Arroyo Traded to Reds

[Beckett95]

Arroyo really isnt need with all the pitching the Red Sox have. Pena adds depth to an OF which really didnt have any other than Dustan Mohr and possible Juan Gonzalez. Pena is a young guy with so much power potential. I think he'll turn out to be a 35-40 HR guy in the next couple of years.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Although I'm sad to see a great competitor in Bronson Arroyo leave we just aquired a very young powerful bat.

 

Interesting though that Willy Mo Pena will have to become a 4th outfielder. Of course we all know he will see plenty of time due to the fact he will platoon with Trot Nixon. I like the young direction our outfield is heading with 26 year old Coco Crisp and 24 year old Willy Mo Pena. Excellent trade for the Red Sox!

 

I would like to say the following: Bronson Arroyo has been one of my favorite pitchers and Red Sox players for the last couple seasons. He may not be the most gifted pitcher but he is a competitor and one of the big reasons the Red Sox won the World Series in 2004. Good luck in Cincinnati, I'll be cheering for you.

[ORS]

Wow, I really like this trade. I guess we know who is going to platoon with Trot and spell Manny when he needs it. Trot's days may be numbered, though. If he can't stay healthy again and Wily Mo learns a little discipline, then he'll probably lose the RF job in 2007 with the Sox not making an effort to resign him.

 

About Bronson's home-town discount. He likely signed for more than he would have gotten over the next three years in arbitration. His agent suggests otherwise, but that is based on Bronson's 2005 performance where he made 30+ starts and logged over 200 innings. He wasn't likely to get nearly that many starts nor that many innings in 2006 and 2007 with the mix of veterans and high-ceiling prospects on the Sox roster, and that would drop his arbitration award. Now Bronson gets to go somewhere where he'll get the pill every 5-days.

[Beckett95]

ya ive always liked Bronson to as he is a good competitor and he seemed to have liked it here in Boston. Good luck to him in Cinci

[jsinger121]

Anyone know how many more years the Sox have Wily Mo under their control for? I think it might be 2 more but I'm not too sure.

[riverside sluggers]

This also gives Papelbon more chances to pitch, which I prize.

 

About Arroyo, yes I will miss him of course. I got his CD, and love his version of Dirty Water. A classy guy who loved the city of Boston, Red Sox, and its fans (especially the teenage girls, i kid ). But overall the Sox got an offer to get a young outfielder with potential to be a power threat in the Sox lineup. They couldnt pass it by.

 

We are looking at Trot's platton partner I believe and eventual successor. Last season he had hit .291 against lefties. Plus he is moving from the Great American Ballpark to Fenway.

[a700hitter]

No just dont get upset about player leaving your team to go to the highest bidder. Its hypocrital to do that then turn around and cheer a trade after the player that got traded took a discount to stay and ended up getting traded.

It is hypocritical? That doesn't follow logically. The fans did not negotiate his contract or convince him to stay in Boston, so how are we hypocrites if we like this trade? Boy, this trade really must have twisted your underwear in a knot.

[ORS]

Anyone know how many more years the Sox have Wily Mo under their control for? I think it might be 2 more but I'm not too sure.

MLB4U.com has his service time at 2.101 years as of 1/15/06 when he signed a $1.25M contract. I'm not sure about the rules regarding 5+ years going into the season (I know 6 makes you a FA), so the Sox have him for at least the next 3 years.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

It is hypocritical? That doesn't follow logically. The fans did not negotiate his contract or convince him to stay in Boston, so how are we hypocrites if we like this trade? Boy, this trade really must have twisted your underwear in a knot.

I dont get upset about another team getting a backup/platoon OF. Clearly you dont get it(not suprising). I'm not even going to explain it anymore.

[a700hitter]

I dont get upset about another team getting a backup/platoon OF. Clearly you dont get it(not suprising). I'm not even going to explain it anymore.

Clearly, your point is devoid of logic.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Clearly, your point is devoid of logic.

Clearly you lack logic .

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

This also gives Papelbon more chances to pitch, which I prize.

 

About Arroyo, yes I will miss him of course. I got his CD, and love his version of Dirty Water. A classy guy who loved the city of Boston, Red Sox, and its fans (especially the teenage girls, i kid ). But overall the Sox got an offer to get a young outfielder with potential to be a power threat in the Sox lineup. They couldnt pass it by.

 

We are looking at Trot's platton partner I believe and eventual successor. Last season he had hit .291 against lefties. Plus he is moving from the Great American Ballpark to Fenway.

Well Great American Ball Park is a launching pad also. Moving to Fenway might help but its not like hes moving from a pitcher ball park.

[a700hitter]

Clearly you lack logic .

If I were to lack logic, that would not mean that your point was logical, or does that logic also escape you?

[Beckett95]

i was just watching some of willy mo's HR last year on MLB.com, and almost everyone of them landed atleast 10 rows deep in the bleachers. This guy has a pure power swing and at Fenway should put up ridiculous numbers. I see him as somewhat of an Ortiz type guy who has always had power, but never has put it all together with the plate discipline and stuff like that.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

i was just watching some of willy mo's HR last year on MLB.com, and almost everyone of them landed atleast 10 rows deep in the bleachers. This guy has a pure power swing and at Fenway should put up ridiculous numbers. I see him as somewhat of an Ortiz type guy who has always had power, but never has put it all together with the plate discipline and stuff like that.

He hit a 500FT blast one time into the GAB upper deck. He certainly has plus power.

[CrespoBlows]

yeah but dont you think its a little hypocritical to call it a business decision for the Red Sox but in another thread just kill Damon for going to the highest bidder. That was just business too. (I dont remember where you stood on the issue but this is for the people who called Damon a traiter for going to the highest bidder then praise this move by the Red Sox after Arroyo gave the Sox a discount to stay.

 

You're comparing two different people. Most Red Sox fans who call Johnny Damon a traitor, are deluded, biased fans as it is. Others, see the Damon signing as a business decision.

 

Remember, in professional sports, there is no loyalty. The Red Sox saw they could get a 24 year old outfielder, who has tremendous power potenial in exchange for a pitcher who's peaked in terms of development.

 

Bronson Arroyo was taken advantedge of though. But that was his own fault, seriously his name has cropped up in numerous trade rumors, why didn't he demand a trade escalation bonus if he traded? Why even sign the deal? It's because Bronson wasn't thinking, and when you do that, you get blindsided.

[yeszir]

i was just watching some of willy mo's HR last year on MLB.com, and almost everyone of them landed atleast 10 rows deep in the bleachers. This guy has a pure power swing and at Fenway should put up ridiculous numbers. I see him as somewhat of an Ortiz type guy who has always had power, but never has put it all together with the plate discipline and stuff like that.

So really, his up side is more like an Adam Dunn than an Ortiz.

 

Despite his shortcomings, Arroyo was very well liked in Boston. He seemed to fit with the team and the clubhouse. He'll get more chances to pitch in Cincinnati than he would have in Boston this year, so that's good for him. Maybe he'll have great stuff.

[CrespoBlows]

So really, his up side is more like an Adam Dunn than an Ortiz.

 

Despite his shortcomings, Arroyo was very well liked in Boston. He seemed to fit with the team and the clubhouse. He'll get more chances to pitch in Cincinnati than he would have in Boston this year, so that's good for him. Maybe he'll have great stuff.

 

No, I wouldn't say Dunn.

 

Pena has a better chance to rip HR's and hit for a higher average, but he isn't going to walk a lot.

 

I'd say his upside .280/.330/.520 maybe 35 HR's 100 RBI's

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

You're comparing two different people. Most Red Sox fans who call Johnny Damon a traitor, are deluded, biased fans as it is. Others, see the Damon signing as a business decision.

 

Remember, in professional sports, there is no loyalty. The Red Sox saw they could get a 24 year old outfielder, who has tremendous power potenial in exchange for a pitcher who's peaked in terms of development.

 

Bronson Arroyo was taken advantedge of though. But that was his own fault, seriously his name has cropped up in numerous trade rumors, why didn't he demand a trade escalation bonus if he traded? Why even sign the deal? It's because Bronson wasn't thinking, and when you do that, you get blindsided.

Bingo, this is the first post that actually had an revelence to what I was talking about(Looks like Crespo also lacks logic 700?)

 

Your 100% right. Bronson was taken advantage of and that is his fault and his fault only. He thought that if he took the discount they wouldnt dump him and they did anyway. It was a gamble and now hes getting paid that "discount" in Cincy. I dont even blame the sox for doing this. My beef is with those "deluded, biased fans" who only see it one way. It simply doesnt work that way.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

No, I wouldn't say Dunn.

 

Pena has a better chance to rip HR's and hit for a higher average, but he isn't going to walk a lot.

 

I'd say his upside .280/.330/.520 maybe 35 HR's 100 RBI's

Sounds like the OF version of Alfonso Soriano.

[riverside sluggers]

i was just watching some of willy mo's HR last year on MLB.com, and almost everyone of them landed atleast 10 rows deep in the bleachers. This guy has a pure power swing and at Fenway should put up ridiculous numbers. I see him as somewhat of an Ortiz type guy who has always had power, but never has put it all together with the plate discipline and stuff like that.

 

How cool is that? We have 2 Dominican sluggers who are power threats, Pena could very well join that mix

[yeszir]

You're comparing two different people. Most Red Sox fans who call Johnny Damon a traitor, are deluded, biased fans as it is. Others, see the Damon signing as a business decision.

The definition of fandom is bias. I'm biased towards my team, sue me. I reserve the right to declare Damon a traitor, not for leaving for more money, but for going to the Yankees. Maybe it was unfair of us to trade Arroyo after he took a discount (although realistically, how much more could he have really gotten?).

 

Baseball's a business, sure. But if Steve Jobs were to quit Apple and sign with Microsoft, wouldn't a lot of people be upset or at the very least confused?

[Beckett95]

He hit a 500FT blast one time into the GAB upper deck. He certainly has plus power.

ino its freaking amazing how far he can hit the ball. The problem is that he is looking for a HR every AB.

 

Ortiz's 2001 stats(MIN, 25)--.234 avg--.475 slug--.324 obp--18 HR--48 RBI--70 K--302 AB

Ortiz's 2002 stats(MIN, 26)--.270 avg--.500 slug--.338 obp--20 HR--75 RBI--88 K--412 AB

Ortiz's 2003 stats(BOS, 27)--.288 avg--.592 slug--.369 obp--31 HR--101 RBI--82 K--448 AB

and he has gotten better each year since then

 

Pena's 2004 stats(CIN, 22)--.259 avg--.527 slug--.316 obp--26 HR--66 RBI--108 K--336 AB

Pena's 2005 stats(CIN, 23)--.254 avg--.495 slug--.304 obp--19 HR--51 RBI--116 K--311 AB

Pena's 2006 stats(BOS, 24)--???????????

 

the biggest problem I see with Pena is plate discipline. Last year he had 116 K's to 20 BB, which is horrendous. Hopefully papa jack can work with him and turn him into an all-star

[The Monster is my Mom]

I am a Cincinnati fan and they have been talking about his upside for the past couple years. So far it hasn't really materialized because he either strikes out too much or is hurt. Maybe he will break through like Ortiz did when he got here. I think it is too early to tell if this guy will be our future RF.

[Beckett95]

Sounds like the OF version of Alfonso Soriano.

thats exactly what he is, minus the speed

[yeszir]

If there's one man I trust to make this guy a star, it's this man:

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/pics/ron_jackson_autograph.jpg

[Beckett95]

I am a Cincinnati fan and they have been talking about his upside for the past couple years. So far it hasn't really materialized because he either strikes out too much or is hurt. Maybe he will break through like Ortiz did when he got here. I think it is too early to tell if this guy will be our future RF.

 

Oritz didnt break through till he was 27 so Pena, only 24, has some time to work with

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

ino its freaking amazing how far he can hit the ball. The problem is that he is looking for a HR every AB.

 

Ortiz's 2001 stats(MIN, 25)--.234 avg--.475 slug--.324 obp--18 HR--48 RBI--70 K--302 AB

Ortiz's 2002 stats(MIN, 26)--.270 avg--.500 slug--.338 obp--20 HR--75 RBI--88 K--412 AB

Ortiz's 2003 stats(BOS, 27)--.288 avg--.592 slug--.369 obp--31 HR--101 RBI--82 K--448 AB

and he has gotten better each year since then

 

Pena's 2004 stats(CIN, 22)--.259 avg--.527 slug--.316 obp--26 HR--66 RBI--108 K--336 AB

Pena's 2005 stats(CIN, 23)--.254 avg--.495 slug--.304 obp--19 HR--51 RBI--116 K--311 AB

Pena's 2006 stats(BOS, 24)--???????????

 

the biggest problem I see with Pena is plate discipline. Last year he had 116 K's to 20 BB, which is horrendous. Hopefully papa jack can work with him and turn him into an all-star

Yeah thats a problem. K's dont really concern me. I would just like the player to walk alittle more. Its like Adam Dunn. He k's like 150 per year but he also always has a fine OBP.

[MC Hammer]

Sounds like the OF version of Alfonso Soriano.

Maybe, but Willy Mo can actually catch the ball.

[Beckett95]

Yeah thats a problem. K's dont really concern me. I would just like the player to walk alittle more. Its like Adam Dunn. He k's like 150 per year but he also always has a fine OBP.

 

ya exactly. If you strike out 120 times in 310 AB's, you better be either hitting .300 or getting a LOT of walks