Book alleges Sheffield injected testosterone, HGH

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I didnt see the article with the labor agreement of '91. Do you have a link? Sounds interesting.

 

And Game of Shadows hasnt PROVEN anything. Although it is a reliable source and all of us here believe it, it is far from proven.

Sorry, it's not an article. It's an image of a page of a memo from the commissioner's office sent to all the MLB teams' FOs. The url is an ESPN url and it appears to be from an ESPN the magazine piece.

 

Image Link

 

I back checked on google and found this.

 

Baseball ignored its own rules about steroids. In 1991, then-Commissioner Fay Vincent effectively put steroids on baseball's list of banned substances in a memo sent to all MLB teams. Baseball could not test for steroids, the memo said, but should a player be caught with steroids, he would be sent for treatment and subject to penalties. This memo was never publicized and, seemingly, was largely ignored by both management and the players' union. Commissioner Bud Selig reissued the same memo in 1997, with minor changes but with the same lack of conviction. Several GMs at the time tell ESPN the Magazine the memo probably was lost in the blizzard of other paperwork coming out of the commissioner's office.

 

Article Link

 

I seriously doubt those two investigative journalists are going to risk libel against 3 very wealthy ballplayers with the resources to fight a long drawn out court battle. Not to mention the uber-powerful MLBPA, which it wouldn't surprise me if they took up the fight for these guys if this was a fabrication. Incidentally, Bonds recently threatened to file a lawsuit, but nothing official has been done yet. Given the sourcing used in this book, I'll bet that Bonds is just posturing.

 

Come on, man. Saying, "they probably didn't do it as Yankees, and that's what matters right now", is the last straw in the line of rationalizations. I mean, what did you mean by that other than "they weren't cheating as Yankees, so it's OK". This dismisses the fact that what they did permanently affected their bodies, and we don't even know the timeframe that the book lists for their drug use. It ok to change your mind and call these guys what they really are, cheaters. Hell, I've even changed my mind on the subject. I initially thought that steroids were no big deal since they don't put the fat part of the bat on the ball. As it turns out, these guys were using steroids and HGH. HGH improves eyesight and visuospatial performance (hand/eye coordination). So it does help them put the fat part of the bat on the ball. If I can change, ......and you can change, .... then, .....we can all change. Cue the Rocky music.

 

EDIT: I forgot to mention something.

 

The memo also lists prescription medications taken without a valid prescription to be illegal. HGH is a controlled substance (prescription only), so that means their use of HGH was outlawed by the 1991 memo.

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I don't believe that they test for HGH, so he could still be taking it, and from the signs of his Roid Rage in Fenway's RF last year, he probably is.

OK, so please "Mr. I Hate EVERYTHING Pinstripes", tell me how you would have reacted under the circumstances?

 

Granted he didnt react the best way, but he's intense and with all of the adrenaline and whatnot, the reaction is understandable. But because it was the Yankee RFer and not say, Jaque Jones or something, it's a sign of roid rage and not frustration.

 

f***ing grow up.

 

What exactly is needed for proof then? These are all confirmed sources form the government, and testimony given under oath during the balco scandal! In regard to Giambi, on Cold Pizza this AM they were referencing the book and said that apparently Giambi really got rolling on the roids that winder becuase his dad was such a fan of the game and a perfectionist--he wanted to do well for him!

There is no concrete, government evidence on Sheffield. All he has is this book. His testimony says that he didnt know. The only thing really damaging to him is this book. Which dont get me wrong, is probably true, but if we're talking PROOF, this is not it. If this were to be brought up in court, nothing would happen to him based on this book alone.

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Come on, man. Saying, "they probably didn't do it as Yankees, and that's what matters right now", is the last straw in the line of rationalizations. I mean, what did you mean by that other than "they weren't cheating as Yankees, so it's OK". This dismisses the fact that what they did permanently affected their bodies, and we don't even know the timeframe that the book lists for their drug use. It ok to change your mind and call these guys what they really are, cheaters.

Don't get me wrong man, and i think I said this (could be wrong, dont feel like going back to check my post right now), but of coarse it bothers me. I'm not happy about it. But there isnt anything we could do about it right now that would change anything today. He wont be using this year, so thats important. HOwever, in now way am I at all happy about this. I've lost a lot of respect for the man, not only for using the steroids, but for committing perjury as well.

 

But from a baseball standpoint, THIS YEAR, he'll be clean, unless he gets caught, obviously. Thats my main focus going into the season.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

What exactly is needed for proof then? These are all confirmed sources form the government, and testimony given under oath during the balco scandal! In regard to Giambi, on Cold Pizza this AM they were referencing the book and said that apparently Giambi really got rolling on the roids that winder becuase his dad was such a fan of the game and a perfectionist--he wanted to do well for him!

Giambi was already doing hardcore steroids when he was in Oakland according to Canseco's book. He got into Balco once he joined the Yankees.

[riverside sluggers]

Giambi was already doing hardcore steroids when he was in Oakland according to Canseco's book. He got into Balco once he joined the Yankees.

 

Get ready for Canseco's new book coming in September. He's going to be naming off new players

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Bonds to Sue Authors of Steroids Book, 3/24/06, AP

 

Bonds' attorneys sent a letter Thursday to an agent for the authors of "Game of Shadows," alerting them of plans to sue the writers, publisher Gotham Books, the San Francisco Chronicle and Sports Illustrated, which published excerpts this month.

 

The letter, signed by Alison Berry Wilkinson, an associate of Bonds' lead attorney, Michael Rains, was posted on the Chronicle's Web Site. A hearing was tentatively scheduled for Friday in San Francisco Superior Court.

 

"The reason we filed the lawsuit in the simplest terms possible is to prevent the authors from promoting themselves and profiting from illegal conduct," Rains told The Associated Press on Thursday.

 

What's the illegal behavior Bonds is suing for? Libel? Defamation of Character? Nope. His lawyer contends the use of illegally obtained Grand Jury transcripts constitutes contempt of court. Bonds knows his goose is cooked.

[riverside sluggers]

what an ass, of course that's a given. His lawyers dont even deny the allegations made toward Bonds in the book. I hope he realizes that he will be called on to testify, good possibility during the season

[a700hitter]

OK, so please "Mr. I Hate EVERYTHING Pinstripes", tell me how you would have reacted under the circumstances?

 

Granted he react the best way, but he's intense and with all of the adrenaline and whatnot, the reaction is understandable. But because it was the Yankee RFer and not say, Jaque Jones or something, it's a sign of roid rage and not frustration.

 

f***ing grow up.

It's great how you take my bait everytime.:clap: First of all, I would have continued with the play. That's what a "gamer" would have done. He would not have been distracted by the contact. My memory is that Sheff chose to swing first and then throw the ball back in. I would not have done that.

[riverside sluggers]

Well with Sheffield, last season I had seen him in a Mets game throw a temper tantrum. He was called out at 1st base, then proceeded by throwing his helmet to the ground. That was followed by getting all in the umps' face, rightfully getting him ejected from the game

[mtbykr]

Giambi was already doing hardcore steroids when he was in Oakland according to Canseco's book. He got into Balco once he joined the Yankees.

 

 

I was using the verified proof as my argument. Giambi may have been on roids during his A's stint; however Canseco's book (that is very damning) is done without any proof to back it up--just his word! Now the other book "game of shadows" uses nothing but "proof" ( court documents, government collected evidence, grand jury testimony, ect..." ) Going from the "proof" standpoint the book "game of shadows" says (from everything i have heard, i have not read it) that Giambi got hooked up with Balco becuase he went out there to see what greg anderson was doing to "keep bonds playing at such a high level". We have no idea if he was on roids before the yankers, but we do know that he was on them as a member of the yankers!

[mtbykr]

OK, so please "Mr. I Hate EVERYTHING Pinstripes", tell me how you would have reacted under the circumstances?

 

Granted he react the best way, but he's intense and with all of the adrenaline and whatnot, the reaction is understandable. But because it was the Yankee RFer and not say, Jaque Jones or something, it's a sign of roid rage and not frustration.

 

f***ing grow up.

 

 

There is no concrete, government evidence on Sheffield. All he has is this book. His testimony says that he didnt know. The only thing really damaging to him is this book. Which dont get me wrong, is probably true, but if we're talking PROOF, this is not it. If this were to be brought up in court, nothing would happen to him based on this book alone.

 

 

Negative Ghostrider; according to the book the government collected several things on him including a schedule of his "roid use". (when and what he is using)

 

 

 

The only thing really damaging to him is this book. Which dont get me wrong, is probably true, but if we're talking PROOF, this is not it. If this were to be brought up in court, nothing would happen to him based on this book alone

 

From what i have heard this is untrue. It is also why they are considering purgery charges against him--they believe they have they evidence saying that he knew, and he testified he didn't know. At the end of the day the only guy i can feel for (not much howeve) is Giambi. He screwed up and did damage to the game (reference game 7 of the 03 alcs) but at least the guy had the guts to sack up and tell the truth. He did and faced the consequences, and he's come through it! Bonds and Sheffield are both guilty, and they lied in court about it! They deserve everything they get.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

OK, so please "Mr. I Hate EVERYTHING Pinstripes", tell me how you would have reacted under the circumstances?

 

Granted he react the best way, but he's intense and with all of the adrenaline and whatnot, the reaction is understandable. But because it was the Yankee RFer and not say, Jaque Jones or something, it's a sign of roid rage and not frustration.

 

f***ing grow up.

 

I'm a die hard Sox fan, and I've gotta agree with you here. It was unfortunate that the event had to take place, but the person who handled it the worst was EASILY the fan. I don't blame Shef for getting frustrated...and think he handled his frustration really well. I think it's also a credit to the security at Fenway for how quickly they got over to the situation and handled it accordingly.

 

I think a lot of strong arguements can be made as to Shef being on 'roids...both as a Yankee and prior, but his reaction in Boston last year is hardly grounds for one of them.

[ARod2212]

I'm a die hard Sox fan, and I've gotta agree with you here. It was unfortunate that the event had to take place, but the person who handled it the worst was EASILY the fan. I don't blame Shef for getting frustrated...and think he handled his frustration really well. I think it's also a credit to the security at Fenway for how quickly they got over to the situation and handled it accordingly.

 

I think a lot of strong arguements can be made as to Shef being on 'roids...both as a Yankee and prior, but his reaction in Boston last year is hardly grounds for one of them.

Good call. I know I don't react to well to getting hit either, and at 135 pounds I doubt anyone will accuse me of steroids.

 

While we all know Bonds is done, it is an interesting point he brings up. The leaked Grand Jury testimony is illegal. It was sealed. There was no reason for the public to have it. Nobody seems to care about the fact that the information was not to leave the court. I don't know, but something feels wrong there.

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Good call. I know I don't react to well to getting hit either, and at 135 pounds I doubt anyone will accuse me of steroids.

 

While we all know Bonds is done, it is an interesting point he brings up. The leaked Grand Jury testimony is illegal. It was sealed. There was no reason for the public to have it. Nobody seems to care about the fact that the information was not to leave the court. I don't know, but something feels wrong there.

I agree. Something is definately wrong.

 

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mtbykr, do you have the book? you refer to it a lot , so I am curious. I was going to pick it up thursday, but was in a rush and didnt get a chance to make it to the book store. Good read?

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While we all know Bonds is done, it is an interesting point he brings up. The leaked Grand Jury testimony is illegal. It was sealed. There was no reason for the public to have it. Nobody seems to care about the fact that the information was not to leave the court. I don't know, but something feels wrong there.

The one guilty of an illegal act is whoever provided the reporters with the information. Once it is in their hands, the freedom of the press takes over, IMO. Now, if they were guilty of somehow stealing this information, then the onus is on them. Somehow, I doubt they donned black mask and gloves and went Hudson Hawk into a government building.

 

What I find interesting is the fact that Bonds' lawsuit is seeking the profits made from the book. By not suing for libel and only seeking the profits from the book sales, he is essentially saying, "Yeah, all the s*** in the book is true, but you aren't making a dime off my f***ed up tale."

[MC Hammer]

OK, so please "Mr. I Hate EVERYTHING Pinstripes", tell me how you would have reacted under the circumstances?

When someones hand passes my face I dont immediatly attempt to hit them in the face.

 

Sheffield totally overreacted.

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When someones hand passes my face I dont immediatly attempt to hit them in the face.

 

Sheffield totally overreacted.

Adrenaline

[MC Hammer]

Adrenaline

Heh or roid rage.

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Heh or roid rage.

What would be your arguement had it been Jaque Jones, or Emil Brown, or Jay Gibbons, Joey Gathright?

 

Also, if Sheffield actions there are roid rage, then I think it would be fair to call Varitek's actions roid rage. I know when somebody says "f*** You!" to me, my first reaction isnt to push them in the face, I verbally assault them first until it escalates. So maybe Tek was showing some roid rage there, huh? If thats the case with Sheff then it's the case with Tek as well.

 

 

but the correct answer for both incidents is ADRENALINE. Havent you every played sports? You never got an adrenaline rush?

[MC Hammer]

What would be your arguement had it been Jaque Jones, or Emil Brown, or Jay Gibbons, Joey Gathright?

Oh but did they go into the stands? Oh thats right they didn't ... Sheffield did.

 

Also, if Sheffield actions there are roid rage, then I think it would be fair to call Varitek's actions roid rage. I know when somebody says "f*** You!" to me, my first reaction isnt to push them in the face, I verbally assault them first until it escalates. So maybe Tek was showing some roid rage there, huh? If thats the case with Sheff then it's the case with Tek as well.

You were the one talking about adrenaline. Now someones hand passing my face doesn't get my adrenaline pumping, but someone saying f*** you to me, and threating one of my friends ... then telling me to bring it on definatly does.

 

 

but the correct answer for both incidents is ADRENALINE. Havent you every played sports? You never got an adrenaline rush?

Yes I have, but I'd never attacked a fan. If adrenaline rushes caused players to go after fans then wouldn't it be happened ALL THE TIME?

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

I was using the verified proof as my argument. Giambi may have been on roids during his A's stint; however Canseco's book (that is very damning) is done without any proof to back it up--just his word! Now the other book "game of shadows" uses nothing but "proof" ( court documents, government collected evidence, grand jury testimony, ect..." ) Going from the "proof" standpoint the book "game of shadows" says (from everything i have heard, i have not read it) that Giambi got hooked up with Balco becuase he went out there to see what greg anderson was doing to "keep bonds playing at such a high level". We have no idea if he was on roids before the yankers, but we do know that he was on them as a member of the yankers!

So you dont think he used "steroids" when he was in Oakland?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? He only started to use them once he got to the "yankees"?!?!?!??!?!?!!!!!!!!!!??????!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

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Oh but did they go into the stands? Oh thats right they didn't ... Sheffield did.

Way to avoid the question.

I never said they did, but had they, would you be crying roid rage? Probably not, but because Sheffield wears pinstripes 81 games a year thats a different story.

 

..and Sheff didnt go into the stands. Look at the video. He remained ON THE FIELD the entire time.

 

You were the one talking about adrenaline. Now someones hand passing my face doesn't get my adrenaline pumping, but someone saying f*** you to me, and threating one of my friends ... then telling me to bring it on definatly does.

It wasnt as innocent as someone's hand passing his face. The guy swattedat the f***ing ball. But I love how its justified in the Red Sox' case.

 

Yes I have, but I'd never attacked a fan. If adrenaline rushes caused players to go after fans then wouldn't it be happened ALL THE TIME?

If you're pumped, working out hard or playing basketball or baseball or whatever, and I come in and try to f*** with you while you're doing it, there is a pretty good chance your reaction would involve pushing me out of the way out of anger and frustration, and not thinking it through before doing it due to the adrenaline rush.

 

I love how one-sided everything is to you.

[mtbykr]

So you dont think he used "steroids" when he was in Oakland?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? He only started to use them once he got to the "yankees"?!?!?!??!?!?!!!!!!!!!!??????!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

 

Way to go smartguy! At least read the my post before sounding off. Just in case you missed it, here it is again:

 

I was using the verified proof as my argument. Giambi may have been on roids during his A's stint; however Canseco's book (that is very damning) is done without any proof to back it up--just his word! Now the other book "game of shadows" uses nothing but "proof" ( court documents, government collected evidence, grand jury testimony, ect..." ) Going from the "proof" standpoint the book "game of shadows" says (from everything i have heard, i have not read it) that Giambi got hooked up with Balco becuase he went out there to see what greg anderson was doing to "keep bonds playing at such a high level". We have no idea if he was on roids before the yankers, but we do know that he was on them as a member of the yankers!

 

 

I will explain it to you as well. My argument was based on actual facts, i.e. the evidence that the prosecutors collected on them. I was not basing it on hearsay which is what canseco's book is--it is his recount of the incidents and is his word against everyone else. Now with that said I believe he had probably tried them before he was a member of the yankers, but there is no proof to substantiate that.

 

What either of us believe is our opinion and is not based on fact! I am sure that Giambi used before, but the only proof on the table shows his use once he became a yanker!

[MC Hammer]

Way to avoid the question.

I never said they did, but had they, would you be crying roid rage? Probably not, but because Sheffield wears pinstripes 81 games a year thats a different story.

BUT THEY DIDN'T! You could if anything ... if your aunt had a dick she'd be your uncle ...

 

 

..and Sheff didnt go into the stands. Look at the video. He remained ON THE FIELD the entire time.

His hands crossing that wall for any purpose besides catching a ball is wrong.

 

It wasnt as innocent as someone's hand passing his face. The guy swattedat the f***ing ball. But I love how its justified in the Red Sox' case.

So when you see people swatting at a baseball your adrenaline gets pumping and you go at them ... thats interesting.

 

 

If you're pumped, working out hard or playing basketball or baseball or whatever, and I come in and try to f*** with you while you're doing it, there is a pretty good chance your reaction would involve pushing me out of the way out of anger and frustration, and not thinking it through before doing it due to the adrenaline rush.

 

I love how one-sided everything is to you.

No see you dont make those mistakes when you've been playing the game ALL YOUR LIFE. Sheffield likely started playing when he was 7 ... he is now 38 ... you're telling me in 31 years no one every tried to catch a ball, or get to a ball that he was trying to get? Have you watched a baseball game before? How many times have fans interfered with players trying to catch balls? And how many of them went after the fan?

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BUT THEY DIDN'T! You could if anything ... if your aunt had a dick she'd be your uncle ...

 

 

 

His hands crossing that wall for any purpose besides catching a ball is wrong.

 

 

So when you see people swatting at a baseball your adrenaline gets pumping and you go at them ... thats interesting.

 

 

 

No see you dont make those mistakes when you've been playing the game ALL YOUR LIFE. Sheffield likely started playing when he was 7 ... he is now 38 ... you're telling me in 31 years no one every tried to catch a ball, or get to a ball that he was trying to get? Have you watched a baseball game before? How many times have fans interfered with players trying to catch balls? And how many of them went after the fan?

You still dont get it man. Its not even worth arguing with you anymore. You're blinded by your hate for the Yankees abd your love for the Red Sox.

 

Edit: oops..thanks Moose

[Moose]

Edit: NO PROBLEMO!

[MC Hammer]

You still dont get it man. Its not even worth arguing with you anymore. You're blinded by your hate for the Red Sox abd your love for the Red Sox.

The guy who spins everything the Yankees way is telling me I'm blind. You make one comparison to discredit a Red Sox player ... then in your next post you use the same comparison to credit a Yankee player. There were 4 or 5 people who have called you out on that. You have no right to question anyones motives after you've shown yours so many times in the past.

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The guy who spins everything the Yankees way is telling me I'm blind. You make one comparison to discredit a Red Sox player ... then in your next post you use the same comparison to credit a Yankee player. There were 4 or 5 people who have called you out on that. You have no right to question anyones motives after you've shown yours so many times in the past.

Hey man, you can go through all of my posts. There is no denying that I have no problem giving a Red Sox player, and the Red Sox organization in general, credit when they deserve it. I think i'm pretty fair when I talk SOx. When the Sox make a good pickup I praise Theo and the organization. When the Yankees make a good pickup you're quick to point out the guys flaws. You're just so anti-Yankee its ridiculous. The same cant be said about me and the Sox.

 

Why dont you go hate the Phillies instead of us, and root for your Pirates and jump off the Sox bandwagon.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Way to go smartguy! At least read the my post before sounding off. Just in case you missed it, here it is again:

 

 

 

 

I will explain it to you as well. My argument was based on actual facts, i.e. the evidence that the prosecutors collected on them. I was not basing it on hearsay which is what canseco's book is--it is his recount of the incidents and is his word against everyone else. Now with that said I believe he had probably tried them before he was a member of the yankers, but there is no proof to substantiate that.

 

What either of us believe is our opinion and is not based on fact! I am sure that Giambi used before, but the only proof on the table shows his use once he became a yanker!

I wanted your personal opinion on weather he did "roids" in Oakland. Stop hiding behind that BS about "hearsay" just so you can say he only did roids as a Yankee. Just so you know Giambi also admitted using "roids" eariler in his baseball career prior to the Yankees in that grand jury testimony. That big flush you hear is your BS theory about theres only proof of him using roids in a Yankees uniform going down the toliet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Both Giambis said they had used steroids even earlier in their baseball careers.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=1936592

Both Giambis testified that they had already used steroids before they met Anderson or heard of BALCO, and they said they were drawn to the trainer because of Bonds' success.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/12/02/MNG80A523H1.DTL

[MC Hammer]

Why dont you go hate the Phillies instead of us, and root for your Pirates and jump off the Sox bandwagon.

... do you think people in Pittsburgh hate the Phillies? There is no passion in Pittsburgh baseball anymore.

 

As far as the bandwagon thing goes ... I've stated before that I became a Red Sox fan because I liked Pedro when I saw him with the Expos, and I followed him to the Red Sox. I would root for the Sox because I wanted Pedro to win ... by the end of the year I wasn't just a Pedro fan I was a Red Sox fan. Yeah I can't claim to be a lifelong fan, but who would jump on a Red Sox bandwagon that hadn't had a World Series trophy on it for 80 years?