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[Emmz]

I think "Lebron just can't win" is an ignorant statement as well though tbh. MJ was almost 30 before his first title. I think Lebron wins, but not this year.

[Palodios]

Yeah' date=' he's just kind of ignorant. He thinks anything that can't be quantified doesn't exist, which is poor logic to say the least.[/quote']

 

The problem is that clutch CAN be quantified. Stats like RISP, and FG% in high stakes situation can easily be accessed. But it really isn't worth the argument.

[Palodios]

I think "Lebron just can't win" is an ignorant statement as well though tbh. MJ was almost 30 before his first title. I think Lebron wins' date=' but not this year.[/quote']

 

I think the NBA will make sure that it does happen. I was absolutely mindboggled by the statistic that they kept talking about... Lebron James hasn't been fouled out in 4+ years. That's ridiculous for a guy who plays the game that he goes.

 

Unless the NBA comes to the realization that more people will watch the NBA, and enjoy it with the Heat as a loser, they'll force a ring on his hand one way or another.

[User Name]

Wut?

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

The problem is that clutch CAN be quantified. Stats like RISP' date=' and FG% in high stakes situation can easily be accessed. But it really isn't worth the argument.[/quote']

A hit with RISP is just a hit. A field goal is a field goal no matter when it occurs. No clutch factor is attached.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Yeah' date=' he's just kind of ignorant. He thinks anything that can't be quantified doesn't exist, which is poor logic to say the least.[/quote']

What do you want from Santa this year?

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

They're still laughing.......

 

Just for the simple fact, you can not and will not get equal value for wade..... And then where does it end?? If they don't win then, trade bosh?? Your so ignorant and readily blame everything on everyone but lebron? Ever think maybe lebron just can't win??

 

Why trade Bosh? He complements LeBron well. I've already laid out my reasons for dealing Wade: 30 years old, aging fast, overlapping skillset with LeBron. If he really did blow off that play last night, that doesn't help his case. That's something Marbury would do. If one of the big 3 should go, it's Wade. Preferably for a shooter and rebounder.

 

LeBron just can't win? Have you f***ing LOOKED at his numbers in the series? 32, 9, and 4, blocking almost 2 shots a game. Why the hell does he deserve ANY blame for what's going on? God you are such a waste.

[ellsburyforMVP]

Why trade Bosh? He complements LeBron well. I've already laid out my reasons for dealing Wade: 30 years old, aging fast, overlapping skillset with LeBron. If he really did blow off that play last night, that doesn't help his case. That's something Marbury would do. If one of the big 3 should go, it's Wade. Preferably for a shooter and rebounder.

 

LeBron just can't win? Have you f***ing LOOKED at his numbers in the series? 32, 9, and 4, blocking almost 2 shots a game. Why the hell does he deserve ANY blame for what's going on? God you are such a waste.

 

I can name a couple guys who averaged close to those numbers ( but fewer rebounds ) and between them they have 11 titles.... Yes, both had 1 other superstar, but their supporting cast was on par with miami's ( who have 2 other superstars, but since bosh has been out it's an even better comparison ) .... Ever heard of Michael Jordan or Kobe bryant?

 

Yeah Kobe had a dominant shaq for 3 yrs..other 2 titles was on par with the heat

 

Mike had Scottie, but pippen was a 20-7-6 guy... ( pretty similar to wades stats? ) and mik never had a center that anyone was worried about.... And no one of bosh's caliber.... Mike is the greatest, I'm not a Kobe fan, but those guys are winners..lebron doesn't even wanna take the shot to win the gm and most likely seal the series, guess who relished those opportunities? Mike and Kobe

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

I can name a couple guys who averaged close to those numbers ( but fewer rebounds ) and between them they have 11 titles.... Yes' date=' both had 1 other superstar, but their supporting cast was on par with miami's ( who have 2 other superstars, but since bosh has been out it's an even better comparison ) .... Ever heard of Michael Jordan or Kobe bryant?[/quote']

 

LeBron's 0 for 1 with an actual team around him.

 

Yeah Kobe had a dominant shaq for 3 yrs..other 2 titles was on par with the heat

 

This has nothing to do with anything but to hell with that Shaq excuse. They don't win those titles without Kobe. Kobe deserves immense credit for all five of them.

 

Mike is the greatest, I'm not a Kobe fan, but those guys are winners..lebron doesn't even wanna take the shot to win the gm and most likely seal the series, guess who relished those opportunities? Mike and Kobe

 

All great players are 'winners', you dolt. LeBron couldn't take the shot last night, he was triple teamed.

[Emmz]

What do you want from Santa this year?

 

If he could effect free-will (DOES THAT NOT EXIST?! ) I'd love it if people were less quick to talk out of their ass with claims they can't support. But hey, then I wouldn't get to bust your raisins.

 

Oh I DO hope I'm not patronizing too much!

[Emmz]

A hit with RISP is just a hit. A field goal is a field goal no matter when it occurs. No clutch factor is attached.

 

Some people are better in situations of pressure than others, this is the point you're completely missing.

[User Name]

Your entire post is a load of bull. No offense meant.

 

First off, Jordan had probably one of the best supporting casts in history. The Lakers also had a fantastic cast and the best coach to ever set foot in a basketball court. The Heat were an incomplete team last year (Weak at 1, soft big guys) and were an incomplete team this year (Weak at 1, even with Chalmers' improvement, soft big guys). Stop that.

 

As for Lebron not wanting the last shot, didn't he always handle the ball when he was with Cle? Spoelstra favors creating open shots to different players in different situations, and the guy's unselfish enough to pass the ball, yet that's a bad thing? That's one of the stupidest arguments you can make.

 

As for the rest of your point, Lebron may not be as good as Jordan like some of his ballwashers say, but he's the best player in the NBA right now. Stop drinking the haterade and enjoy watching basketball.

 

@EllsburyforMvp

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

I'd love it if people were less quick to talk out of their ass with claims they can't support.

 

Yeah, that'd be swell. Then I wouldn't have to read all the verbal diarrhea you spew onto the site.

 

Oh I DO hope I'm not patronizing too much!

 

No, you're adorable. Go back and play with the other children, grown-ups are talking.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Some people are better in situations of pressure than others' date=' this is the point you're completely missing.[/quote']

Prove it.

[ellsburyforMVP]

I think "Lebron just can't win" is an ignorant statement as well though tbh. MJ was almost 30 before his first title. I think Lebron wins' date=' but not this year.[/quote']

 

I think it's pretty fair to say that the competition in jordans early yrs was far superior to now a days...

 

Sixers, celtics , pistons, hawks , lakers , bucks, blazers , jazz etc..

 

And add in the fact that pippen didn't join Jordan until his 3rd or 4th yr? And prior to that mike had a cast of nobody's his first 3 yrs ( where Charles Oakley was the 2nd best player on the team ) so saying mike didn't win until he was 30 isn't fair, he played in the best "talent-wise" era in the history of the league and had nobody ( but still had a 40-42 record the yr before drafting pippen ) Google the 86-87 bulls

[ellsburyforMVP]

Your entire post is a load of bull. No offense meant.

 

First off, Jordan had probably one of the best supporting casts in history. The Lakers also had a fantastic cast and the best coach to ever set foot in a basketball court. The Heat were an incomplete team last year (Weak at 1, soft big guys) and were an incomplete team this year (Weak at 1, even with Chalmers' improvement, soft big guys). Stop that.

 

As for Lebron not wanting the last shot, didn't he always handle the ball when he was with Cle? Spoelstra favors creating open shots to different players in different situations, and the guy's unselfish enough to pass the ball, yet that's a bad thing? That's one of the stupidest arguments you can make.

 

As for the rest of your point, Lebron may not be as good as Jordan like some of his ballwashers say, but he's the best player in the NBA right now. Stop drinking the haterade and enjoy watching basketball.

 

@EllsburyforMvp

 

He dribbled to the strong side of the defense?? Can the best player in the NBA not go to his left?

 

Mike won 6 titles without a center? Look back 25 yrs and tell me how many teams have won a championship without an all-star center... Jordans pg ( Armstrong was a career 9pt 3 assist/gm guy? His teams had weaknesses too

[User Name]

He dribbled to the strong side of the defense?? Can the best player in the NBA not go to his left?

 

Mike won 6 titles without a center? Look back 25 yrs and tell me how many teams have won a championship without an all-star center... Jordans pg ( Armstrong was a career 9pt 3 assist/gm guy? His teams had weaknesses too

 

Weaksauce response. You're not dispelling any of my points.

[Palodios]

As for the rest of your point, Lebron may not be as good as Jordan like some of his ballwashers say, but he's the best player in the NBA right now. Stop drinking the haterade and enjoy watching basketball.

 

I'd take Durant over Lebron any day of the week.

[User Name]

I'd take Durant over Lebron any day of the week.

 

So? Doesn't mean he's better.

[ellsburyforMVP]

Weaksauce response. You're not dispelling any of my points.

 

Ok your right , chalmers is definitely weak,but he's playing way above his head this series? So you can't use chalmers as an excuse ( for this series ) soft big guys? Sure bosh is soft, but haslem is anything but? And also had an amazing gm yesterday...

 

I'm not denying the fact that lebron is great... Yeah he's the best in the NBA, I don't think he's been the best in the playoffs so far... Durant was Jordan-esque the other night ( that's what you would-should expect from lebron ) and even though rondo's avg's aren't as big as either of lebron's or durant's, he's stepped his gm up more than anyone else in the playoffs

 

Point is, lebron is doing his thing... He's averaging what he does for his career... But you expect the MVP to step it up in the playoffs

[User Name]

Ok your right ' date=' chalmers is definitely weak,but he's playing way above his head this series? So you can't use chalmers as an excuse ( for this series ) soft big guys? Sure bosh is soft, but haslem is anything but? And also had an amazing gm yesterday... [/quote']

 

Even playing above his head Chalmers is not an above-average ball handler. Why do you mention Bosh, he's not even playing?

 

I'm not using any "excuses". For all intents and purposes the Heat's championship hopes are very much alive.

 

I'm not denying the fact that lebron is great... Yeah he's the best in the NBA, I don't think he's been the best in the playoffs so far... Durant was Jordan-esque the other night ( that's what you would-should expect from lebron ) and even though rondo's avg's aren't as big as either of lebron's or durant's, he's stepped his gm up more than anyone else in the playoffs

 

First off, what? Lebron's been a monster on all sides of the ball all playoffs long and the only consistent scorer on the team. Also, the playoffs are pretty small to be used as measure of overall performance.

 

Lebron's the best right now. Not as good as Jordan. But he's currently the best.

[User Name]

Point is' date=' lebron is doing his thing... He's averaging what he does for his career... But you expect the MVP to step it up in the playoffs[/quote']

 

Check the stats. He's averaging more points, rebounds and steals than his career averages. Take into consideration that averaging just one more point during the playoffs this year is huge compared to his career averages since he's not the only scoring option on the Heat.

 

And it's still a small sample.

[Palodios]

So? Doesn't mean he's better.

 

He's the three-time reigning NBA scoring leader....

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

More to the game than scoring, champ.

[User Name]

He's the three-time reigning NBA scoring leader....

 

Lebron is a three-time MVP widely considered the best complete player in the NBA.

 

Durant's the scoring leader, yet Lebron's the MVP. And deservedly so. That's why.

[ellsburyforMVP]

More to the game than scoring' date=' champ.[/quote']

 

Yeah, like going 7-8 in the 4th quarter when your team is struggling( durant)... Lebron on the other hand is bricking ft's left and right and has had the ball twice at the end of the gm this series and has yet to do what he does best..attack the basket??

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Yeah' date=' like going 7-8 in the 4th quarter when your team is struggling( durant)... Lebron on the other hand is bricking ft's left and right and has had the ball twice at the end of the gm this series and has yet to do what he does best..attack the basket??[/quote']

Was that a deliberate non-sequitur?

[User Name]

Yeah' date=' like going 7-8 in the 4th quarter when your team is struggling( durant)... Lebron on the other hand is bricking ft's left and right and has had the ball twice at the end of the gm this series and has yet to do what he does best..attack the basket??[/quote']

 

Using one game is a dumb argument. Just so you know.

[Palodios]

More to the game than scoring' date=' champ.[/quote']

 

Funny, people weren't saying that when Lebron was the scoring champion.

 

 

Lebron is a three-time MVP widely considered the best complete player in the NBA.

 

Durant's the scoring leader, yet Lebron's the MVP. And deservedly so. That's why.

 

Lebron might be the best. But he is not indisputably the best. Surely you can see that.

[User Name]

Lebron might be the best. But he is not indisputably the best. Surely you can see that.

 

Because he doesn't have the will or desire to take that last shot. Everyone has their weakness. (Except Jordan).