His K rate has stayed very consistent throughout his career. Nixon may be through' date=' but WMP is not the answer. He's a hack in RF and will cost us a bunch of runs, and when I said that he couldn't hit the good pitchers, I did n't limit that to Santana quality pitchers. He can't hit the good pitchers on any team's staff. He hits his homer off garbage guys. If you want to have a winning year your guys need to hit the other teams top of the rotation.[/quote']

 

Cliff Lee is a garbage guy on the Guardians staff?

 

Other garbage guys Pena has hit off of: 3 from Maddux, your own Roy Oswalt, previously mentioned Cliff Lee with 2, Paul Byrd, Chris Capuano, 2 from Doug Davis, Matt Morris, Kelvim Escobar, Mike Gonzalez

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6522/batvspit;_ylt=Ape6wZLsOZz7qHa5HQwFxMWFCLcF?year=career&type=Batting

[Mr Crunchy]

i think nixon can still hit .300

but we need more pop from the corner

considering our entire infield wont hit 50hrs and the centerfielder has no power either

[CrespoBlows]

Put Pena in CF. He's a gold glover compared to what he would be in RF. The Red Sox need more bats anyway, bring in Dellucci, and his 25 HR's and put him in RF.

 

Considering our infield won't hit 50 HR's, the Red Sox need Ortiz to play 1st, so they can get another lumbering slugger to place at DH. (Bonds)

[riverside sluggers]

Barry Bonds in Boston is not gonna happen. If the team is trying to move Manny because of his antics & attitude, why would they then acquire probably the most hated player in today's baseball? Its just not gonna happen.

 

The size that Ortiz is, its better to have him as the DH. It might also be the healthier option.

[CrespoBlows]

Barry Bonds in Boston is not gonna happen. If the team is trying to move Manny because of his antics & attitude' date=' why would they then acquire probably the most hated player in today's baseball? Its just not gonna happen. The size that Ortiz is, its better to have him as the DH. It might also be the healthier option.[/quote']

 

Admit it, you'd love to see Barry Bonds batting behind Ramirez or in front of Ortiz. He might be the most hated guy in baseball, but he's also the most feared and one of the best. He posted a .454 OBP this last year, and that's with the rigors of playing LF everyday. I have to believe his numbers would be spiked if he got to play 150 games at DH.

 

It probably won't happen, but it should happen. Bonds would make this the greatest 3-4-5 combination in the history of baseball. There wouldn't be a close second.

[Mr Crunchy]

i admit it

i also admit if you hit 40 125 .300 i will put up with a lot of your ******** too

[v2freak]

So your thinking is that Trot will have the better offensive season than Wily Mo in 07 where ever he goes? Im willing to take a wager on that

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Seems to me that you're going by only HRs. Nixon's OBP is higher and he is a better contact hitter, which I prefer to a guy that hits HRs once every 9 games

 

Even if he hit a HR once every 5 games and he didn't strike out once every 3 at bats, what do you have to say about his fielding? He's got a good arm, that's for sure. But I can't say much else

[CrespoBlows]

If Nixon is willing to accept a 300 AB role, I'd be more than willing to bring him back.

[Anuj09]

Is Eric Byrnes a FA? even though hes a free swinger, he wouldnt be bad for protecting Manny