Arroyo Traded to Reds

[riverside sluggers]

I was the one who said he had a strong arm and has raw defensive skills. The fact is he was god damn rushed to the big leagues when he should have been in the minors polishing his skills. Arroyo is a back of the rotation starter that we can find anywhere. Pena is a raw 24 yr old with 40 homer potential power. Those types of hitters don't grow on trees. If you offered me Pena for Arroyo 100 times I would say yes 100 times. Pena is in a better situation now. He is surrounder by 2 of the best Dominican Power Hitters who can show him the way to success and he also has a great hitting coach in Papa Jack. I don't see any downside to this trade at all.

 

Pena at Ft Myers camp

 

He is one imposing figure: http://bostondirtdogs.boston.com/Headline_Archives/2006/03/so_long_bronson_1.html

 

He's basically the same height & weight as Ortiz. Now thats intimidation for an opposing pitcher

 

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EDIT: And what a surprise is included. Johnny "I have to give my thoughts about this Boston deal" Damon gives his point of view of the Sox front office. Again surprisingly, he compares them to the Yankees front office. Im still scratching my head how sports writers are imagining a long standing ovation for Damon at Fenway Park. Even comparing it already to O-Cab's last season, just not seeing it.

[jsinger121]

Arroyo wasn't a star on the level of Pedro or Nomar, but I hate it when players leave on bad terms, be it through a trade or through free agency. Hopefully he'll accept the fact that it was a business decision that sent him away. I'm pretty sure Cincinnatti has a smaller music scene than Boston, so why knows? Maybe he'll hit it big there.

 

Plus he is closer to the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame which is in Cleveland

[yeszir]

If it pisses Damon off, I think we should trade the entire team.

[The Monster is my Mom]

Its a good move for both teams. You have extra pitching, so you spun it off for extra bench help. I'm not that high on Willy, but I didnt think much of Brandon either, so to me its a wash talent wise, and one that makes sense for both teams.

 

Do you call him Brandon on purpose, McCarver?

[He Hate Me]

Do you call him Brandon on purpose, McCarver?

 

That's his real name isn't it?

[jsinger121]

That's his real name isn't it?

 

Its Bronson

[He Hate Me]

Its Bronson

 

no way, why would McCarver call him Brandon then? it must be true.

[jsinger121]

no way, why would McCarver call him Brandon then? it must be true.

 

Because McCarver is an idiot and messes up in the broadcast booth. His name is Bronson not Brandon.

[ORS]

Sorry HHM, but I'm calling the mercy rule. Jsinger, he's been taking you for a ride, and a long one at that.

[KeepTheFaith1229]

Sorry HHM, but I'm calling the mercy rule. Jsinger, he's been taking you for a ride, and a long one at that.

 

I didn't want to say anything.

[He Hate Me]

damn you people, blowing up my spot like that.

[yeszir]

Sorry HHM, but I'm calling the mercy rule. Jsinger, he's been taking you for a ride, and a long one at that.

Why you gotta go and spoil a good thing like that.

[ORS]

What can I say, I felt sorry for the guy.

[26 to 6]

OK well i'm obviously a little late on this one, but I figured i'd chime in anyways. When I first heard yesterday afternoon I wanted to run on here and talk about it with you guys, however my computer hasnt been working.

 

Anyways, this trade is a very interesting one to me. It's going to be extremely weird seeing Arroyo anywhere other than Boston. He, and his personality fit very well up there and he has grown to become a huge fan favorite. On the other hand, a GREAT deal by Theo. This trade sucks for Yankee fans, because the addition of Wily Mo (formerly Yankee property) will only lead to good things for the Sox. This guy can play all 3 OF positions (as well as gonna possibly learn some 1B, I heard today), has a rocket of an arm, and has good raw power. Once he learns to balance everything and becomes a smarter player, he's going to be a STAR. This is definately on the positive side for the Sox.

 

Dammit!!! Why did we have to trade him?!

 

And, DAMMIT Bowden, why couldnt you bring him to Washington with you last year to avoid him going to Boston!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jsinger121]

Why did you have to sign him to a major league contract thus hindering his development.?

[26 to 6]

Why did you have to sign him to a major league contract thus hindering his development.?

Good question.

 

But the answer is because we knew he was the s*** and that's what it took to get him rather than him going somewhere else .

 

EDIT: And what a surprise is included. Johnny "I have to give my thoughts about this Boston deal" Damon gives his point of view of the Sox front office. Again surprisingly, he compares them to the Yankees front office. Im still scratching my head how sports writers are imagining a long standing ovation for Damon at Fenway Park. Even comparing it already to O-Cab's last season, just not seeing it

There is definately something wrong when a shortstop who was a part of your team for 3 months gets more love and respect after leaving than a center fielder who was there for 4 years, and evolved into one of the game's premier players in that time.

Thats why Sox leave for the Yanks, and have things to say afterwards.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

I am paticulary mad at this deal. Arroyo signed for a hometown discount and now is turned away. I think as he grows older he will become a better pitcher. Watch him become Jeff Bagwell all over again. However Pena was a good return.

 

If we all chip in, is there anyway we can buy a stupidity censor? Comparing Bronson Arroyo to Jeff Bagwell? Are you serious? Arroyo will never win 20 games. Ever. He'll be lucky if he ever sees 16 wins in a season. I liked the guy, I got a kick out of some of his antics, but he's an average to sliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiightly above average pitcher, that's the long and short of it. Comparing him to a future HOFer like Bagwell is assinine.

[Beckett95]

Chris Snow on Willy Mo

 

Wily Mo Pena just took batting practice. He hit some absolute bombs -- one off the scoreboard in left center, one over the scoreboard, and a smattering onto the field behind the left-field wall.

 

He's going to get an at-bat or two today, Terry Francona said.

 

Pena, who was to start in left field for the Reds, said he's OK with a part-time role.

 

"That's ok," he said. "They told me they're going to give me a chance against the lefty. I'm going to play a lot against lefties. So I have to make the opportunity. When the opportunity comes I have to be ready. I know I was going to be a starter in Cincinnati. So I have to adjust my game and keep working hard."

 

Pena, on Fenway: "That's a great ballpark. We were there last year. That was my first time. I said, I can't believe I'm here. Now I'm going to be there a lot."

 

How many homers could he hit if he played every day? "I don't know. I don't want to say that. I'm not going to say I can hit that many."

 

Pena said he played first base in the Dominican during winter ball but Francona said he'll be strictly an outfielder.

 

"The best I play is center field and right field," he said. "Like I told them, if they need me everywhere I just need to be ready."

 

Asked how much he weighs, he said: "About 250. I guess." He stopped to wag his tongue, suggesting he could be a bit bulkier, though it looks to be largely muscle. "When I get here I was like 260. I said to myself, I have to get down to 250, 245."

 

[ORS]

There is definately something wrong when a shortstop who was a part of your team for 3 months gets more love and respect after leaving than a center fielder who was there for 4 years, and evolved into one of the game's premier players in that time.

Thats why Sox leave for the Yanks, and have things to say afterwards.

OC and Damon leaving are apples and orangutans. Damon will get the same treatment that Boomer got last year. Actually, Damon keeps making the sentiment toward him worse, so his may exceed Boomer's. Keep telling yourself that the Yankee fanbase is morally superior to the Sox' base though, I'm sure you need that delusion to just get out of bed each morning.

[riverside sluggers]

Good question.

 

But the answer is because we knew he was the s*** and that's what it took to get him rather than him going somewhere else .

 

 

There is definately something wrong when a shortstop who was a part of your team for 3 months gets more love and respect after leaving than a center fielder who was there for 4 years, and evolved into one of the game's premier players in that time.

Thats why Sox leave for the Yanks, and have things to say afterwards.

 

Im booing him not because he left, not because he took more money, its because he went to the Yankees. Period. How come its hard for you guys to understand? This comes with the business of the rivalry.

[god is a redsox FAN]

exactly. We are booing him because he went to the enemy. The yankees, red sox rivalry is the most heated rivalry of all time, and when someone the fans love goes over to the evil empire... that pisses us off

[Cityofchampions33]

yeah, comparing the Yanks fan base to Sox Nation is ludacris, half of your fans like your team because they always won in the past (fairweather fans) and a Sox fan emanwhile, has had to go thru 86 years of suffering before seeing the glorious day when we won. Not saying there aren't good Yankee fans (like the ones here) but I know pelnty who can't name more than ARod and Jeter.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

yeah, comparing the Yanks fan base to Sox Nation is ludacris, half of your fans like your team because they always won in the past (fairweather fans) and a Sox fan emanwhile, has had to go thru 86 years of suffering before seeing the glorious day when we won. Not saying there aren't good Yankee fans (like the ones here) but I know pelnty who can't name more than ARod and Jeter.

 

I don't know if you can really make that arguement...granted the Yankees are a storied franchise and have won 26 World Championships and what not, but it's not like they're on EVERY SINGLE YEAR. It can be easy to think that way because of their performance over the last 15 years or so, but when Steinbrenner took over the team the Yankees were AWFUL. They had a huge lul in the 80's when they couldn't win a freaking game.

 

And we can't pretend there aren't any Sox fans who just jumped on the bandwagon either. I know for the most part, all fans here of the Sox and the Yanks have been there through and through, but there's bandwagoneers on both sides, not just the Yanks.

 

That being said...I still hate Yankee fans

[Cityofchampions33]

True, but I'm just saying I haven't met as many fairweather Sox fans as I ahve Yanks fairweatehrs, and I live in Boston.

[mtbykr]

I don't know if you can really make that arguement...granted the Yankees are a storied franchise and have won 26 World Championships and what not, but it's not like they're on EVERY SINGLE YEAR. It can be easy to think that way because of their performance over the last 15 years or so, but when Steinbrenner took over the team the Yankees were AWFUL. They had a huge lul in the 80's when they couldn't win a freaking game.

 

And we can't pretend there aren't any Sox fans who just jumped on the bandwagon either. I know for the most part, all fans here of the Sox and the Yanks have been there through and through, but there's bandwagoneers on both sides, not just the Yanks.

 

That being said...I still hate Yankee fans

 

That is true to a point; there are bandwagon fans on both sides. I remember after 04 there were fans that i didn't even know existed coming out everywhere---and that's fine they are still fans. However i have never seen more bandwagon fans than yanker fans--and alot of that has to do with the fact that they won a lot throughout the 90's, coupled with the media's love affair with them! My best friend is a yanker fan (grew up in NJ) and he will be the first to admit that there are way too many yanker bandwagon fans.

 

I can always tell a diehard sox fan when i meet them though:D

[ARod2212]

This is why I think people are f***ing retarded.

 

There are bandwagon, fairweather, casual... whatever the f*** you want to call them.. fans for EVERY FRANCHISE IN PROFESSIONAL SPORTS. Saying 'half your fans are just there because you win all the time' or whatever, is garbage. Complete garbage. Just because a group has 'fans' who don't know the game as much as you do, does not make a fan base less intelligent. Mainly because again, every team has people like that.

 

Gah, I'm just tired of that s***.

 

By the way it's especially dumb to ostracize Yankee fans in general here, considering the ones you are directly debating with are obviously informed enough to at least hold intelligent conversation.

 

I realize that you probably don't mean to insult us in particular, but imagine somebody walks up to you and says "oh yeah, all (ethnic group) are f***ing useless and stupid." That'll probably get under your skin. Just keep that in perspective, and try to think a little bit before you hit that reply button.

[KeepTheFaith1229]

The Yankee fans who post here aren't fair weather, but they do have some, as do we. Almost everyone does. But to say every franchise in professional sports, well, I don't think the Royals have any bandwagon fans.

[ARod2212]

The Yankee fans who post here aren't fair weather, but they do have some, as do we. Almost everyone does. But to say every franchise in professional sports, well, I don't think the Royals have any bandwagon fans.

See I think bandwagon and uninformed fall into the same category. There might be a Royals fan who can only name Mike Sweeney, and knows little to nothing about the game. I'd put him into that same group of 'stupid baseball fans'. That's just my opinon, it's pretty much semantics.

[26 to 6]

OC and Damon leaving are apples and orangutans. Damon will get the same treatment that Boomer got last year. Actually, Damon keeps making the sentiment toward him worse, so his may exceed Boomer's. Keep telling yourself that the Yankee fanbase is morally superior to the Sox' base though, I'm sure you need that delusion to just get out of bed each morning.

Correct. Because A) I DID in fact make reference to the Yankees' fanbase in my post which you quoted, and I dont know how I could get through the vigors of my day without telling myself that. Because it really matters to me that much.

 

But hey, I see what you're saying with the Boomer comparrison. Makes sense.

 

Im booing him not because he left, not because he took more money, its because he went to the Yankees. Period. How come its hard for you guys to understand? This comes with the business of the rivalry.

So it's cool for you guys to boo Damon because he came to the Yanks, but we're bad guys for booing Wells?

 

yeah, comparing the Yanks fan base to Sox Nation is ludacris, half of your fans like your team because they always won in the past (fairweather fans) and a Sox fan emanwhile, has had to go thru 86 years of suffering before seeing the glorious day when we won. Not saying there aren't good Yankee fans (like the ones here) but I know pelnty who can't name more than ARod and Jeter.

bro, half of this huge, worldwide Sox fanbase only jumped on board after winning the hearts of all following their 2003 ALCS loss. Thats when this whole Red Sox Nation ******** really got underway. I think it's safe to say that you guys have just as many fair-weather fans, if not more.

 

I don't know if you can really make that arguement...granted the Yankees are a storied franchise and have won 26 World Championships and what not, but it's not like they're on EVERY SINGLE YEAR. It can be easy to think that way because of their performance over the last 15 years or so, but when Steinbrenner took over the team the Yankees were AWFUL. They had a huge lul in the 80's when they couldn't win a freaking game.

 

And we can't pretend there aren't any Sox fans who just jumped on the bandwagon either. I know for the most part, all fans here of the Sox and the Yanks have been there through and through, but there's bandwagoneers on both sides, not just the Yanks.

 

That being said...I still hate Yankee fans

Thanks

 

media's love affair with them!

What are you talking about? Ever since Boston became America's team we have been fighting for positive media recognition. Everyone HATES us! And ESPN, oh forget it!

 

The Yankee fans who post here aren't fair weather, but they do have some, as do we. Almost everyone does. But to say every franchise in professional sports, well, I don't think the Royals have any bandwagon fans.

I'm sure back in the '80's they did.

[riverside sluggers]

So it's cool for you guys to boo Damon because he came to the Yanks, but we're bad guys for booing Wells?

 

Non no hey its alright with me if you boo, like I said it comes with the rivalry. Ive just brought up that before to show that Sox fans arent always the ones to boo players who went to the other side. Thats all really