Abreu to Yankees

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I just think its the pot calling the kettle black. You guys do take advantage of the money you make. Its its not Curt Schilling, its Loretta for a back up catcher, or taking advantage of the fact the Marlins wanted to dump Lowell's contract and get something for Beckett who they werent going to resign (fair trade but in a perfect world the Marlins would have kept Beckett).

 

Yeah you guys deffinitly gave up prospects in the same realm as Anibal Sanchez and Hanley Ramirez.....great point?

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Yeah you guys deffinitly gave up prospects in the same realm as Anibal Sanchez and Hanley Ramirez.....great point?

Boy did you not read the part where I said fair trade? Jesus, thats not even the damn point. Have you guys ever taken advantage of small market teams?

[Optimist]

Please explain how it isn't true? Giambi, Arod, Sheffield, Matsui, Damon, RJ, and Moose. Tell me which doesn't fit under the bought or ripped off umbrella?

 

First, I wouldn't put Matsui in that category. He wasn't going to play for any other team in this country.

 

Now, let's take a look at the players from the farm on the 25 man roster.

 

Mo Rivera (Closer)

Chien-Ming Wang (Second best pitcher in rotation)

Jorge Posada (Everyday catcher)

Derek Jeter (Everyday SS)

Andy Phillips (Everyday 1B )

Melky Cabrera (Everyday LF)

Bubba Crosby

Bernie Williams (Everyday RF, prior to Abreu deal)

Scott Proctor (Bridge in Bullpen)

T.J. Beam

 

That's more than a lot of the teams out there.

[yankeessuck013]

First, I wouldn't put Matsui in that category. He wasn't going to play for any other team in this country.

 

Now, let's take a look at the players from the farm on the 25 man roster.

 

Mo Rivera (Closer)

Chien-Ming Wang (Second best pitcher in rotation)

Jorge Posada (Everyday catcher)

Derek Jeter (Everyday SS)

Andy Phillips (Everyday 1B )

Melky Cabrera (Everyday LF)

Bubba Crosby

Bernie Williams (Everyday RF, prior to Abreu deal)

Scott Proctor (Bridge in Bullpen)

T.J. Beam

 

That's more than a lot of the teams out there.

 

Didn't you get Proctor from the Dodgers?

[Optimist]

Didn't you get Proctor from the Dodgers?

 

Yeah, but he's spent a lot of time in the farm system and made his major league debut with the Yankees.

[CrespoBlows]

I'm a bit confused about why Red Sox are complaining. (other then that the Yankees got better) Sure, the Yankees got a great RF and a decent 5th starter for a bag of s***, but the Yankees had the ability to do it. They took advantedge of a club willing to discard a large contract. I see nothing wrong with that. The Red Sox have done that in the past as well. (Mike Lowell, Curt Schilling)

 

Also, you guys are insane if you think Bobby Abreu is going to hit below the Mendoza Line for the next two months. Abreu isn't that kind of hitter. Even if he hits zero HR's the rest of the season, his OBP skills will be pretty valuable to the Yankees.

[MC Hammer]

First, I wouldn't put Matsui in that category. He wasn't going to play for any other team in this country.

 

Now, let's take a look at the players from the farm on the 25 man roster.

 

Mo Rivera (Closer)

Chien-Ming Wang (Second best pitcher in rotation)

Jorge Posada (Everyday catcher)

Derek Jeter (Everyday SS)

Andy Phillips (Everyday 1B )

Melky Cabrera (Everyday LF)

Bubba Crosby

Bernie Williams (Everyday RF, prior to Abreu deal)

Scott Proctor (Bridge in Bullpen)

T.J. Beam

 

That's more than a lot of the teams out there.

OK did I claim that you didn't have homegrown talent, or did I say every starter you have besides at 2B, SS, and C were bought, or traded for?

 

You did not respond to my post at all.

[MC Hammer]

Also, you guys are insane if you think Bobby Abreu is going to hit below the Mendoza Line for the next two months. Abreu isn't that kind of hitter. Even if he hits zero HR's the rest of the season, his OBP skills will be pretty valuable to the Yankees.

Bobby Abreu has never faced pressure in his entire career. The biggest pressure situation he's ever been in was the HR Derby.

 

While I don't see him being that bad ... I could without question see him struggling.

[CrespoBlows]

Bobby Abreu has never faced pressure in his entire career. The biggest pressure situation he's ever been in was the HR Derby.

 

While I don't see him being that bad ... I could without question see him struggling.

 

I don't think he's going to be worth his salary in 2007 or 2008, but at the time being, it is an upgrade for the Yankees.

[MC Hammer]

I don't think he's going to be worth his salary in 2007 or 2008, but at the time being, it is an upgrade for the Yankees.

Definatly I agree. There's no question he's an upgrade over Melky Cabrera.

[Optimist]

Definatly I agree. There's no question he's an upgrade over Melky Cabrera.

 

He's not taking Melky's job.

[MC Hammer]

He's not taking Melky's job.

Well he will be eventually if things go well for Matsui.

[Optimist]

I imagine they'll have Matsui DH for some time.

[MC Hammer]

I imagine they'll have Matsui DH for some time.

OK whatever jesus I was trying to give your team a compliment on the trade

 

He's an upgrade ... period. There better?

[TheKilo]

The Yankees are the favorites to win the East because of this trade right now.

 

I wonder what Theo does to counteract.

 

 

Abreu, you can make a claim that he's a slightly better Trot Nixon. The hit for power about the same, get on base about the same, and Abreu is faster and porbably superior defensively (anyone got the stats on that?). Lidle fills their 5 spot. If he keeps them in games, that part of the trade is a success.

 

If Theo and the Sox don't do anything, then the Yankees are the favorites. But you have to think Theo has something planned.

[CrespoBlows]

The Yankees are the favorites to win the East because of this trade right now.

 

I wonder what Theo does to counteract.

 

 

Abreu, you can make a claim that he's a slightly better Trot Nixon. The hit for power about the same, get on base about the same, and Abreu is faster and porbably superior defensively (anyone got the stats on that?). Lidle fills their 5 spot. If he keeps them in games, that part of the trade is a success.

 

If Theo and the Sox don't do anything, then the Yankees are the favorites. But you have to think Theo has something planned.

 

Abreu's faster, but Nixon is the better glove man.

[TheKilo]

Abreu's faster, but Nixon is the better glove man.

 

 

Gotcha, thanks.

[MC Hammer]

The Yankees are the favorites to win the East because of this trade right now.

I just want to start punching you in the face and never stop.

 

How does getting another bat help a team that has no pitching? Great they'll score another run or two ... still wont change the fact that their whole rotation besides moose is giving up 5+ runs a night.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

I just want to start punching you in the face and never stop.

 

How does getting another bat help a team that has no pitching? Great they'll score another run or two ... still wont change the fact that their whole rotation besides moose is giving up 5+ runs a night.

 

Yea, well, we don't exactly have the staff of the early 90's Braves, either...

 

We pretty much have a consistent 3 man rotation...Snyder sucks, Johnson sucks, Gabbard sucks, Pauley is better but still isn't ready for the show...and getting Wells and Wake back sounds fantastic right now, but neither of these guys are coming back from a blister or the flu...Wells is approaching 300 years old and that poor injured knee has to carry his fat ass around. I'm surprised he can walk for an entire day, let alone pitch a decent baseball game. Wake is getting up there in age and is suffering from an injury that greatly impacts delivery and effectiveness. We don't know what the heck we're going to get from these guys when they come back. I'm hoping for the best, but thinking realistically.

 

And you're overlooking getting Lidle. Yea, he's not Cy Young, but they don't need him to be. If you have an ERA of 4 and a half, you're going to win a bunch of games in NY...especially adding a guy with a .427 OBP into your already stacked lineup. Lidle is a guy who's going to give you a solid 6 or 7 innings every night and keep you in games. He's going to get a lot of ground balls...we've just gotta hope that a lot of those ground balls go towards the left side

[MC Hammer]

Yea, well, we don't exactly have the staff of the early 90's Braves, either...

Never claimed we did.

 

We pretty much have a consistent 3 man rotation...Snyder sucks, Johnson sucks, Gabbard sucks, Pauley is better but still isn't ready for the show...and getting Wells and Wake back sounds fantastic right now, but neither of these guys are coming back from a blister or the flu...Wells is approaching 300 years old and that poor injured knee has to carry his fat ass around. I'm surprised he can walk for an entire day, let alone pitch a decent baseball game. Wake is getting up there in age and is suffering from an injury that greatly impacts delivery and effectiveness. We don't know what the heck we're going to get from these guys when they come back. I'm hoping for the best, but thinking realistically.

The bolded comment is the spot which you lost all credibility with me. You'll make claims later than an NL pitcher with a mid 4 ERA is gonna win a lot of games in the AL ... but here you say a kid who pitched 5.1 innings and allowed 2ER sucks.

 

And you're overlooking getting Lidle. Yea, he's not Cy Young, but they don't need him to be. If you have an ERA of 4 and a half, you're going to win a bunch of games in NY

Ah but see I'm not overlooking him, or his mid 4 ERA. You are overlooking the fact that he plays in the NL. His ERA will not be in the mid 4's in the AL East. Just for a reference ... the last time he was in the AL East his ERA was 5.75.

 

...especially adding a guy with a .427 OBP into your already stacked lineup. Lidle is a guy who's going to give you a solid 6 or 7 innings every night and keep you in games. He's going to get a lot of ground balls...we've just gotta hope that a lot of those ground balls go towards the left side

Why build on a strength when you have several other glaring weaknesses?

 

Lidle will not make it to the 7th inning of many games in the AL. He averaged just a shade under 6 innings a game in his last stint in the AL East.

[26 to 6]

Edit: Double Post

[26 to 6]

A Boston/Philly rivalry is a fabrication of MLB and interleague play that apparently you bought into. There is a much more real and intense rivalry between NY and Philly as cities. I'm sure that has something to do with it. But, here's the kicker, the Yankees, Cowboys, Lakers, and Habs are hated by those that don't root for them. Part of it is their success. Part of it is the hype that surrounds them due to their success. Part of it is the fact that their fanbases remind everyone of their success so much. Part of it is the good fortune they tend to get over time with either injury/non-injury, call/non-call, etc., that contributes to their success. It boils down to their success for each an every one of those teams. Some of the hate is jealousy. Some of it stems from annoyance. Some of it just regional. But it is there nonetheless.

 

I love when Yankee fans do this. See there's a huge difference here. We get players like David Ortiz, who are mediocre, and turn them into superstars. Or we get players like Mike Lowell and they revive their careers. We rarely go out and get the huge name superstar players as the yankees do ... (ARod, Giambi, Sheffield, Matsui, RJ, Mussina, etc.).

You keep bringing up Mussina's name. For me personally, I don't pu tMoose in the category as the other guys. WHen we picked Moose, it wasn't something that we did on a routine basis (such as in more recent years). When we picked Moose up after the 2000 season it was for him to be a compliment to the pitching staff. Team's make moves like that all the time coming off of success. Red Sox/Beckett, Angels/Vlad, Blue Jays/Rickey Henderson, etc.

 

Now please realize that this post isn't intended to be nasty or instigative or anything of the nature, just something I wanted to point out. So please spare me the obnoxious response that I know will probably be coming.

 

I wonder what Theo does to counteract.

Brian Corey

 

He's not taking Melky's job.

Well as it stands for next year, Matsui in left, Damon in center, Abreu in right. In 2008 you can probably pencil Melky's name in instead of Abreau, but for 2007 I still see Melky as a guy who gets 3-5 starts a week. While Giambi plays first probably half of the time, Matsui, Damon, or Abreu would DH, allowing Melky or Bernie (more often it would be Melky) to get some playing time. I definately see melky getting around 350 ABs next year. So while yes, he is losing his starting job, he wont lose too much playing time.

 

How does getting another bat help a team that has no pitching? Great they'll score another run or two ... still wont change the fact that their whole rotation besides moose is giving up 5+ runs a night.

No pitching? That's a pretty odd comment. Wang and Mussina have been spectacular this season, with the acception of Saturday, RJ has been on the top half of the ladder, same can be said for Wright (unless he's pitching in the 6th and 7th innings). Ponson had a great start, followed by a bad one, so it's tough to judge him. We don't know what we'll get out of Lidle, but we'll see soon enough. As for the bullpen, I wont even get into how much better the Yankees bullpen is than the Sox'. BTW, that 6th inning tonight sure did make me smile. And while we're on pitching, after you called me an idiot for suggestiong that it is argueable that the Yankees pitching is in better shape than the Red Sox, did you happen to read my response? If not, you should. Either ni the Yankee Thread or the Yankee GAME Thread.

 

Never claimed we did.

so you're not really in a position to criticize the Yankees pitching.

 

Ah but see I'm not overlooking him, or his mid 4 ERA. You are overlooking the fact that he plays in the NL. His ERA will not be in the mid 4's in the AL East. Just for a reference ... the last time he was in the AL East his ERA was 5.75.

How about you look past the numbers at least until Lidle pitches a game for us. Who knows, he might catch Small Syndrome or the Chacon Cold and turn it up here in a pennant race.

[MC Hammer]

How about you look past the numbers at least until Lidle pitches a game for us. Who knows, he might catch Small Syndrome or the Chacon Cold and turn it up here in a pennant race.

Weren't you one of the Yankee fans screaming that Chacon wasn't a fluke? Now you're admitting he is.

[MANNYHOF24]

If Wake and Wells come back healthy and their usually selfs which is a big if, the sox have a much better rotation. With

Schill Mussina adv. Schill, only because of being a huge big game pitcher

Beckett Johnson adv Beckett, Beckett would have Cy numbers except for 4 bad starts

Wake Wang adv Wang, it was about the same until wake struggled while pitching with Injury

Wells Wright adv. Wells but only if healthy

Lester Lidle adv. Lester has more talent, but Lidle is proven, but I'll still take the young lefty

[ORS]

Now please realize that this post isn't intended to be nasty or instigative or anything of the nature, just something I wanted to point out. So please spare me the obnoxious response that I know will probably be coming.

 

I wonder what Theo does to counteract.

Brian Corey

I call ********.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

If Wake and Wells come back healthy and their usually selfs which is a big if, the sox have a much better rotation. With

Schill Mussina adv. Schill, only because of being a huge big game pitcher

Beckett Johnson adv Beckett, Beckett would have Cy numbers except for 4 bad starts

Wake Wang adv Wang, it was about the same until wake struggled while pitching with Injury

Wells Wright adv. Wells but only if healthy

Lester Lidle adv. Lester has more talent, but Lidle is proven, but I'll still take the young lefty

Schilling hasnt been better then Mussina. If anything they have been even. Lets see Wells and Wakefield take the mound first before you put them in your roation please. Wells has a bad back/knee and could crumble at anytime. Wakefield has a broken rib idk how you can still count on him right now. Let them come back and take the mound a couple of times before you count on them.

[CrespoBlows]

If Wake and Wells come back healthy and their usually selfs which is a big if, the sox have a much better rotation. With

Schill Mussina adv. Schill, only because of being a huge big game pitcher

Beckett Johnson adv Beckett, Beckett would have Cy numbers except for 4 bad starts

Wake Wang adv Wang, it was about the same until wake struggled while pitching with Injury

Wells Wright adv. Wells but only if healthy

Lester Lidle adv. Lester has more talent, but Lidle is proven, but I'll still take the young lefty

 

Schilling, Mussina > Santana

Beckett, Wang > Liriano

Johnson (eh, who really cares. You'll already be down 2-0)

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Schilling, Mussina > Santana

Beckett, Wang > Liriano

Johnson (eh, who really cares. You'll already be down 2-0)

No doubt but they have a VERY tough road ahead. I believe they have around 22 games left with the Tigers and White Sox.

[CrespoBlows]

No doubt but they have a VERY tough road ahead. I believe they have around 22 games left with the Tigers and White Sox.

 

Heh, I indicated that the Twins pitchers were worse. Oops.

 

Right now, I think the Tigers will win the division, and the Twins will get the WC. (But really, doesn't this BS happen every year? Some team always threatens for the Wild Card, but it always lands in the East.)

 

The bolded comment is the spot which you lost all credibility with me. You'll make claims later than an NL pitcher with a mid 4 ERA is gonna win a lot of games in the AL ... but here you say a kid who pitched 5.1 innings and allowed 2ER sucks.

 

Kason Gabbard is probably a future mop-up guy. He allowed 10 baserunners in those 5.1 IP. He won't get away with that again.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Heh, I indicated that the Twins pitchers were worse. Oops.

 

Right now, I think the Tigers will win the division, and the Twins will get the WC. (But really, doesn't this BS happen every year? Some team always threatens for the Wild Card, but it always lands in the East.)

I've thought for awhile that the Twins and White Sox will beat up on each other along with the Tigers beating up on both of those teams just enough for the Yanks and Sox to make the playoffs again. Plus while the Twins have the big two I'm not a fan of that line up. They have guys like Punto playing way above his head. That clearly wont last and Mauer is (as catcher's usually do) starting to wear down. He will still hit but not at the amazing pace he was. It also doesnt sound like the White Sox are going to do much. They need their bats to carry them.