Tejada wants trade (merged)

[MC Hammer]

To get Tejada, the O's wouldn't want to take on a lot of Salary and they certainly don't want high contract players either. So it would probably be like Lester, Youkilis/Marte, Arroyo, and maybe more. I have a feeling there is more to this than meets the eye, I wanna see how this plays out as the week goes on.

After thinking about it more, the only way this trade is going to go down is if a 3rd team gets involved. If theres a team willing to give up possibly 4 of it's top prospects for Manny theres a chance this could happen.

[ahhchon]

we allready gave up sanchez, now lester too? remember people, pitching wins championships..

 

granted if our lineup consisted of:

damon

loretta

manny

ortiz

miggy

my grandmother

my dead grandfather

my dead gradmother

my other dead grandfather

 

that would be a nasty lineup, probably scoring 4.5 runs a game lol.

 

i'de much rather keep manny (i really really see him staying) and develope our pitching. we've been run leaders 2 years in a row.. it's time we start preventing more runs.

 

john

[ACL BoSox]

You all seem to think we're lacking in pitching, but Schilling-Beckett-Papelbon (by the end of the season), seems like one of the best 1-2-3 punches in the league.

 

Anyway which we could grab Miggy would do wonders, I think we can pass on pursuing pitching for now and try and get miggy, then we can go back to pitching.

[ksushi]

To get Tejada, the O's wouldn't want to take on a lot of Salary and they certainly don't want high contract players either. So it would probably be like Lester, Youkilis/Marte, Arroyo, and maybe more. I have a feeling there is more to this than meets the eye, I wanna see how this plays out as the week goes on.

 

Hm, this sounds familiar. Hey I have this awesome idea, lets trade our future away for ONE GUY who is a great player, for two guys who are probably going to be great in marte and lester.

 

 

Look people need to settle down, just because he said he wants to get traded and wants to get traded to Boston does not mean all of a sudden youre future doesnt mean anything and you give it all up for him. This guy does not guarentee a world series win, he doesn't even fully replace manny offensivley. To maximize production he is not protecting ortiz, but ortiz would need to bat clean up to protect him which means that they will not produce offensivley the way manny and ortiz did so your lineup is down graded. You defense is upgraded, BUT I'd prefer to upgrade the defense via free agency and keep manny. Although I might do a Manny for Tejada deal given the right finances, Tejada was just involved in a slight steroid scandal although nothing too serious, I just want to use that to kill the collective hard on for this guy.

 

He isn't worth lester, he isnt worth papelbon nor marte nor pedroia, no. He is not worth the future. I know, Tejada Ortiz and Manny 3-4-5 sounds better than getting in what bill clinton wouldn't call sex from the hot weather lady on channel 5, but it actually isn't. Shes really hot, and this guy isn't worth the future.

 

Why does everyone always want to trade lester?

 

oh but wait, what is this? i think ive had an epiphany, why have i not seen this before? is it because it was buried by a triple post? who knows, but who ever posted this makes a lot of sense and is probably very handsome. I'm getting the sudden urge to want to... keep prospects? One guy can't win us a world series? Oh.... my. Salary.... more is bad.... long contracts.... bad. This is amazing.

 

 

PS - unrelated, did you really group youkilis and marte together?

[ahhchon]

You all seem to think we're lacking in pitching, but Schilling-Beckett-Papelbon (by the end of the season), seems like one of the best 1-2-3 punches in the league.

 

Anyway which we could grab Miggy would do wonders, I think we can pass on pursuing pitching for now and try and get miggy, then we can go back to pitching.

 

that's IF schilling can be schilling of 04 (which i doubt), IF beckett can pitch enough games, and IF papelbon is ready for a FULL season.

 

our 1-2-3 is nasty (in our biased minds) but reality states that there could be some serious issues.

 

the complete oppsite is schilling pitching 20 games, beckett pitching 20 games (both par) and papelbon having his sophmore slump. that would be a disaster, who's going to carry the pitching staff? clement, wells and wakefield?

 

john

[ksushi]

Pitching is hard to come by champ. The red sox fully believe they have themselves an ace in lester. I highly doubt the red sox will be thinking "Hey we have hitting, we need pitching and we will for the forseeable future too but lets put that aside because Tejada said he likes us, I bet lester will write us from baltimore, it will be like he never left"

[ACL BoSox]

I'm not saying that we should give up both Lester AND Marte...

 

I'm just saying, the Red Sox have more bargaining power than you think. Think about it, we wanted to trade Manny, however the big problem was that the teams that wanted him really couldn't take on his salary (aside from the Mets).

 

I really think that if Tejada REALLY wants out, he'll get traded... and the Red Sox BADLY need a shortstop. Like I said before, baseball is a business, and it is NOT looking good in Baltimore. Anyone who says that the Orioles wouldn't trade Miggy to the Red Sox simply because they're in the same division doesn't know baseball.

[ACL BoSox]

even if they all finished with 4.50 ERA's, we'd have a team scoring 6-7 runs per game.

[Manny Goes Boom]

even if they all finished with 4.50 ERA's, we'd have a team scoring 6-7 runs per game.

 

But who wants a staff that has ERA's that high anyway? Plus that makes us the Rangers of last year...and where'd that get them, besides vacation in October?

[riverside sluggers]

Ahhchon: clement, wells and wakefield?

 

David Wells is 95% certain to be traded. Its now looking more likely it would to be to San Diego, for one of their top setup man. A reliever at the top of his game for a 43 year old pitcher whose starting to having knee problems? Yes please.

[Cityofchampions33]

I don't think most of the GM-by-commitee guys would go for trading Lester (who has been said to have been better than Papelbon) and Pedroia (our future 2B/ss for the hole at SS or when Loretta gets too old). Keep in mind if we make these trades our team will be on the wrong side of 30 and will only last for maybe 4 years at most. I'm all for tradin Marte to the O's only because as of now we have Youkilis to back it up. I am not willing to trade Pedroia and Lester however, only because Schilling is getting old, and weonly have one middleinflieder who is 30+.

[ahhchon]

David Wells is 95% certain to be traded. Its now looking more likely it would to be to San Diego, for one of their top setup man. A reliever at the top of his game for a 43 year old pitcher whose starting to having knee problems? Yes please.

 

yeah, i know. i paused when i got to wells, but as long as he's still part of the sox i couldn't really exclude him just yet.

 

I don't think most of the GM-by-commitee guys would go for trading Lester (who has been said to have been better than Papelbon) and Pedroia (our future 2B/ss for the hole at SS or when Loretta gets too old). Keep in mind if we make these trades our team will be on the wrong side of 30 and will only last for maybe 4 years at most. I'm all for tradin Marte to the O's only because as of now we have Youkilis to back it up. I am not willing to trade Pedroia and Lester however, only because Schilling is getting old, and weonly have one middleinflieder who is 30+.

 

you're not willing to trade lester and dustin but you're willing to trade marte? the same marte who was ranked #1 by baseball prospectus, ranked #4 by baseball america? at his age he is far more advanced than dustin and has a much higher ceiling. right now he's the guy in our system that has the best chance of becoming a regular in the majors, you don't trade that away for an aging ss with a huge contract (like the braves did).

 

john

[ksushi]

You can't give up ANY of the untouchables for Tejada, end of story in my opinion.

[riverside sluggers]

A suitable trade would be straight up Manny for Tejada. No prospects involved.

 

Im sure Sox execs will be working on this one. Lets not forget Manny can easily veto this trade.

[ksushi]

I doubt the sox execs will waste much time on this outside of a phone call. This will require prospects and in my opinion, I'd rather keep them.

[BoSox84]

Can there be some kind of three between us the Mets and the O's. Im not sure exactly how it would work, but the mets send send Benson to the O's who send Tejada to us and the Mets get manny, im sure there'd be some more guys in the mix but something like that

[ksushi]

Now thats alittle interesting, The Mets would have to send more than Benson. Hm, thats actually the first quality Migeul Tejada trade I've heard so far. What if the Mets sent Benson Milledge and Heilman to the O's, the sox would send them Manny, the O's would send them Jorge Julio, and the Sox would recieve Tejada.

 

My big issue with this is that although Tejada is a beast, he would have to bat infront of Ortiz to maximize production out of the two, but I guess if we're talking a Damon Loretta Tejada Ortiz line up, who cares.

[riverside sluggers]

Tejada in 43 games played at Fenway Park holds a .324 batting avg

 

1. Johnny Damon cf

2. Mark Loretta 2b

3. David Ortiz dh

4. Miguel Tejada ss

5. Mike Lowell 3b

6. Jason Varitek c

7. Trot Nixon rf

8. Andy Marte lf (Edes suggesting he could take left field if Manny left)

9. Kevin Youkilis 1b

[ACL BoSox]

Too be honest, if we get Miggy, I'd do everything in our power to hold on to Manny... that would be one scary lineup.

 

Plus Miggy is not as expensive as you all make him out to be, he cost less than a #2-#3 starter these days, and less then Rent costs us.

[MANNYHOF24]

Can you imagine

Damon

Lorreta

Ortiz

Manny

Tejeda

Tek

Nixon

Lowell

Youk

That would Never happen though

[riverside sluggers]

Too be honest, if we get Miggy, I'd do everything in our power to hold on to Manny... that would be one scary lineup.

 

Plus Miggy is not as expensive as you all make him out to be, he cost less than a #2-#3 starter these days, and less then Rent costs us.

 

yes it would be great to have manny, ortiz and tejada together... but everything comes with a cost. Especially Sox having to then contend with taking on Tejada's $48 million with Manny's already $57 remaining.

 

(1) we'd have to bargain a bulk of the best of our farm away for tejada.

 

(2) The Orioles would most likely have Boston take on Tejada's contract which would put them near the cap maximum. Less cap space, could really seal the deal of Damon walking.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I want Tejada when he was a free agent...I screamed it from the roof tops for the Red Sox to get him. Tejada is another clutch hitter and I'd love to add him next to Ortiz. Can it happen?? Probably not unless we traded Manny straight up for Tejada which I would be fine with. Come to think of it if Manny would have gone to the Mets why not Baltimore?? Its only an extra 4 hours south. Two guys unhappy about the current state of things...

 

Tejada can go to a team with a chance to win..

 

Manny can go to Baltimore and hide..

 

...if that doesn't work the Red Sox can trade Manny to a team for prospects and send them over to Baltimore for Tejada. Either way now that I'm reading....doesn't it seems like a great coincidence that we need a SS...and suddenly Tejada wants to be traded....hmmmmm

[riverside sluggers]

According to the Baltimore Sun, Melvin Mora is speaking out that he whole-heartedly agrees with Tejada's frustration. A shot at his current pitching staff, "Who's going to pitch for us?"

[ksushi]

Too be honest, if we get Miggy, I'd do everything in our power to hold on to Manny... that would be one scary lineup.

 

Plus Miggy is not as expensive as you all make him out to be, he cost less than a #2-#3 starter these days, and less then Rent costs us.

Thank god you don't run the sox. The price of pitching these days is very high, because it is rare, so that is all the more reason why paying out big bucks for hitters really isn't the road to be taking. Pitching is expensive because its no where to be found. You can't trade lester because pitching is so crucial, you can't trade marte because marte can bring you back more than Tejada. Marte could realistically fetch you a Oswalt or a Ben Sheets type guy. Tejada is not worth giving up your franchise for. He doesn't put this team over the hump in anyway. Learn from the Yankees, all that hitting can't get you anywhere if you can't stop the other guy from scoring which is why all these #2 and 3 starters are getting miguel tejada money.

 

What we need is some more bullpen help and a solid defensive shortstop who won't cost you an arm and a leg. Don't get distracted by shiny objects, they usually cost too much and you look stupid drooling over them.

 

There is no way you keep manny and get tejada, so it is a choice between the two. I personally think the untouchables are exactly that untouchable no matter who you are talking about barring a puljols or felix hernandez.

 

I like the idea of a three way deal with the mets and O's that could work out, but then there is the thing where the O's probably won't trade him within the division unless they land themselves a manny ramirez. Big 3 team deals fall apart easily and I really think the sox only have an outside shot at this.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

There are a couple things to keep in mind about Baltimore:

 

For the past couple seasons they have attempted to make a run at the division. Spending big money on Palmeiro, Tejada, Lopez, etc. and it has not worked out for them. Now they are facing a division where they may be the weakest team. Boston, NY, Tampa Bay, and Toronto have a better looking chance in the division than Baltimore.

 

At this point the Orioles have some young talent at pitching but are not ready to jump to the level of the other teams. Quite simply I don't think they can compete, especially with what little progress they made this offseason. They lost out on Burnett and couldn't resign there best player in the bullpen.

 

Now its no coincidence Tejada made his feelings known right after Renteria was traded. He even mentioned Boston as his top destination so it comes down to Baltimore and the Red Sox figuring something out. This is the same as David Wells wanting to go to San Diego or Manny wanting to go to the west coast. The Baltimore Orioles will look into it cause they don't want someone who doesn't want to be there. This is not that far fetched.

 

Since the Orioles have not made any moves and have a frustrated locker room this will effect the fan support. If the Orioles and Red Sox trade star for star....then Baltimore will be a hit and the fans will be excited to go watch one of the best hitters the game has to offer. Obviously it works the same way for Boston fans. The money is close to the same, the player caliber is close to the same, the players both requested it.

 

........make it happen

[YanksHater213]

I still cant believe some of you think were going to get Tejada. Seriously, I want him, but do you think its practical for Baltimore to do? Hell no. The chances that we have of getting Tejada are the same chances that the Houston Texans have at making the playoffs this season.

[ksushi]

There is an outside shot, but this is very unrealistic.

[YanksHater213]

I hope by outside shot you mean not possible. Come back to earth people.

[ksushi]

outside as in if they worked a 3 team that didnt fall apart. very unlikely, relax champ. cabin fever getting to you with all this snow?

[BoSox84]

If we didnt get to talk about possible trades and things like that this place would get kinda quiet.