Wily Mo Pena gone?

[DUSTINMOHR4LIFE]

According to Jayson Stark, Wily Mo Pena is being shopped around. Here's something from the 'Stark Market':

 

"The Red Sox might lead the league in phone calls this week. But for all the indications that they're trying to do something creative, clubs that have spoken with them say they're not close to anything on any front. Still, they're hunting for a starting pitcher who would allow them to stop counting on Tim Wakefield and David Wells to return to perfect health. And from all accounts, it's the hulking Wily Mo who is most out there for somebody to scarf up. We've heard the same rumblings that Buster Olney has, about the Sox trying to cook up all sorts of complicated multi-team deals. So we've chased down rumors about Dontrelle Willis, Jake Peavy, Jake Westbrook, Chris Young, Miguel Cabrera, Miguel Batista and all sorts of other fun, but even more far-fetched, names. But they all seem to be nothing more than items you can file under the umbrella of typical pre-deadline brainstorming. We've also heard surprising names off their own roster that are said by various clubs to be available. But we sense no appetite on their part to deal those names _ not unless they're faced with an offer too juicy to turn down. So check that list of seven available starting pitchers a couple of notches up on this list. Then look at the photo of the guy pictured with this item and practice waving goodbye _ because, in the words of one front-office man who has spoken with the Red Sox, "I'd be very surprised if Wily Mo Pena is on their team come Monday night." "

 

Pretty Interesting....

[jsinger121]

I doubt he gets traded....all this stuff is speculation at best.

[MANNYHOF24]

Why the hell would they trade Arroyo for this guy, if they werent planning him for the future. I mean I dont think they expected him to put up big numbers this year.

[SoxFan25]

i agree with MannyHof24.

[RoyNHSox]

So check that list of seven available starting pitchers a couple of notches up on this list. Then look at the photo of the guy pictured with this item and practice waving goodbye _ because, in the words of one front-office man who has spoken with the Red Sox, "I'd be very surprised if Wily Mo Pena is on their team come Monday night." "

 

Which pitcher is Stark referring to on the list?

[example1]

Why the hell would they trade Arroyo for this guy, if they werent planning him for the future. I mean I dont think they expected him to put up big numbers this year.

 

Not to sound like an ******* but, perhaps one of the reasons they wouldn't mind acquiring him for arroyo was because he's a good trading piece?

 

Isn't that the only possible answer other than "because they like to trade for really s***** players."

[DUSTINMOHR4LIFE]

Cory Lidle, Livan Hernandez, Jon Lieber, Rodrigo Lopez, Tony Armas Jr., Mark Redman and Ramon Ortiz. Nothing special, although I wouldn't mind getting Lidle but not for Wily Mo.

[jsinger121]

I wouldn't trade Pena for any of those stiffs.

[yankthis]

Well you can point at little holes that may need to be filled, but when you look around at the rest of the league, and consider the weakness of the other league, I don't think they need to make any deals at all. The Yankees are the only team in either league that they have to worry about beating this year. The outcome of the 2006 season, and the 2006 World Series, comes down to where the Red Sox and the Yankees stand at the end of September.

[a700hitter]

Well you can point at little holes that may need to be filled, but when you look around at the rest of the league, and consider the weakness of the other league, I don't think they need to make any deals at all. The Yankees are the only team in either league that they have to worry about beating this year. The outcome of the 2006 season, and the 2006 World Series, comes down to where the Red Sox and the Yankees stand at the end of September.

With the way the Twins are rolling, I think there is an excellent chance that the Wild Card comes out of the Central. As currently constructed, the Red Sox don't have enough to pull away from the Yankees, and the Sox have the tougher September Schedule. Even if they win the AL East, they would have a very difficult time getting by the Twins in a short series. The Sox need a major move by Monday to insure getting to the playoffs and to give them a chance of going deep into the playoffs. I don't like the odds that Wells will be a factor, and without a top-performing Wells, their rotation, even with Wakefield, is not good enough to win the division.

[yankthis]

"not good enough to win the division."

 

The Yankees have their share of weak spots too. I still think the Yankees are the only team they need to worry about, but unless they (the Yankees) can reel in a lights-out pitcher and/or the likes of Jim Thome to prop them up a bit, I wouldn't be terribly concerned about that.

 

My money says the Red Sox will steamroll their way to and through the playoffs and the World Series this year.

[example1]

With the way the Twins are rolling, I think there is an excellent chance that the Wild Card comes out of the Central. As currently constructed, the Red Sox don't have enough to pull away from the Yankees, and the Sox have the tougher September Schedule. Even if they win the AL East, they would have a very difficult time getting by the Twins in a short series. The Sox need a major move by Monday to insure getting to the playoffs and to give them a chance of going deep into the playoffs. I don't like the odds that Wells will be a factor, and without a top-performing Wells, their rotation, even with Wakefield, is not good enough to win the division.

 

If available, a very good 3rd pitcher seems necessary to win in the playoffs and down the stretch. They won't give up the farm unless it is EXACTLY what they are looking for, I have confidence in that. Remember, this was supposed to be a retooling year and while of course I want them to go for it now, I don't want them trading good players for Cory Lidle and I don't think the FO will do such a thing. Dontrelle Willis, Cabrera? Yes, trade WMP and a prospect.

[example1]

"not good enough to win the division."

 

The Yankees have their share of weak spots too. I still think the Yankees are the only team they need to worry about, but unless they (the Yankees) can reel in a lights-out pitcher and/or the likes of Jim Thome to prop them up a bit, I wouldn't be terribly concerned about that.

 

My money says the Red Sox will steamroll their way to and through the playoffs and the World Series this year.

 

They have a good defense, which is big in the playoffs. They also have patient and mature hitters (youk is years ahead of his time). They have a decent bullpen (I think its better than it has been over the past 3 years or more) and 2 studs on the mound, with a 3rd who has pitched very well.

 

The way I feel about this team is that if Lester is the #4 pitcher in the playoffs, the Sox could have a very good shot. If he is pushed into the #3 in the playoffs (by injuries or his good performance) then I think they're in trouble.

[schillingouttheks]

The Twins have one of the hardest schedules left out of all the MLB teams, and most of their games are on the road where they have struggled this season. I don't see them as legit, and thank God because in a postseason series we won't have to deal with Santana-Liriano as the best 1-2 punch in baseball. I wouldn't be surprised if the Red Sox or Yanks took the wild card, as now even the White Sox are starting to fade with a 2-10 record since the All Star Break. They too have one of the toughest remaining schedules.

 

However, I agree with you in that we need another starting pitcher. What we have is not good enough to go deep in a series no matter how you spin it. Winning the East would be nice, but like you said, we're not built in such a way to go deep. Then, if we take the wild card, we'd have a harder time going deep into the postseason because of the difficulty of our first round matchup. Schilling-Beckett is in no way the 1-2 punch of '04 with Schill-Pedro, though I would love to see what Beckett can do in the second half of the season since he is historically very good down the stretch. Not to mention what he did in '03. I just hope he can get through a playoff series matchup of 2 AL teams instead of 2 NL teams. I know he did well against the Yanks, but that was 2 games against an AL opponent the whole postseason. We have the team to win it all, we are just a veteran starting pitcher short. If trading someone like Hansen means bringing in a veteran to solidify the rotation to make us a solid contender, then so be it. I'm against waiting around to see if our future studs can bring us a title. We live in Boston, we want to win. Of course I'm against trading kids like Lester and Papelbon and Pedroia, but anyone else I don't see as untouchable, even Delcarmen. I wouldn't trade both Delcarmen and Hansen though.

 

Now, back to Wily Mo. If they traded Arroyo only to trade Wily Mo somewhere, I will be very disappointed. At the time I was happy with the trade because no one could have thought that we'd be having these pitching problems with the surplus of pitching that we were blessed with at the beginning of the season. We had all the pitching in the world, but as we've learned (unfortunately, the hard way), you can never have too much of it. Arroyo led the league in "quality" starts and everytime he took the mound I was confident that he would give us a chance to win the game. So, we trade Arroyo for what? Another piece of trade bait? That's stupid. If Wily Mo stays here and gets to play, then I'll judge the Arroyo/WMP trade in 2 or 3 years. But if he's traded away I will view it as a stupid move. Unless of course, the likes of Cabrera or Willis come in return.

[example1]

I'm not worried about Beckett. He is as good in any game as anyone else in the game, he's just not as consistent. He's still damn good though. Schilling's stuff isn't as good as Beckett's at this point in his career, but his control is top notch as it almost always has been.

 

Anyway, a 3rd pitcher is essential. I think the Twins are going to give it a good run and the Sox need to win the East.

[a700hitter]

If the Wild Card comes out of the East the first round match up would probably be easier whether the Red Sox win the Wild Card or the Division than if the Wild card team comes from the Central. If the Yanks and Sox make the playoffs, they would get either the Tigers, A's, Rangers or Angels in the first round. If the Wild Card comes from the Central, the Sox would probably play the WC team in the first round, which would be either the White Sox or the Twins. This would be a very tough draw.

[Mr Crunchy]

is someone dangles a decent 3 for wily pena??

id like to think hes gone before the i's are dotted

everything equel as of this morning we're good enough to win it all

however

the status quo is going to change come monday

 

retooling year??

we got schill beckett and the others that made our staff the deepest in bball before the pena deal and the injuries to wells and wake

we got the best 3-4 hitters in the past 70 years

an up and coming lead off hitter in crisp,an all star 2nd basemen who hits 2nd,an obp machine in youk,one of the best catchers in the al and someone actually considered this a retooling year??

 

what???

 

anyways

the twins got a little pop,they bring the best pitcher in the al and a superstar in the making with liriano...he still has 3mos left in the season so the book isnt closed just yet

they need more i feel

the backend is questionable with an aging radke and others not worth mentioning

the bullpen i dont trust,ive seen joe nathan do things in october that made me puke and the other guys are just awful

the met is a hard place to win for anyone and with a 1-2 punch like they got i feel theyre a better playoff team than a regular season team

you dont want to see santana and liriano in the 1st round of a best of series

[Sox Fan on Cape]

I'm sure you meant best of five series. I totally agree.

[Mr Crunchy]

yes sir i did indeed

[Rdsxmbnt]

Would anyone deal Pena to get say Zito? According to Olney the price is just Milledge from the Mets, Pena doesnt quite have Milledges value but add a prospect or two and Beane definetly considers. Couple of Pros and cons to such a move:

Pros:

-makes us immediate favorites to win the East, Schilling-Beckett-Zito-Lester can role with any team in the playoffs

-IF he can be locked up longterm, Zito 28 and would be here for a while. this team is going to have money to spend too...

 

Cons:

-trading WMP, whole in RF (if trot isnt resigned)

-Zito may test the market

[HeadOfSoxNation]

I don't think Epstein moves Wily Mo unless he gets a front-line guy. To move him for some Jon Lieber-type name just seems ridiculous to me. I don't want to see Wily Mo go, because I really feel like he's got the potential to lead the league in HRs (and RBIs with the lineup the Sox will put together) in a few years...but we do have to stop the bleeding on this starting pitching situation. We know Hansen is available for the right price...combining Wily Mo with Hansen is a solid package that could return something EXTREMELY exciting. Are we sure the DTrain and Peavy are off the table?

 

Anyone hear Dontrelle on Rome the other day? Dude is freaking hysterical...I'd love to have him here.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

-Zito may test the market

 

I'd consider it, that's for sure...but I think for the Sox to trade a young stud like Pena they'd have to be sure that they could get an extension done with Zito for at least 4 years. Does anyone know how the rules work on that? If the A's give permission, can we talk contract extension with Zito before the trade is made?

[riverside sluggers]

Would anyone deal Pena to get say Zito? According to Olney the price is just Milledge from the Mets, Pena doesnt quite have Milledges value but add a prospect or two and Beane definetly considers. Couple of Pros and cons to such a move:

Pros:

-makes us immediate favorites to win the East, Schilling-Beckett-Zito-Lester can role with any team in the playoffs

-IF he can be locked up longterm, Zito 28 and would be here for a while. this team is going to have money to spend too...

 

Cons:

-trading WMP, whole in RF (if trot isnt resigned)

-Zito may test the market

 

Oakland is in a pennant race, i still stand by that they wont trade away their best pitcher even if he'll be hitting free agency this offseason

--Scott Boras is his agent, so rule out any extensions before free agency hits. He'll likely be looking for around 5 years/$75 million. Yankees, Mets and Cardinals are the likely 3 suitors to pay that out.

--Oakland will not trade their ace to an AL playoff contender

--Wily Mo Pena plus maybe 2 prospects for a half a season pitcher goes beyond Theo's policy

[DUSTINMOHR4LIFE]

I could never see Billy Beane trading for a guy for Wily Mo, but hey, times are changing and he's always looking for a way to get ahead.

 

I think that it would be huge if we won first place because then we would get home field in the first round. I think that is something that Beckett needs, but not Schill, because he'll find a way to step it up in the playoffs.

[rician blast]

Well you can point at little holes that may need to be filled, but when you look around at the rest of the league, and consider the weakness of the other league, I don't think they need to make any deals at all. The Yankees are the only team in either league that they have to worry about beating this year. The outcome of the 2006 season, and the 2006 World Series, comes down to where the Red Sox and the Yankees stand at the end of September.

 

First they gotta make the playoffs, but lets assume the Sox do.

 

Do you really believe no one can beat the Sox in the playoffs? What if the Twins got in and you face Santana, Liriano and Radke? Or what if Chicago gets hot again? Or how about if they faced Detroit and their pitching staff?

 

Anything can happen come playoff time and if you bump up against a hot team...particularly hot pitching...your season can be over quickly. You're way to confident.

[Mr Crunchy]

barry zito does nothing for me but id move pena for him in a second

[riverside sluggers]

barry zito does nothing for me but id move pena for him in a second

 

It would only work on a mlb video game with trades set to easy. Its just fantasy baseball, Beane wouldnt make that trade especially to an AL playoff contender

[Mr Crunchy]

right on riverside

plus hes in contention as well

zito walks in november as all oaklands horses do but if oakland is sincere about this year they cant dump zito unless.....they'll need bullpen help and a leadoff hitter i feel

[Cocos Disciples]

I would trade Pena for Zito.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Considering Carlos Lee was able to be aquired for two average outfielders (Mench, Nix) and a struggling reliever (Cordero) I would think the Red Sox could get something decent for Willy Mo Pena and Keith Foulke combined in a package.