July 28th vs. Anaheim

[CrespoBlows]

I was glad that Kennedy was not in the lineup, probably because we are throwing a lefty, because he has always been a thorn in our sides-- a very tough out. He'll probably play tomorrow and Sunday and kill us.

 

That Kendrick guy sucks. 2-4 with two RBI's.

[a700hitter]

I likee the arms on these kids, but facts are facts and MDC and Hansen do have ERA's over 4. Neither one has been very consistent. When Foulke's ERA goes over 4 everyone is screaming that he's finished. I hope that he is healthy, because this bullpen can use him.

[a700hitter]

Id say there are no objections in the front office to the Sox taking on Lowell. And he's just signed thru next season

If you are rebuilding, why the hell do you need to pay him $16 million for 2 years?

[ORS]

I think we have an interesting dichotomy working here. 700 (aka Duke Jr) has little faith in prospects and thinks the best way to fill out a lineup is with proven veterans at every position, while jsinger (aka 'Spect-Luva) rarely praises any player older than 27 1/2 years old. Personally, I think the most effective, efficient, and successful way to fill out a roster is a mix of these two philosophies, but it's fun to watch the back an forth.

[a700hitter]

That Kendrick guy sucks. 2-4 with two RBI's.

I never said he sucks,but as of today, I'd rather face him than Kennedy with the winning runs on base.

[ORS]

If you are rebuilding, why the hell do you need to pay him $16 million for 2 years?

To get Beckett.

[jsinger121]

I think we have an interesting dichotomy working here. 700 (aka Duke Jr) has little faith in prospects and thinks the best way to fill out a lineup is with proven veterans at every position, while jsinger (aka 'Spect-Luva) rarely praises any player older than 27 1/2 years old. Personally, I think the most effective, efficient, and successful way to fill out a roster is a mix of these two philosophies, but it's fun to watch the back an forth.

 

I'm all for a mix as well but I'm not for bringing back 34 yr secondbaseman when you have one ready or for washed up rightfielders hitting 5th with no power. You need some experience but you need to keep working in young players each year.

[ORS]

I'm all for a mix as well but I'm not for bringing back 34 yr secondbaseman when you have one ready or for washed up rightfielders hitting 5th with no power. You need some experience but you need to keep working in young players each year.

Just cause you say it won't make it so. Until you recant your belief that Hansen is more valuable to this year's team than Smoltz would be, I'll continue to believe you have a preference for prospective talent over current players.

[CrespoBlows]

I never said he sucks,but as of today, I'd rather face him than Kennedy with the winning runs on base.

 

In 28 AB's in late situations, Kennedy is hitting .214.

 

I'd rather face Kennedy, because Kedrick is the better hitter.

[riverside sluggers]

If you are rebuilding, why the hell do you need to pay him $16 million for 2 years?

 

He's a 2 year stop gap, jeez now youre complaing about having Lowell on the team. Go back to the Beckett trade, the Marlins threw in Lowell, only way to get Josh. The Marlins & every team thought Mike was done after 1 off year

[jsinger121]

Just cause you say it won't make it so. Until you recant your belief that Hansen is more valuable to this year's team than Smoltz would be, I'll continue to believe you have a preference for prospective talent over current players.

 

For what it would take to get Smoltz out of Atlanta I would pass considering you are dealing with Schuerholtz who doesn't have to trade him. It would have been more than Hansen.

[jsinger121]

3 hits for kendrick and 3 RBI

[RedSoxRooter]

To get Beckett.

 

Thank you. If it weren't for Beckett, the sox of course woudn't do the deal and Youk would be starting @ 3rd.

[a700hitter]

Not to mention that Lowell and Gonzo and to a lesser extent Youk are playing way above expectation. And then there's Papelbon... Imagine if these guys weren't producing? There was all the hope in the world that these guys would produce as they have, but as Theo himself said in his going away speech, give the kids a break. Tell me that's not a rebuilding year in the making and that we are quite lucky to be in the situation we are in.

 

Just enjoy this year. And yes, 2004 has everything to do with my logic.

Wells doesn't have a win. Injuries to Foulke have forced Papelbon out of the starting rotation to the closer role. Wakefield goes on the DL for the first time in 10 years, leaving the team short two starters. Highly paid acquisitions Seanez and Tavarez are stinking out the joint. This has nothing to do with rebuilding. It has to do with certain guys overperforming and others underperforming and an unusual rash of injuries. It has nothing to do with rebuilding.

[ORS]

For what it would take to get Smoltz out of Atlanta I would pass considering you are dealing with Schuerholtz who doesn't have to trade him. It would have been more than Hansen.

But that's not what you said in that thread. The idea of a Smoltz trade was being discussed with Hansen as the centerpiece and you said it wasn't worth giving up Hansen to get Smoltz. I don't feel like digging through the threads, but I can if you want.

[riverside sluggers]

I likee the arms on these kids, but facts are facts and MDC and Hansen do have ERA's over 4. Neither one has been very consistent. When Foulke's ERA goes over 4 everyone is screaming that he's finished. I hope that he is healthy, because this bullpen can use him.

 

MDC's ERA went just went over 4 tonight. He's going through a rough patch like all relievers have during a season. EDIT: Hansen is still adjusting to the major leagues. Manny, not giving him too much credit as you should, has found himself as the 7th inning guy. His ERA up through the all-star break was around 1.99 I believe. I'll take that inconsistent efforts please.

 

About Foulke... eh I think fans were screaming he was finished with the ERA range of 5-7 it has been the last 2 seasons

[jsinger121]

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[jsinger121]

Why is Kapler batting. Pena should be getting at-bats instead of this guy who can't hit.

[CrespoBlows]

Foulke can be a very effective pitcher if his elbow is healthy. If not, then I'd rather see Tavarez.

[a700hitter]

He's a 2 year stop gap, jeez now youre complaing about having Lowell on the team. Go back to the Beckett trade, the Marlins threw in Lowell, only way to get Josh. The Marlins & every team thought Mike was done after 1 off year

If it's a rebuilding year, trade him to San Diego for a prospect and unload what's left of his contract. If it's not rebuilding, keep him and plug the gaps with some acquisitions for prospects such as the immortal Hansen and Pedroia and make a run at the Championship. This half-way ******** makes no sense.

[CrespoBlows]

Why did we trade Arroyo? I'm having serious doubts now.

[CrespoBlows]

If it's a rebuilding year, trade him to San Diego for a prospect and unload what's left of his contract. If it's not rebuilding, keep him and plug the gaps with some acquisitions for prospects such as the immortal Hansen and Pedroia and make a run at the Championship. This half-way ******** makes no sense.

 

Retooling is the correct word.

[jsinger121]

Tito is an idiot. Kapler is useless and now he gets picked off 1st to complete a DP.

[ORS]

Why did we trade Arroyo? I'm having serious doubts now.

Really. WMP not playing at all lately makes me suspect the multi-team deal is true and it includes him.

[a700hitter]

MDC's ERA went just went over 4 tonight. He's going through a rough patch like all relievers have during a season. EDIT: Hansen is still adjusting to the major leagues. Manny, not giving him too much credit as you should, has found himself as the 7th inning guy. His ERA up through the all-star break was around 1.99 I believe. I'll take that inconsistent efforts please.

 

About Foulke... eh I think fans were screaming he was finished with the ERA range of 5-7 it has been the last 2 seasons

Hopefully, he can comeback healthy, because throwing 86-88 he is better than MDC or Hansen. He throws strikes and almost never walks people.

[RoyNHSox]

Really. WMP not playing at all lately makes me suspect the multi-team deal is true and it includes him.

 

Good point. The way he’s been non-used over the past week is absurd.

[riverside sluggers]

If it's a rebuilding year, trade him to San Diego for a prospect and unload what's left of his contract. If it's not rebuilding, keep him and plug the gaps with some acquisitions for prospects such as the immortal Hansen and Pedroia and make a run at the Championship. This half-way ******** makes no sense.

 

Sox will not trade Lowell in the middle of a pennant race who has been a force at the bottom of the lineup and is nipping at Chavez's 5 straight seasons of the AL gold glove. And no, Hansen/Pedroia arent likely to be traded. I believe when Theo said "I will not trade blue chip prospects for win-now trades"

[ORS]

If it's a rebuilding year, trade him to San Diego for a prospect and unload what's left of his contract. If it's not rebuilding, keep him and plug the gaps with some acquisitions for prospects such as the immortal Hansen and Pedroia and make a run at the Championship. This half-way ******** makes no sense.

Sorry, but this makes no sense. Players with salaries like Lowell's, coming of year's like he had in '05, only get traded as baggage to deep pocket teams. Would any team have taken Foulke off our hands for prospects last offseason? Nope.

 

EDIT: Whoops, I thought you meant trade him in the offseason after the Beckett trade.

 

Of course, the idea of this being a retooling year might have been altered a bit when it turned out everyone had bounced back to form. They do have a shot, but I'm sure they aren't selling the future to plug a hole. Hey, in the race, with potential impact players making combacks? Why not stand pat and hope to strike gold -- ie get hot at the right time -- without mortaging the farm to get the missing piece.

[CrespoBlows]

Hopefully, he can comeback healthy, because throwing 86-88 he is better than MDC or Hansen. He throws strikes and almost never walks people.

 

First time I've agreed with you tonight.

 

Foulke, when healthy is a relief ace.

[a700hitter]

Retooling is the correct word.

Does retooling mean that the FO doesn't do what it takes to give your team its best chance of winning, but only enought to make it competitive? Is that the definition? If it is, it seems like a pointless concept.