RUMOR: Reed to Boston almost done?

[KeepTheFaith1229]

Edmonds will be turning 36 this season

 

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1. Jim Edmonds cf

2. Mark Loretta 2b

3. David Ortiz dh

4. Manny Ramirez lf

5. Trot Nixon rf

6. Jason Varitek c

7. Mike Lowell 3b

8. Alex Cora ss

9. Kevin Youkilis 1b

 

My bad, I thought he was older than that.

 

About the lineup...I don't think we should bat him leadoff (if we get him), I would rather see him in the 5 hole where he can drive in some runs. Also, in the five hole, he is sort of the 2nd leadoff hitter, because the person that leads off the most innings besides the leadoff man is the 5th batter.

 

I really want to see what Youk can do leading off. If Youkilis was to faulter in the leadoff role, then maybe Edmonds could step in.

[jimmycarter05]

I agree with Keepthefaith on leting Youk start the season as the leadoff hitter, I mean they don't call him the Greek God of Walks for nothing. I also hope the Cards won't ask for Lester, Paps, Marte, Pedrioa, or Ellsbury. I truthfully don't see Edmonds coming here.

[Cityofchampions33]

Yeah, I wouldn't but too much into what this ste says.

[ksushi]

Edmonds most certainly is a long shot. I don't think the sox have the kind of stuff to offer. Since he's a little on the older side and is talking retirement, its likely that any offer the Cards make to anyone for young kids won't get much attention other than a brief chuckle. They'll be looking for the sort of deal that the Yanks landed Johnson with, a pitcher like Vazquez around the age of 29 or 30 with some upside left and then a hitter. The closest we would have is Clement and Nixon, and then they'd probably need a lower level prospect like an Ellsbury or a Moss to kick the deal. I don't think Clement really wows the cardinals very much being a lock for the playoffs and all - we all know what kind of a performance Clement is capable of in the playoffs. Clement is best suited being offered to small market teams with less than rowdy fan bases. Thats where he has his value.

 

I think the Cardinals would rather make a push with what they have. They came damn close last year to the series... with no Rolen. I'd hold tight if I were them unless someone like the Jays came out of no where and offered Vernon Wells and Gusatvo Chacin. That would be different.

[elsrbueno]

Edmonds most certainly is a long shot. I don't think the sox have the kind of stuff to offer. Since he's a little on the older side and is talking retirement, its likely that any offer the Cards make to anyone for young kids won't get much attention other than a brief chuckle. They'll be looking for the sort of deal that the Yanks landed Johnson with, a pitcher like Vazquez around the age of 29 or 30 with some upside left and then a hitter. The closest we would have is Clement and Nixon, and then they'd probably need a lower level prospect like an Ellsbury or a Moss to kick the deal. I don't think Clement really wows the cardinals very much being a lock for the playoffs and all - we all know what kind of a performance Clement is capable of in the playoffs. Clement is best suited being offered to small market teams with less than rowdy fan bases. Thats where he has his value.

 

I think the Cardinals would rather make a push with what they have. They came damn close last year to the series... with no Rolen. I'd hold tight if I were them unless someone like the Jays came out of no where and offered Vernon Wells and Gusatvo Chacin. That would be different.

 

I agree. The Cardinals are not a rebuilding team, they are very competitive still and with a ton of vets I see them trying to stay that way and win with the guys they've got. Rolen, Edmonds, Pujols, etc.

 

I'd be shocked if the Cardinals traded Edmonds. Their pitching staff is good enough with their offense to win the central, and even their backend guys like Suppan and Marquis have been just as good as a Matt Clement in the playoffs.... the only way I see anything working is if the Cardinals were interested in Wells, but the Red Sox would need to give up more than that to get Edmonds.

[KeepTheFaith1229]

Edmonds most certainly is a long shot. I don't think the sox have the kind of stuff to offer. Since he's a little on the older side and is talking retirement, its likely that any offer the Cards make to anyone for young kids won't get much attention other than a brief chuckle. They'll be looking for the sort of deal that the Yanks landed Johnson with, a pitcher like Vazquez around the age of 29 or 30 with some upside left and then a hitter. The closest we would have is Clement and Nixon, and then they'd probably need a lower level prospect like an Ellsbury or a Moss to kick the deal. I don't think Clement really wows the cardinals very much being a lock for the playoffs and all - we all know what kind of a performance Clement is capable of in the playoffs. Clement is best suited being offered to small market teams with less than rowdy fan bases. Thats where he has his value.

 

I think the Cardinals would rather make a push with what they have. They came damn close last year to the series... with no Rolen. I'd hold tight if I were them unless someone like the Jays came out of no where and offered Vernon Wells and Gusatvo Chacin. That would be different.

 

 

I agree with pretty much everything you said here except for the part where you said the Cards are a playoff lock.

 

The Cardinals are a great ballclub, no questioning that. I just don't know about this year. The team is aging a little bit. They'll probably have trouble staying healthy as they did last year. They have basically missed out on every target they had this offseason, and have lost several key components. (Grudzielanek, Sanders, Walker, Nunez, etc.)

 

Also, in their division they have a 2005 world series participant that beat them in the NLCS. Houston now knows that they can beat St. Louis. Also in their division are the Cubs, who have improved this offseason, and I don't expect Mark Prior to be hit with another liner. Yet another strong team in their division is Milwaukee, a team on the upswing. I know St. Louis has their big guns, Pujols, Rolen, Edmonds, Mulder...I just don't know about this year.

 

They will undoubtedly be competitive, but I wouldn't say they're a lock.

[Soxfan1]

I'd take Edmonds. However, we can't move Lester, Marte or more then 2 SP's. Edmonds can be a great addition to the lineup in both ways.

[jsinger121]

I would not trade for Edmonds and give up any young players. Edmonds is going to be 36 next, he is an agressive player who is now starting wear because of his playing style. he is not going to be good for too many more years. People are talking about giving up Ellsbury or Moss to sweeten the deal. To me that is an overpay for a player on the downside of his career. I would take Jeremy Reed over Jim Edmonds because he can be had for less and is younger and is not as injury prone as Jim Edmonds can be because of his playing style.

[CrespoBlows]

They have also posted on the site that the Cardinals are shopping Jim Edmonds around and the Sox are interested. If it's true, I'd be thrilled. Edmonds is 38, but a gold glover in CF and has a 35-100 stick. He would be a perfect 2 year solution until Ellsbury is ready. What do you guys think St. Louis would take in return?

 

I heard that the Cardinals were shopping Albert Pujols for Matt Clement.

[guapo34]

I heard that the Cardinals were shopping Albert Pujols for Matt Clement.

 

Trade Matt Clement??? and only get Pujols for him? Are you crazy!

[schillingouttheks]

He was kidding....

 

You know, sarcasm.

[guapo34]

Reread my post, i don't think I'm the one missing the sarcasm.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Jim Edmonds would certainly get people's attention. He would help out our pitching staff a great deal and be a better defensive player than Johnny Damon. Not to mention he is also a better hitter. Considering he is a lefty it seems only fit to have him bat 5th.

 

1. Mark Loretta ®

2. Kevin Youkilis ®

3. David Ortiz (L)

4. Manny Ramirez ®

5. Jim Edmonds (L)

6. Mike Lowell ®

7. Trot Nixon (L)

8. Jason Varitek (S)

9. Alex Cora (L)

 

Thats a sick lineup and I would expect Graffanino and Pedroia to get plenty of playing time in the #9 spot.

[CrespoBlows]

Jim Edmonds would certainly get people's attention. He would help out our pitching staff a great deal and be a better defensive player than Johnny Damon. Not to mention he is also a better hitter. Considering he is a lefty it seems only fit to have him bat 5th.

 

1. Mark Loretta ®

2. Kevin Youkilis ®

3. David Ortiz (L)

4. Manny Ramirez ®

5. Jim Edmonds (L)

6. Mike Lowell ®

7. Trot Nixon (L)

8. Jason Varitek (S)

9. Alex Cora (L)

 

Thats a sick lineup and I would expect Graffanino and Pedroia to get plenty of playing time in the #9 spot.

 

Just stop posting stuff about Edmonds, please. This trade will never happen. If it does, I will throw a lemon party.

[jimmycarter05]

Jim Edmonds would certainly get people's attention. He would help out our pitching staff a great deal and be a better defensive player than Johnny Damon. Not to mention he is also a better hitter. Considering he is a lefty it seems only fit to have him bat 5th.

 

1. Mark Loretta ®

2. Kevin Youkilis ®

3. David Ortiz (L)

4. Manny Ramirez ®

5. Jim Edmonds (L)

6. Mike Lowell ®

7. Trot Nixon (L)

8. Jason Varitek (S)

9. Alex Cora (L)

 

Thats a sick lineup and I would expect Graffanino and Pedroia to get plenty of playing time in the #9 spot.

 

 

Yeah, but I'm sure the Cards will want top prospects for him.

[KeepTheFaith1229]

Yeah, Crespo's right. This is never going to happen. And if it did, we would probably have to part with Lester or Pap. And wow, I don't want that to happen.

[CrespoBlows]

Yeah, Crespo's right. This is never going to happen. And if it did, we would probably have to part with Lester or Pap. And wow, I don't want that to happen.

 

Hopefully not.

 

I do not, under any circumstance, want to throw a lemon party.

[schillingouttheks]

Stay away from the f***ing lemon party at all costs. You dirty bastard! <_>

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Just stop posting stuff about Edmonds, please. This trade will never happen. If it does, I will throw a lemon party.

 

Ok no more posting....can't post ideas

[Beckett95]

from mlbtraderumors

Griffey To Boston For Arroyo?

Well, Boston Dirt Dogs has an interesting one up just now. Boston's WEEI 850 is reporting that a possible Ken Griffey Jr. for Bronson Arroyo trade could be in the works. I'll do my best to find more.

 

On the surface, that seems like a terrible deal for the Red Sox. Arroyo is about to be locked in for three years at a great price, and Griffey is probably a lock to play less games in '06 than he did in '05. Not to mention Griffey's huge contract and lousy defense.

[riverside sluggers]

Im more wary of the fact that Griffey has a tough time being healthy.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Didn't see that coming out all. Not sure how much truth there is to that but the Red Sox don't have a lot of depth so an injury to Griffey and we are screwed. He is heading toward the end of his career and the guy can certainly still hit. I dunno about this one. Outfield of Manny Ramirez, Ken Griffey, and Trot Nixon. Griffey would deffinitly hit 5th behind Manny which does sound pretty dangerous. Ken Griffey hitting at Fenway Park.....interesting.

 

Either Griffey or Nixon or both are guaranteed to be injured this season. Whoever the #4 outfielder is I hope he is good.

 

I would rather they take Matt Clement. Bronson Arroyo just gave us a nice contract cause he wants to be here....it would be a shame to turn around and send him on his way. Not to mention most players would look at that and remember it so not to take a discount to be on the Red Sox.

[Beckett95]

its an average SP for a hall of fame OF who put up good number last year. The problem is that he is old, very injury prone and has a huge contract. However IF he stays healthy, this would be a steal for the sox. Interesting to see what happens.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

its an average SP for a hall of fame OF who put up good number last year. The problem is that he is old, very injury prone and has a huge contract. However IF he stays healthy, this would be a steal for the sox. Interesting to see what happens.

 

Another reason I think Matt Clement makes more sense is the money. I think Clement's contract is closer to Griffey's than Arroyo's. Could be wrong but if a deal like this was discussed...the money needs to be close to the same for the fact injuries are an issue.

[elsrbueno]

Another reason I think Matt Clement makes more sense is the money. I think Clement's contract is closer to Griffey's than Arroyo's. Could be wrong but if a deal like this was discussed...the money needs to be close to the same for the fact injuries are an issue.

 

A package centered around Matt Clement and Ken Griffey JR is very intreaguing. The beauty of bringing Griffey to Boston is that he has that option of DHing or playing in left field at Fenway which would get a chance to rest his legs. I don't think he's the #1 solution and I'd be weary putting faith on Ken as my everyday guy in center.

 

I'm just throwing out ideas here, but what about Matt Clement and Trot Nixon for Ken Griffey JR and Felipe Lopez?

 

Lopez could cover shortstop and is young. in Griffey for Nixon the Sox and Reds trade injury prone stars, but the Reds pick up a decent pitcher who's already familiar with the NL Central.

 

Money wise I think it works out. Ken Griffey's due about $12 million for 3 more years and Lopez was paid

 

Nixon makes (I think) $7.5 mil and Clement's average is about $8 mil a year. The Reds come out with a little bit more money in the short term but Trot Nixon is only signed for 1 more year and the Red Sox would be stuck with Griffey for 3.

 

This would still leave a whole in the lineup because if the Red Sox still need a right fielder, but it would cover shortstop and center and the Sox would still have Wells as trade bait.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

A package centered around Matt Clement and Ken Griffey JR is very intreaguing. The beauty of bringing Griffey to Boston is that he has that option of DHing or playing in left field at Fenway which would get a chance to rest his legs. I don't think he's the #1 solution and I'd be weary putting faith on Ken as my everyday guy in center.

 

I'm just throwing out ideas here, but what about Matt Clement and Trot Nixon for Ken Griffey JR and Felipe Lopez?

 

Lopez could cover shortstop and is young. in Griffey for Nixon the Sox and Reds trade injury prone stars, but the Reds pick up a decent pitcher who's already familiar with the NL Central.

 

Money wise I think it works out. Ken Griffey's due about $12 million for 3 more years and Lopez was paid

 

Nixon makes (I think) $7.5 mil and Clement's average is about $8 mil a year. The Reds come out with a little bit more money in the short term but Trot Nixon is only signed for 1 more year and the Red Sox would be stuck with Griffey for 3.

 

This would still leave a whole in the lineup because if the Red Sox still need a right fielder, but it would cover shortstop and center and the Sox would still have Wells as trade bait.

 

Very interesting idea. I deffinitly like the idea of getting Felipe Lopez. I would move Ken Griffey to Trot Nixon's spot and still attempt to find a way for Jeremy Reed to get here. Move David Wells to Arizona like you said for a youngster or two and form a package to get Jeremy Reed. Giving an outfield of Jeremy Reed (to do all the work on defense) along with Ken Griffey and Manny Ramirez to smash the hell out of the ball.

 

The one thing is that Cincinnati wouldn't go for it. Reason: Ken Griffey has more value than Trot Nixon and Felipe Lopez has more value than Matt Clement. However, if we were to aquire Felipe Lopez we no longer have a use for Dustin Pedroia. That could be the player that gets the deal done. Trade Matt Clement (ace for Cincinnati), Trot Nixon, and Dustin Pedroia (possibly better suited for the NL) for Felipe Lopez and Ken Griffey.

[stocker323]

A package centered around Matt Clement and Ken Griffey JR is very intreaguing. The beauty of bringing Griffey to Boston is that he has that option of DHing or playing in left field at Fenway which would get a chance to rest his legs. I don't think he's the #1 solution and I'd be weary putting faith on Ken as my everyday guy in center.

 

I'm just throwing out ideas here, but what about Matt Clement and Trot Nixon for Ken Griffey JR and Felipe Lopez?

 

Lopez could cover shortstop and is young. in Griffey for Nixon the Sox and Reds trade injury prone stars, but the Reds pick up a decent pitcher who's already familiar with the NL Central.

 

Money wise I think it works out. Ken Griffey's due about $12 million for 3 more years and Lopez was paid

 

Nixon makes (I think) $7.5 mil and Clement's average is about $8 mil a year. The Reds come out with a little bit more money in the short term but Trot Nixon is only signed for 1 more year and the Red Sox would be stuck with Griffey for 3.

 

This would still leave a whole in the lineup because if the Red Sox still need a right fielder, but it would cover shortstop and center and the Sox would still have Wells as trade bait.

 

I like that idea a lot. I'm not really a big fan of Clement as I think the 2nd half of 2004 Clement was more of his true self. I don't think he can be a true postseason pitcher as proved by his awful start this year and in years past.

 

Nixon for Griffey would be excellent as both are injury prone but Griffey is better. Plus finding a RF is much easier to find than a CF. I don't know much about Lopez but he must have done something good to be the best player from Cincinnati and be selected to the ASG.

[riverside sluggers]

Very interesting idea. I deffinitly like the idea of getting Felipe Lopez. I would move Ken Griffey to Trot Nixon's spot and still attempt to find a way for Jeremy Reed to get here. Move David Wells to Arizona like you said for a youngster or two and form a package to get Jeremy Reed. Giving an outfield of Jeremy Reed (to do all the work on defense) along with Ken Griffey and Manny Ramirez to smash the hell out of the ball.

 

The one thing is that Cincinnati wouldn't go for it. Reason: Ken Griffey has more value than Trot Nixon and Felipe Lopez has more value than Matt Clement. However, if we were to aquire Felipe Lopez we no longer have a use for Dustin Pedroia. That could be the player that gets the deal done. Trade Matt Clement (ace for Cincinnati), Trot Nixon, and Dustin Pedroia (possibly better suited for the NL) for Felipe Lopez and Ken Griffey.

 

True if we got Lopez, Pedroia would be out of the shortstop option. Doesnt necesarily mean the Sox wont need him since he's still a viable option to be the opening day 2007 2nd baseman.

[jimmycarter05]

I like that trade, but I also like the idea of moving Griffey to RF to help him not be more injury prone and still getting Reed to play CF. Then if Griffey has a great year and a lot of trade value, or Manny wants to be traded again, we can move up Ellsbury to play LF or RF, keep Manny/Griffey, and have Reed playing CF. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Griffey has 2 more years left on his contract, and Manny has 3?

[ksushi]

Considering the size of Fenway's right field that might not do anything to help Griffey out. If anything put a deal together to bring reed here centered around nixon and switch griffey and manny putting manny back at his old home in Right Field to preserve Griffey. Manny has the arm for right.

 

However, the sox do not need another question mark, and is anyone else here completely certain Griffey will not see an inning of playing time in the playoffs due to season wear and tear even if he his to stay mostly healthy? I want to win in the playoffs, not just the regular season. IMO, Griffey is a bad move. At this stage, although I am optimistic about most things, there are far too many question marks about the red sox to take on yet another question mark in Griffey. Schill is a ?, as is Beckett, and Foulke, might as well throw in Loretta since he was hurt so much of last year and while you're at it Nixon is far from a sure thing as well. Adding one more guy likely to break down just because he hits well when he does play is a bad idea for a club that if anything is in need of someone with durability if nothing else. To me, bad idea. If they gave us Felipe Lopez? Totally different story. Not giving up a big time prospect in this deal, but Felipe Lopez is something that could change my mind about taking on Griffey. However, Griff might not like Boston and does have a No Trade.