Possible 3 way deal?

[KeepTheFaith1229]

There is now something up about it on http://www.mlbtraderumors.com

 

It just says someone posted it on SoSH, but if it gets there than you know there is at least some substance to it.

[jsinger121]

that website has so many fake rumors on it. its not a very reliable site.

[Redguitar985]

Would trading Vidro fix the Soriano problem for the Nats? I know that was one of their problems.

[Rosey]

"Latest Red Sox Rumor'

 

Still no link to something factual? :dunno:

[schillingouttheks]

Apparently not. I doubt this is actually a true trade proposal. We're giving up Clement and Cora for Milledge and Nady in return basically. I just don't see how this could be true.

[MC Hammer]

Apparently not. I doubt this is actually a true trade proposal. We're giving up Clement and Cora for Milledge and Nady in return basically. I just don't see how this could be true.

Yeah I don't know how anyone could see this deal and think it's real.

[KeepTheFaith1229]

I was just passing along information...

[gosox34]

If I were Theo I'd do this in a heartbeat.

[Cityofchampions33]

Well, as said in mlbtraderumors, if Milledge isn't involved it makes none sense for us at all, with no big improvement coming in return. If Milledge is comin to town, however, it makes no sense for the Mets at all. Esseenitally they trade Millegde for a 30+ year old 2B with a crazy salary, where instead they could make a run at Zito for it. I understand at balking it for Diaz, so that must be what's really going down if it is indeed true.

[RedSoxRooter]

Unless Manny's involved somehow...

 

 

with Theo ya never know. :dunno:

[example1]

Well, as said in mlbtraderumors, if Milledge isn't involved it makes none sense for us at all, with no big improvement coming in return. If Milledge is comin to town, however, it makes no sense for the Mets at all. Esseenitally they trade Millegde for a 30+ year old 2B with a crazy salary, where instead they could make a run at Zito for it. I understand at balking it for Diaz, so that must be what's really going down if it is indeed true.

 

I'm one who believes that the Mets are going for it. I think they are willing to overspend on those pieces that they believe could make the difference for them. I could very well see them giving up Milledge for Clement, I think they are that desperate. And I don't think their desperation is unfounded; I think they ARE close. They will have a good team next year and would be better with Clement as a #3 at a semi-reasonable price/contract. The mets didn't sign Pedro, Delgado, Beltran to let a guy like Lastings Milledge stand in the way of giving them 2 seasons of high-level contention. Just my opinion, of course, but that deal doesn't seem ridiculous to me.

[Cityofchampions33]

I agree that they have a small window as of now but IMO this deal makes nos ense for them. Also they aren't getting Clement, theyre getting Jose Vidro. The same Jose Vidro tha hit .275 with 7 HRs for his ridiculous salary, and lest face ir, he aint gettin any younger (30 years old). Jsut doesnts eem like the right player to trade for when you have an aging Cliff Floyd, and a young star OF.

[riverside sluggers]

mlbtraderumors.com

 

Mets Interested In Wells?

Spoke with my Mets guy this morning. He had plenty of info to pass along.

 

First, he said that any recent rumors going around are "bogus." Plenty of other websites have added to that sentiment.

 

He also mentioned that Minaya wants to add a starter. That's fairly well known, but he also said that the Mets may try to make a move on David Wells if nothing better comes along before spring training. It's the first I'd heard of that.

 

He said the Mets are convinced that Anderson Hernandez is the answer at second base for 2006, and that Jeff Keppinger could be moved for pitching if he has a good spring. No doubt the Mets would love to dump Kaz Matsui if someone would take even half his salary.

 

Another one Im putting up in the air, no reason or space for the Sox to even consider taking on another 2nd baseman/shortstop

[MC Hammer]

mlbtraderumors.com

 

 

 

Another one Im putting up in the air, no reason or space for the Sox to even consider taking on another 2nd baseman/shortstop

Well Wells isn't going to another east coast team so it's pointless to talk about it.

[Redguitar985]

The Sox are going to wait until ST and then talk to Wells to see what he thinks.

[elsrbueno]

Unless Manny's involved somehow...

 

with Theo ya never know. :dunno:

 

I'm with you there RSR. I'm sure Manny's name will be tossed around in the rumor mill throughout this season and in Spring Training. I think Theo and his crew have WANTED to trade Manny Ramirez (despite what they're saying in the media) since they took over-- they just haven't found a match just yet.

 

I also think the NY Mets are the only team desperate enough to give a decent package back-- too bad they don't have a ton of talent.

 

As far as the Wells rumor-- who knows. It really depends on what's REALLY going on inside Wells' head. If he wants to get out of Boston because he can't go drinking after the game, a trade to the Mets makes sense. If he really wants to be in Southern California to finish his career, then the bottom line is that he wouldn't be as happy in New York.

 

HOWEVER, to my knowledge David Wells does not have a no trade clause in his contract.... so if the Red Sox got a good package from the Mets, I don't see any reason that they couldn't make that trade... other than the obvious backlash of Wells going somewhere he didn't want to go, but it's not like Wells is really the kind of class act guy you try to accomidate at all costs......

[schillingouttheks]

Well, one of the baseball coaches at my school is a scout for the Mets. He said this has little to no truth to it. Then again, he's only a scout, but that's what he said. He also said that he heard a rumor with the Sox/O's again. The O's need pitching and would need a SS in return to trade us Tejada, and he said what was being thrown was Gonzalez and a top notch minor league pitcher from the Sox (most likely Lester) for Tejada. And yes, we keep Manny. I know we're giving up Lester, but the fact that we can keep Manny and get Tejada is thrilling. Well, we'll see. I don't know how solid the info coming from a scout is, but that's what he said was being thrown around. Thoughts?

[KeepTheFaith1229]

Well, one of the baseball coaches at my school is a scout for the Mets. He said this has little to no truth to it. Then again, he's only a scout, but that's what he said. He also said that he heard a rumor with the Sox/O's again. The O's need pitching and would need a SS in return to trade us Tejada, and he said what was being thrown was Gonzalez and a top notch minor league pitcher from the Sox (most likely Lester) for Tejada. And yes, we keep Manny. I know we're giving up Lester, but the fact that we can keep Manny and get Tejada is thrilling. Well, we'll see. I don't know how solid the info coming from a scout is, but that's what he said was being thrown around. Thoughts?

 

Well, I reaaaallllyy don't want to trade Lester. Maybe we could work something out...like Delcarmen and Brandon Moss?:dunno:

[Beckett95]

Lester and Gonzalez for Tejada??

 

REALLY tempting

 

imagine the lineup

 

1. Crisp

2. Loretta

3. Manny

4. Ortiz

5. Tejada

6. Nixon

7. Lowell

8. Varitek

9. Youk

 

would be one of the best in baseball, right up there with the yankees. I would hate to loose Lester though

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I would too. Miguel Tejada is an awesome player...but power throwing lefty pitchers are hard to come by. Lester can throw some gas and how much would we love to have Johan Santana?? Not saying Lester is Santana but you never know....he could be

[jsinger121]

i wouldn't trade lester at all. he is is the second best lefthander in the minors behind francisco liriano. good young pitching is tough to find and especially if it is lefthanded.

[elsrbueno]

Well, one of the baseball coaches at my school is a scout for the Mets. He said this has little to no truth to it. Then again, he's only a scout, but that's what he said. He also said that he heard a rumor with the Sox/O's again. The O's need pitching and would need a SS in return to trade us Tejada, and he said what was being thrown was Gonzalez and a top notch minor league pitcher from the Sox (most likely Lester) for Tejada. And yes, we keep Manny. I know we're giving up Lester, but the fact that we can keep Manny and get Tejada is thrilling. Well, we'll see. I don't know how solid the info coming from a scout is, but that's what he said was being thrown around. Thoughts?

 

I'd rather trade Manny Ramirez than trade Lester to get Miguel Tejada.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Here is the fun rumor which apparently started on WEEI:

 

Dodgers Send: Derek Lowe, Hee Sop Choi

Red Sox Send: David Wells, Alex Gonzalez, Kevin Youkilis, Jon Lester, Tony Graffanino

Orioles Send: Miguel Tejada, Luis Matos

 

Dodgers Get: Wells, Graffanino, Matos

Red Sox Get: Tejada, Choi

Orioles Get: Lowe, Gonzalez, Youkilis, Lester

 

.....remove Lester and I like the trade (perhaps get the Dodgers to involve Chad Billingwhatever) while we send the Dodgers a different player

[elsrbueno]

Here is the fun rumor which apparently started on WEEI:

 

Dodgers Send: Derek Lowe, Hee Sop Choi

Red Sox Send: David Wells, Alex Gonzalez, Kevin Youkilis, Jon Lester, Tony Graffanino

Orioles Send: Miguel Tejada, Luis Matos

 

Dodgers Get: Wells, Graffanino, Matos

Red Sox Get: Tejada, Choi

Orioles Get: Lowe, Gonzalez, Youkilis, Lester

 

.....remove Lester and I like the trade (perhaps get the Dodgers to involve Chad Billingwhatever) while we send the Dodgers a different player

 

Isn't there some rule against trading a player who you just signed as a free agent? This would mean Alex Gonzalez is untradable. Even still, I don't like the deal.

 

The Red Sox trade a right handed hitting Youk for a lefthanded hitting Choi, giving the Sox 2 lefthanded hitting first baseman. Wells, Gonzalez, Lester, and Graffanino for Tejada? A steep price. Like you said I think it's a good deal for the Red Sox without Lester, but then again why would the Orioles trade Matos and Tejada for Lowe, Gonzalez, and Youkilis without getting Lester?

 

For those two reasons I don't see this being all that realistic. I repeat my earlier sentiment-- I'd MUCH MUCH rather trade Manny Ramirez than Lester for Miguel Tejada.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

The Red Sox trade a right handed hitting Youk for a lefthanded hitting Choi, giving the Sox 2 lefthanded hitting first baseman. Wells, Gonzalez, Lester, and Graffanino for Tejada? A steep price. Like you said I think it's a good deal for the Red Sox without Lester, but then again why would the Orioles trade Matos and Tejada for Lowe, Gonzalez, and Youkilis without getting Lester?

 

I agree thats why I mentioned Chad Billingsley from the Dodgers. He is there top pitching prospect. Perhaps there was a way they would deal him as opposed to us dealing Lester. I think this is a bunch of crap as well though. I'm hearing a lot of rumors but everything is being thrown around with no truth.

[Rdsxmbnt]

You dont get Tejada by trading Wells, Graffanino and Youkillis, Lester pretty much has to be involved, and its not worth it.

[elsrbueno]

I agree thats why I mentioned Chad Billingsley from the Dodgers. He is there top pitching prospect. Perhaps there was a way they would deal him as opposed to us dealing Lester. I think this is a bunch of crap as well though. I'm hearing a lot of rumors but everything is being thrown around with no truth.

 

Yep. It all depends on how badly the O's want to be rid of Tejada. If they'd take a package of say Matt Clement, Trot Nixon, and a Dave Murphy quality prospect I'd make that deal. I'd still do Tejada for Manny, but the Orioles obviously won't do that.

 

If I was the Orioles, I wouldn't have been stupid enough to think Kris Benson was the answer to my problems, but ALSO I'd try to retool a bit, starting with Javy Lopez and Miguel Tejada. They're a 4th place team at BEST right now, so those guys do them no good.

 

While we're talking eyes in the clouds trade ideas, how about the following:

Red Sox trade: Dave Murphy, David Wells, Kevin Youkilis, Tony Graffanino

Dodgers trade: Prospects (not Billingsley most likely)

Orioles trade: Miguel Tejada, Javy Lopez

 

Red Sox get: Tejada, Lopez

Dodgers get: Wells, Graffanino

Orioles get: Murphy, Youkilis, prospects (from Dodgers).

 

Like I said: Eyes in the clouds. Probably needs a bit of retooling with the Sox giving up a little bit more either to LA for better prospects or in form of prospects (sans Lester or Papelbon but anyone else IMO is fair game).

 

bam-- instant contender in Boston with potent bats of Tejada at short and Lopez at first. Baltimore gets a decent prospect in Murphy and a young cheap first baseman in Youkilis (who can also play third) and decent prospects from LA.

 

Boston's lineup instantly contends with New York's because that's 2 potential 30 HR bats added. Baltimore can put Mora at short (isn't that where he started his career?) and put Youk at third if they'd rather...

[Ray10]

I don't see why the Mets would do that trade. They are trading away one of there top prospects in Latings Milledge for a guy like Alex Cora. I see them expecting more outta the deal then just Clement and Cora for Nady and Milledge.

[KeepTheFaith1229]

I don't see why the Mets would do that trade. They are trading away one of there top prospects in Latings Milledge for a guy like Alex Cora. I see them expecting more outta the deal then just Clement and Cora for Nady and Milledge.

 

Minaya was also trying to get Livan Hernandez in the deal.

[example1]

I would too. Miguel Tejada is an awesome player...but power throwing lefty pitchers are hard to come by. Lester can throw some gas and how much would we love to have Johan Santana?? Not saying Lester is Santana but you never know....he could be

 

What do people feel? Would we rather lose Papelbon or Lester? I am assuming that the sox can sign Beckett for the next 4 years sometime soon, and either one of those guys would likely be the 2nd starter. Arroyo is young and many are expecting a good year out of him. He will be a "crafty veteran" within two years, but not old. I think that gives them a solid staff. That lineup would be DISGUSTING if they were able to get Tejada without giving up Manny.

 

Deal Papelbon, keep Wells and Clement.

 

Crisp

Loretta

Manny

Ortiz

Tejada

Nixon

Varitek

Lowell

Youkilis

 

Schilling

Beckett

Wakefield

Wells

Clement

 

Mmm Mmm Mmm. That would be as good as any of the last three Sox playoff teams was, likely better. I think it will be better because this should be the best pen the sox have had in a few years; seriously. Even though I highly doubt whether Foulke come back to form. When Schilling, Wakefield and Wells all retire (perhaps all after next season???) it still leaves a rotation of Beckett, Clement, Lester, Arroyo and someone, with room for a good farm pitcher (Bowden in 2-3 years?) to come up in due time.

 

Too bad its not real.