Chipper Jones

[yankeessuck013]

Atlanta Journal Constitution over the weekend was saying the Braves and Sox were discussing a deal which would have sent Chipper Jones/John Thomson to Boston for Matt Clement and Bronson Arroyo. This deal is on the back burner until Manny's situation is stablized. Chipper would go to Left Field if the Sox can do a deal for Ramierez. The greatest interest is coming from the Angels. Chone Figgins, Dallas McPhereson and a prospect would be exchanged for Manny.

 

Chipper can play left as well and third and first.

 

the blue jays have set the bar...everyone knows whoever has the most corner infielders is going to take the AL east...

[RedSoxRooter]

Oh god no. I hate Chipper.

 

Why would the Brave do that anyway?

[26 to 6]

The Braves wouldnt do this ocnsidering Chipper re-negotiated his contract to help the Braves out and the fact that they traded Marte.

 

Why would the Sox trade Manny for McPherson and Figgins? The Sox have a future 3Bman in Marte, and where would Figgins play, CF?

[ksushi]

Chipper is going no where, the last thing we need is another third basemen. Also, I doubt the angels will land Manny either if they don't offer either Brandon Wood or Ervin Santana, the second to last thing we need is more third base prospects like McPherson.

[example1]

I would love to have Chipper Jones. He would be a very interesting addition to the AL East rivalr(ies). WHy would Atlanta do this though? Clement and Arroyo? Seriously?

 

Manny for McPherson and Chone Figgins? I've always liked Figgins, and getting McPherson would allow us to trade Marte for Crisp.

 

Chipper in LF?

Figgins in CF?

McPherson (or Marte) at 3B?

 

Just for "fun"??? Let's see:

 

Figgins CF

Loretta 2B

Ortiz DH

Chipper LF

Tek C

Trot RF

Marte/McPherson 3B

Youkilis 1B

Cora SS

 

Beckett

Schilling

Wakefield

Wells?

Papelbon?

 

Wells won't stay. Could lester just come up as a #5 starter? He has thrown 300 innings in the minors or so, is that enough? This scenario looks iffy when its all layed out like that.

 

Perhaps I should have asked this first, but is there a link for the Atlanta Journal-Constitution article? I don't believe it.

[jimmycarter05]

I would love to have Chipper Jones. He would be a very interesting addition to the AL East rivalr(ies). WHy would Atlanta do this though? Clement and Arroyo? Seriously?

 

Manny for McPherson and Chone Figgins? I've always liked Figgins, and getting McPherson would allow us to trade Marte for Crisp.

 

Chipper in LF?

Figgins in CF?

McPherson (or Marte) at 3B?

 

Just for "fun"??? Let's see:

 

Figgins CF

Loretta 2B

Ortiz DH

Chipper LF

Tek C

Trot RF

Marte/McPherson 3B

Youkilis 1B

Cora SS

 

Beckett

Schilling

Wakefield

Wells?

Papelbon?

 

Wells won't stay. Could lester just come up as a #5 starter? He has thrown 300 innings in the minors or so, is that enough? This scenario looks iffy when its all layed out like that.

 

Perhaps I should have asked this first, but is there a link for the Atlanta Journal-Constitution article? I don't believe it.

 

 

I'd trade McPherson and keep Marte.

[example1]

I'd trade McPherson and keep Marte.

 

I'm sure that's intelligent, but why? Just curious.

[elsrbueno]

Why all the hate for Chipper Jones? Despite being one of the most productive players in the game at a position that doesn't have many great run producers (Chipper Jones), he resigned with the Braves without testing the free agent market twice. He also did damage to his legacy (and his body) by switching to play left field because the team went out and signed Vinny Castilla a few years ago.

 

He came back to third base because he had a bum hamstring and the team thought he'd be less apt to hurt himself playing third.

 

Chipper Jones then (as someone already mentioned) restructured his contract so the team would have a better shot at resigning Furcal.

 

Seems to me that Chipper Jones is a dedicated team player who REALLY does what's best for the team, not himself. A player the Red Sox have very few of (Nixon and Varitek come to mind, but who else?) and you can NEVER have too many of.

 

John Thompson is not a great pitcher and is really a #5 at best, especially in the AL East. He'd probably get lit up in Boston....

 

Why would the Braves do it? Well, they have always put a high value on pitching, and Clement and Arroyo would help them round out that rotation. Losing Chipper is huge, but the Atlanta Braves have recovered well from losing superstars of late.

 

I personally would love to have Chipper Jones on the Braves. He could play first base even if the Sox DON'T trade Manny Ramirez, and you could pencil him in for at least 25 HR and 90 RBI but probably more once he gets familiar with Fenway Park.

 

Improving first base offense makes trading Manny more reasonable. It still makes it very hard, but keeping in mind that we got absolutely NOTHING from first base last year, improving that significantly by adding Chipper Jones goes a long way. Trading Manny Ramirez to Anaheim makes the most sense as long as the Red Sox can get a decent package back. I'll start with the rumored package above:

 

Chone Figgins, Dallas McPherson and prospects? That's a good start. I assume Chone Figgins is the center fielder until further notice, and if I make that trade AND the Chipper trade Dallas McPherson is now (in my mind) platooning with Kevin Youkilis at first with Chipper shifting to left. Hopefully with a smaller left field the hamstrings will be less of an issue. The prospects have got to be along the lines of Howie Kendrick or Kendry Morales if it's up to me, which basically gives you someone to possibly platoon with Nixon if they're ready soon, or even replace Nixon if he leaves after next season.

 

Wells is going to be traded, and a package of Woody Williams and either prospects or a reliever doesn't look THAT bad at this point. (unless you can get Edwin Jackson or another prospect from LA who is close to MLB ready)

 

Personally I'd trade Wells to the Dodgers for Edwin Jackson and Yhancy Brazoban and I think they'd do it, too.

 

2006 Red Sox if these trades go down?

Rotation:

Beckett, Schilling, Wakefield, Thompson, Papelbon/Jackson

 

Bullpen:

Foulke, Mota, Timlin, Seanez, DiNardo, Brazoban

 

Lineup:

CF Chone Figgins

2B Mark Loretta

DH David Ortiz

LF Chipper Jones

RF Trot Nixon

3B Mike Lowell

C Jason Varitek

1B Kevin Youkilis/Dallas McPherson

SS Alex Cora/Graffanino

 

It's not as good as last year's lineup, but it's absolutely better than what the Red Sox are sporting right now.

[riverside sluggers]

A player the Red Sox have very few of (Nixon and Varitek come to mind, but who else?) and you can NEVER have too many of.

 

The veteran of the Sox, Tim Wakefield comes to mind. His contract runs through with an option for 2007, giving him a possible 13 year career in Boston. Nowadays that is unheard of for a player to stay as long with, and loyal to one team.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I'm more interested in aquiring Andrew Jones than Chipper Jones. Obviously I wouldn't mind having either on the Red Sox but for some reason I picture Chipper a solid mark on the Atlanta Braves. He has always been there and done so much for that team I find it hard for them to part with him. On the other hand he has been getting injured so anything is possible. I honestly think there is a better chance they move Andrew first because of his contract situation.

 

Either way both players would cost more than Clement and Arroyo. I really don't hear many teams excited about Clement and all have a good idea what Arroyo will bring to a team. More key figures would need to be involved and everything seems to revolve around Manny so I'm sure his name would pop up when talking about either of the Jones boys.

[example1]

Could we land Chipper Jones AND Miguel Tejada in two deals? All the prospects that have been mentioned are exclusive to their respective deals, so if they are possible individually then both are possible.

 

If we got Chipper I might be tempted to send Marte to Cleveland for Crisp, if we got a decent prospect in return. I emphisize MIGHT and TEMPTED. Again, just for fun:

 

Crisp CF

Loretta 2B

Tejada SS

Ortiz DH

Chipper LF (?)

Lowell 3B (?)

Trot RF

Tek C

Youkilis 1B

 

That's two guys out of position (Youk and Chipper), but an upgrade at a few positions. We would address two holes, and ultimately lose Clement, Arroyo, Manny and Marte while gaining Tejada, Chipper Jones and Coco Crisp (Plus a middle tier starter from ATL probably)

 

Just a stupid thought, but it kept me up thinking last night so I figured I would share...

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Could we land Chipper Jones AND Miguel Tejada in two deals? All the prospects that have been mentioned are exclusive to their respective deals, so if they are possible individually then both are possible.

 

If we got Chipper I might be tempted to send Marte to Cleveland for Crisp, if we got a decent prospect in return. I emphisize MIGHT and TEMPTED. Again, just for fun:

 

Crisp CF

Loretta 2B

Tejada SS

Ortiz DH

Chipper LF (?)

Lowell 3B (?)

Trot RF

Tek C

Youkilis 1B

 

That's two guys out of position (Youk and Chipper), but an upgrade at a few positions. We would address two holes, and ultimately lose Clement, Arroyo, Manny and Marte while gaining Tejada, Chipper Jones and Coco Crisp (Plus a middle tier starter from ATL probably)

 

Just a stupid thought, but it kept me up thinking last night so I figured I would share...

 

haha that would be fun but I would be amazed to see it pulled off. I'm still on the opposite side of the fence when it comes to trading our prospects. I really don't want to give up Andy Marte, Jonathan Papelbon, Jon Lester, Craig Hansen, Manny Delcarmen, or Dustin Pedroia. These guys will be the foundation of our team in the future. I want to see players home grown and brought up through the system to become true Boston Red Sox players. I don't mind having a bunch of hard nosed typed players for the coming years (Graffanino, Lowell, Nixon, Varitek, Loretta, etc)....guys who will play hard, have lots of experience, and place the team first over individual credit. Maybe we won't be the best Red Sox team but its fun to see the young guys make a splash and eventually all come up together to form a strong bond and be a rock solid team.

[Soxfan1]

This would be a great trade. It would leave us with Paplebon, Schilling, Beckett, Wells and Wake. We need to unload Arroyo and Clement. However that means if we traded Wells, we'd need a pitcher in return. (woody williams?) but we would have not depth in the pitching staff.