August 21 vs New York

[Pesky]

The offense is not the main reason the Sox have lost 4 straight to the Yankees

 

Did I say it was THE reason? All I said it hasn't really done anything to help out either.

 

Timlin main point was that when the pitching gives a good outing, the offense never gives them any support. He is right. He didn't say the pitching has been amazing, and the offense has sucked, he said when we get a good outing, we don't score runs. What is better proof than today's game?????

 

The bullpen takes the brunt of the blame, the offense should take some too. They had the chance to pick up the team, even after Paps and co. blew it, but they blew it as well.

 

Besides Ortiz, Manny and DFA, the offense has been despicable.

[redsoxrules]

5 runs...wow! Then stranded 3 men in the 9th. How about scoring double diget runs when we get a good outing? They left 13 men on base, including 6 left in scoring position. They've stranded 41 batters in 4 games. That is bad. No big hits what-so-ever.

 

The pen should take most of the blame, but the offense has to take a lot of it as well.

 

THEY COULDN'T SCORE A f***ING RUN OFF OF CORY FREAKING LIDLE!!!!!!!!!! That is almost worse than allowing 7 runs in 1 inning.

 

3rd highest scoring team in the league enough said

[a700hitter]

in your eyes that may be true...but it's not your money, right?

 

That's where the issue lies, its not about a better move by the Yanks, it comes down to either (1) ability to assume $17m or (2) willingness to assume $17m.

 

The Sox just don't spend that way either out of financial constraints or obligation to their investors.

 

it's just the way it is...some things will never change.

As a fan that supports this team with his wallet in a big way, I am a paying customer. making the paying customers happy should be a primary concern for the team. Your response of "it's not your money" is just so childish. My point is that Abreu at $17 million is a better value than garbage at $3 million. That would be my judgment if I was in control of their budget. We've thrown alot of $ around on garbage like Hinske, Johnson, Lopez, and Clement. When you start adding it up the garbage cost is quite high. Instead of buying all this garbage, I'd rather have a $17 million Abreu. That's the point. I think they made a mistake in judgment in valuing the garbage. The point is not that it is or isn't my money. That's such a childish response.

[a700hitter]

Can Krapler get a hit?

[Cocos Disciples]

Guys, offense is not the problem with our team. Schilling and Wells have been the only guys to give us respectable performances in recent memory (seriously, when was the last time someone else made a quality start? July?). Sure, 0 runs today, but when you average 6 runs over 4 games and you lose all, you're bad.

[a700hitter]

No

[Pesky]

3rd highest scoring team in the league enough said

 

NO!

 

THEY CAN'T f***ING SCORE ONE RUN WHEN THE PITCHING HANDS THEM A GREAT OUTING. I KNOW THEY'VE SCORED LOTS OF RUNS, BUT THEY NEVER EVER EVER EVER GIVE ANY SUPPORT WHEN WE GET A GOOD OUTING. I REALLY DON'T CARE HOW MANY RUNS THEY SCORE, I CARE WHEN THEY SCORE THEM.

 

CORY f***ING LIDLE. 0 RUNS SCORED OFF OF HIM.

 

WHY CAN'T THE OFFENSE DO ANYTHING WHEN WE GET A GOOD OUTING?

[riverside sluggers]

10 LOB thru 7

[rician blast]

Fenway is a doubles park, doubles mean lots of runs scored. that helps.

Away from Fenway, too, this team does put up a lot of runs.

 

what has been missing, as I've said before, is TIMELY hitting. Liek the other night...1st and second in the bottom of the 9th...no outs...and you don't score? Ya can't have it.

 

Same clearly goes for the pitching. Take a 10-7 lead and blow it? Or up 5-3 in the eight and can't hold it?

 

This team is flawed in numerous areas.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

As if this Red Sox team couldn't get worse...they aren't going to score a run today.

 

I'm at a total loss for words. At this point I say the Red Sox trash the season and bring up a bunch of young guys.

 

....at least it would be interesting to watch again. These games aren't even fun....I'm sitting here just waiting for this game to get over so I can add another loss to the column.

[redsoxrules]

the pitching staff ERA in august is at 6.35

[mtbykr]

this is just brutal. a great outing and we can't score A run---wow

[ORS]

Did I say it was THE reason? All I said it hasn't really done anything to help out either.

 

Timlin main point was that when the pitching gives a good outing, the offense never gives them any support. He is right. He didn't say the pitching has been amazing, and the offense has sucked, he said when we get a good outing, we don't score runs. What is better proof than today's game?????

 

The bullpen takes the brunt of the blame, the offense should take some too. They had the chance to pick up the team, even after Paps and co. blew it, but they blew it as well.

 

Besides Ortiz, Manny and DFA, the offense has been despicable.

However, the offense has won games where the pitching allowed 6 or more runs in the last month. The pitching has not won a game where the offense scored less than 6 since July 20. The offense has squandered opportunities at a higher rate than I'd like, but they aren't the reason this team is losing a lot more than it is winning. The pitching is attrocious. They have been almost a run worse per game than KC and Baltimore over the last month. Maybe some of what Timlin has said holds some truth, but when you are the one leading the suckage, you shouldn't open your mouth, and I think that is what everyone is saying.

[Pesky]

this is just brutal. a great outing and we can't score A run---wow

 

Wow. You sound like Mike Timlin.

 

That is all the man said, so why bash him about it. HE WAS RIGHT.

[riverside sluggers]

Did I say it was THE reason? All I said it hasn't really done anything to help out either.

 

Timlin main point was that when the pitching gives a good outing, the offense never gives them any support. He is right. He didn't say the pitching has been amazing, and the offense has sucked, he said when we get a good outing, we don't score runs. What is better proof than today's game?????

 

The bullpen takes the brunt of the blame, the offense should take some too. They had the chance to pick up the team, even after Paps and co. blew it, but they blew it as well.

 

Besides Ortiz, Manny and DFA, the offense has been despicable.

 

He never said when the pitching gives a good outing, the offense never gives them run support

 

He said "We're throwing the ball really well, holding teams down"

 

That means he believes that its been the pitching that has been the rock for this team

 

Ease up on the caps and excessive question marks

[Pesky]

However, the offense has won games where the pitching allowed 6 or more runs in the last month. The pitching has not won a game where the offense scored less than 6 since July 20. The offense has squandered opportunities at a higher rate than I'd like, but they aren't the reason this team is losing a lot more than it is winning. The pitching is attrocious. They have been almost a run worse per game than KC and Baltimore over the last month. Maybe some of what Timlin has said holds some truth, but when you are the one leading the suckage, you shouldn't open your mouth, and I think that is what everyone is saying.

 

I totally agree. If I were to asses blame, I'd say 50% is the pen, 30% is the starting, and 20% is the offense. But that 20% is still a factor. Like today. Great outing, no runs. It is just a shame that we can't have both good pitching and good batting at the same time. It never happens. So maybe both are more equally at fault.

[rician blast]

and now they'll blow it open

[redsoxrules]

Wow. You sound like Mike Timlin.

 

That is all the man said, so why bash him about it. HE WAS RIGHT.

 

6.35 f***ing ERA in august ,how many great outings has the starters have in august?

[Pesky]

With all the struggles these four days, this is almost the most frustrating for me. We can expect bad bullpen outings, but we couldn't score one run off of a bad pitcher. This game hurts the most.

 

Boomer pitched his ass off, and his team did squat to help him. Schilling pitched his ass off, his team let him down. f*** the first three games, the last two are by far the worst loses of the season.

[mtbykr]

Taking wells out now, i really hope he has a high pitch count before you turn this over to the bullpen

[CrespoBlows]

If only David Wells was healthy all year.

[Mr Crunchy]

the o is tired from carrying the pitching around all summer,well ortiz and manny should be tired anyways

 

who gives a f***

the season went into the shitter officially at 1am saturday when mike""we need runs"" timlin allowed 4 to score with a 3 run lead in the 7th

 

no s*** we need runs mike

youre on our staff as the middle guy and havent gotten a meaningful out in 16 months

[CrespoBlows]

With all the struggles these four days, this is almost the most frustrating for me. We can expect bad bullpen outings, but we couldn't score one run off of a bad pitcher. This game hurts the most.

 

Boomer pitched his ass off, and his team did squat to help him. Schilling pitched his ass off, his team let him down. f*** the first three games, the last two are by far the worst loses of the season.

 

The pitching staff let him down. His manager let him down.

 

The offense didn't. They scored 5 runs, which is actually higher than the league average, in terms of RPG.

[redsoxrules]

I totally agree. If I were to asses blame, I'd say 50% is the pen, 30% is the starting, and 20% is the offense. But that 20% is still a factor. Like today. Great outing, no runs. It is just a shame that we can't have both good pitching and good batting at the same time. It never happens. So maybe both are more equally at fault.

 

wow , read what you just said 50% pen and 30% starters ,so there you go 80% is the pitching faults wich is the main reason why we are sucking

[Matt]

One thing is sure about David Wells. When you need him the most, he's going to deliver for you. It's too bad his team hasn't been able to back him up today.

[mosox]

If only David Wells was healthy all year.

I was just thinking the same thing. The guy is a real pro and he can still pitch.

[Pesky]

6.35 f***ing ERA in august ,how many great outings has the starters have in august?

 

Again, I am not saying the pitching has been good or anything close to it. My only point is that when we get a good starting pitching outing, we get no offensive support. When we get a bad outing, we get good offensive support. Why can't the pitching and hitting click at the same time? Wells pitched perhaps the best game a Red Sox starter has pitched all year, but the team does nothing to help him out.

[mtbykr]

and i though yesterday was the low point of the season

[Pesky]

wow , read what you just said 50% pen and 30% starters ,so there you go 80% is the pitching faults wich is the main reason why we are sucking

 

Find a quote in which I said the pitching hasn't been the main reason we are losing? I am not saying that. I am saying, when they do get a good outing from a starter, the offense does jack. The pitching doesn't pick up the offense, and the offense doesn't pick up the pitching. That is why we are losing.

[Pesky]

The pitching staff let him down. His manager let him down.

 

The offense didn't. They scored 5 runs, which is actually higher than the league average, in terms of RPG.

 

And they easily could have won more, and picked up Papelbon. 13 stranded, bases loaded in the 9th with 1 out (I think). We could've and should've scored more runs.