Trot Nixon, the true Boston dirt dog

[a700hitter]

Cliff Lee is a garbage guy on the Guardians staff?

 

Other garbage guys Pena has hit off of: 3 from Maddux, your own Roy Oswalt, previously mentioned Cliff Lee with 2, Paul Byrd, Chris Capuano, 2 from Doug Davis, Matt Morris, Kelvim Escobar, Mike Gonzalez

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That's not much over 4 years. He hit a 40 year old Maddux that throws about 85. The guys you have mentioned other than Maddux, Oswalt and Lee are not all that good, but even counting them, he's hit 13 out of 59 HRs against these guys. The rest of his HRs must be against real bums. By July 1st, we will be sick of watching him walking back to the dugout with his bat in big spots.

[a700hitter]

Leadoff guys really arent expect to hit for high power, just to get on base. Youk did that at full steam in 1st half of the season. His 2nd half stats are skewed becuase Tito kept moving him through the order because of the vast injuries that cropped up

 

Trot was the expected #5 hitter (expected power), and protection for Manny, Id like someone who could hit 15 or more HRs in that season over an empty .300

You think way too much of Youklis. If he's going to be a leadoff hitter with no speed, he'd better have a an OBP like Boggs. He is not much better than Kevin Millar, and no one is making up a HOF placque for Millar. We need a thumper at 1st. I think we should sign Sheff to play 1st. Youk can come off the bench.

[example1]

Is Eric Byrnes a FA? even though hes a free swinger' date=' he wouldnt be bad for protecting Manny[/quote']

 

 

I think Byrnes has that "dirt dog" mentality with the way he plays the game; that probably explains why I never liked him. Dirt dogs are great, unless you're playing against one.

 

That said, I don't see him as being very good protection for manny in the lineup. If you mean as insurance for possibly losing Manny then, yeah, I hear that. He's way better than Kaplar.

[riverside sluggers]

You think way too much of Youklis. If he's going to be a leadoff hitter with no speed' date=' he'd better have a an OBP like Boggs. He is not much better than Kevin Millar, and no one is making up a HOF placque for Millar. We need a thumper at 1st. I think we should sign Sheff to play 1st. Youk can come off the bench.[/quote']

 

A 13 HR/72 RBI season is something to sneeze at I gather. Id rather offer Lowell to San Diego for Scott Linebrink then move Youk to 3rd base with acquisition of Sheff

 

However If you want to make Youkilis a utility player, Id rather have him be traded so he could actually get starting playing time that he deserves. He just got his first full season in the bigs at age 27.

[riverside sluggers]

Seems to me that you're going by only HRs. Nixon's OBP is higher and he is a better contact hitter, which I prefer to a guy that hits HRs once every 9 games

 

Even if he hit a HR once every 5 games and he didn't strike out once every 3 at bats, what do you have to say about his fielding? He's got a good arm, that's for sure. But I can't say much else

 

If Wily Mo is able to become a 30+ HR guy, it'll alleviate the growing pains he will have adjusting to right field in Fenway Park.

 

Lets put it this way, who would you rather have protecting Manny in the #5 spot

 

Guy who hits empty 300, walks a lot, probably avg 10 HRs/50+ RBIs

Other guy who is projected to have a .275, 25-30 HR/85+ RBI season.

 

Its all about production. Wily Mo will be the better run producer of the 2. Maybe Trotcan be resigned to come in on defense in the late innings. The Sox, while competing with NY, cant continue to start a player who's numbers have been declining 3 straight seasons and is making a routine of going to the DL. Please dont bring up Wily Mo's DL trip this season, as he is still young and that was a freak injury that happened to his wrist (affecting his swing even more)

[Mr Crunchy]

1st legit shot at age 27..whats that tell you

hes a 1st basemen with little power who tailed off at the end of the season

we need more pop from the corners

sandiego isnt paying for lowell unless we eat salary

 

i was surprised by the youks success but hes a carlo quintana type hitter with a better glove

after a great start he stalled both in power avg and obp

did they figure him out in the 2nd half or was he as exhausted as he looked

[riverside sluggers]

1st legit shot at age 27..whats that tell you

hes a 1st basemen with little power who tailed off at the end of the season

 

Sox FO did a bad job of bringing him up... Look at last year, how many times was he brought back and forth?

 

About his 2nd half, it was more due to consistency. In the 2nd half saw players dropping like flies. Tito thought it was smart to keep bumping Youkilis around the lineup (almost every day) instead of the leadoff spot where Youkilis thrived in the 1st half.

[Mr Crunchy]

i cant argue with that assessment and i had no issue with the f/o bringing him up full time either

in fact

he shouldve been here all of last season instead of millar

i do suspect he was beaten up 2nd half

he wasnt figured to play in as many games as he did as jt snow was here as well

but youk just blew his ass outta the water early ,hence his full time gig

 

he is what he is

a nice ballplayer with a good eye and a heart for baseball but skill wise hes not gonna git ya 30hrs and 100rbi

[rician blast]

he is what he is

a nice ballplayer with a good eye and a heart for baseball but skill wise hes not gonna git ya 30hrs and 100rbi

 

 

that's ok...that's why we have Wily Mo Coyote

[a700hitter]

If Wily Mo is able to become a 30+ HR guy, it'll alleviate the growing pains he will have adjusting to right field in Fenway Park.

 

Lets put it this way, who would you rather have protecting Manny in the #5 spot

 

Guy who hits empty 300, walks a lot, probably avg 10 HRs/50+ RBIs

Other guy who is projected to have a .275, 25-30 HR/85+ RBI season.

 

Its all about production. Wily Mo will be the better run producer of the 2. Maybe Trotcan be resigned to come in on defense in the late innings. The Sox, while competing with NY, cant continue to start a player who's numbers have been declining 3 straight seasons and is making a routine of going to the DL. Please dont bring up Wily Mo's DL trip this season, as he is still young and that was a freak injury that happened to his wrist (affecting his swing even more)

It's about producing at the right times to get wins. If they are all producing at garbage time, it will not translate into wins. Wily Mo doesn't hit enough in big spots, nor does he make productive contact to move runners. He waves three times and sits down way too much. Let's forget about the Trot/Wily Mo debate and go in a new direction. Let's say Carlos Lee or Sheffield or both.

[riverside sluggers]

My pipe dream of an 07 roster can only be seen on my saved profile on MLB 06: The Show

 

Catcher- Jason Varitek

Backup-- Rod Barajas

 

1st Base- Kevin Youkilis

 

2nd Base- Dustin Pedroia

 

Shortstop- Alex Gonzalez

Backup-- Alex Cintron

 

3rd Base- Aramis Ramirez

 

Left Field- Alfonso Soriano (If Manny is traded, top pick to replace him)

 

Center Field- Wily Mo Pena

 

Right Field- Gary Sheffield

Backups-- Eric Hinske

David Murphy

 

Lineup:

1. Soriano lf

2. Pedroia 2b

3. Ortiz dh

4. Ramirez 3b

5. Sheffield rf

6. Wily Mo cf

7. Varitek c

8. Youkilis 1b

9. Gonzalez ss

[SCM33]

I remember when I started a thread titled, "Trot Nixon's Power Outage" and got massacred by some for it.

 

Cya later Trot, you never quite filled your expectations, you were overrated, the dirt dog persona is overrated, and you were very overpaid.

 

That being said, he is a tremendous guy and his clubhouse intangibles will be missed. If you wanna come back for 2 years at 1 million per and take a diminished role I would be more than happy to have ya....but your just not good enough, and minus two decent seasons you never were as good as you were supposed to be....not to mention that injuries sought after you like flys on s***.

[SCM33]

I think Byrnes has that "dirt dog" mentality with the way he plays the game; that probably explains why I never liked him. Dirt dogs are great, unless you're playing against one.

 

That said, I don't see him as being very good protection for manny in the lineup. If you mean as insurance for possibly losing Manny then, yeah, I hear that. He's way better than Kaplar.

 

Dirtdog = a player not good enough to be called "above average". A term Boston fans created to make themselves feel better about their team in comparison to NY's high priced roster. A term which should not be used today because the salaries of the teams are very similar.

 

Example: Alex Rodriguez is a pretty boy > Bill Mueller is a dirtdog, hes a PRO

Jason Giambi takes steroids > Kevin Millar is a dirtdog COWBOY UP!

Gary Sheffield is a prick > Trot Nixon is a dirtdog, look at the way he hustles

Alfonso Soriano swings at so many pitches > Mark Bellhorn is wicked smarht, hes

a moneyball dirtdog.

Johnny Damon looks like cocky prick > Johnny Damon is a dirtdog because he runs

into walls and has a long beard and long hair.

[example1]

Dirtdog = a player not good enough to be called "above average". A term Boston fans created to make themselves feel better about their team in comparison to NY's high priced roster. A term which should not be used today because the salaries of the teams are very similar.

 

What the hell are you talking about?

 

2003:

Yankees: 152,749,814

Red Sox: 99,946,500

 

difference: 53 million or so

 

2004:

Yankees: 182,835,513

Red Sox: 125,208,542

 

difference: 57 million or so

 

2006:

Yankees: 194, 663,079

Red Sox: 120,099,824

 

difference: 74 million or so

 

So, what the hell are you talking about saying "A term which should not be used today because the salaries of the teams are very similar."? Why would you tell me what terms should not be used, when you don't know what the hell you're talking about?

 

:dunno:

[SCM33]

What the hell are you talking about?

 

2003:

Yankees: 152,749,814

Red Sox: 99,946,500

 

difference: 53 million or so

 

2004:

Yankees: 182,835,513

Red Sox: 125,208,542

 

difference: 57 million or so

 

2006:

Yankees: 194, 663,079

Red Sox: 120,099,824

 

difference: 74 million or so

 

So, what the hell are you talking about saying "A term which should not be used today because the salaries of the teams are very similar."? Why would you tell me what terms should not be used, when you don't know what the hell you're talking about?

 

:dunno:

 

 

 

Give me a break, both teams spend shitloads of money and we created the term to make ourselves feel better because even though we do spend shitloads of money on players....the yankees spend more, so in spite we say our players play the game harder and earn their money.

[a700hitter]

Dirtdog = a player not good enough to be called "above average". A term Boston fans created to make themselves feel better about their team in comparison to NY's high priced roster. A term which should not be used today because the salaries of the teams are very similar.

 

Example: Alex Rodriguez is a pretty boy > Bill Mueller is a dirtdog, hes a PRO

Jason Giambi takes steroids > Kevin Millar is a dirtdog COWBOY UP!

Gary Sheffield is a prick > Trot Nixon is a dirtdog, look at the way he hustles

Alfonso Soriano swings at so many pitches > Mark Bellhorn is wicked smarht, hes

a moneyball dirtdog.

Johnny Damon looks like cocky prick > Johnny Damon is a dirtdog because he runs

into walls and has a long beard and long hair.

Great points. Even though the Yankees still outspend us by a lot, the term isn't appropriate, because most of our guys are also overpaid. They are no longer dirt dogs. For the money that the FO spent on many of them, they are just s*** bags.

[BeanTown33]

ok can we stop mentioning sheffield and red sox in the same sentence? it's making me sick.... if they bring that walking cock on this team along with his bf i'm done. trot or no trot. the team will be done. it will be crap!

 

about the money.... either way you look at it both teams spend ridiculous amounts of money, no matter who spends more than who. it ain't helping either team, so it's an invalid argument.

[BoSox21]

please, you think there's any chance in hell the yankees are gonna let sheffield be in a Boston uniform next year? Theyll pick up his option and trade him to whoever they want, and eat up like 5 mil on his 13 mil option

[riverside sluggers]

please' date=' you think there's any chance in hell the yankees are gonna let sheffield be in a Boston uniform next year? Theyll pick up his option and trade him to whoever they want, and eat up like 5 mil on his 13 mil option[/quote']

 

With Sheffield tearing up Torre & the Yankees organization... I dont think they'll look to pick up his option just so they can trade him. Im not counting out the possibility of him being with Boston next year (especially if Manny is traded). He sure as hell will be fueled to have revenge against another former team of his.

 

As a human being, I just have utter dislike for him. But god damn his swing is perfectly fit for 81 games at Fenway Park.

[jacksonianmarch]

With Sheffield tearing up Torre & the Yankees organization... I dont think they'll look to pick up his option just so they can trade him. Im not counting out the possibility of him being with Boston next year (especially if Manny is traded). He sure as hell will be fueled to have revenge against another former team of his.

 

As a human being, I just have utter dislike for him. But god damn his swing is perfectly fit for 81 games at Fenway Park.

 

The Yankees cannot have him on their team next yr and have him coexist with Lou. Not gonna hapen. BUT, he could have some serious value at 7-8 mil next yr and I guarantee a team like the Angels or Padres would love to get him and would be willing to send top line pitching, either as prospects or current MLB talent. I dont see the angels moving weaver or ervin at any point, but the padres may consider Chris Young if they can convince Boomer to play one more yr. It will be a fun october in the northeast as both teams look to deal their powerful outfielders for pitching.

[ORS]

The Yankees cannot have him on their team next yr and have him coexist with Lou. Not gonna hapen. BUT' date=' he could have some serious value at 7-8 mil next yr and I guarantee a team like the Angels or Padres would love to get him and would be willing to send top line pitching, either as prospects or current MLB talent. I dont see the angels moving weaver or ervin at any point, but the padres may consider Chris Young if they can convince Boomer to play one more yr. It will be a fun october in the northeast as both teams look to deal their powerful outfielders for pitching.[/quote']

I'm not tracking here. I don't see the Yankees signing him and then trading him. Nor do I see him signing and accepting a trade. If they don't pick up his option, I think he'll hit the market and the teams you mentioned will only have to give up cash to get him, not talent.