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[suns]

Williams will go to Utah' date=' IMO.[/quote']

 

Williams is a SF and I'm not sure Minny has one.

[WhiskeyBreath]

NBA just trolling Dan Gilbert by giving them them two top four picks in the worst draft ever.

[Flynnatic10]

Williams is a SF and I'm not sure Minny has one.

 

Derrick Williams is a player like Wes Johnson. They got B-Easy. Jazz have a hole at SF because AK47 is a FA.

[suns]

The mayans were right.

 

Hillis on the cover

Guardians are good

Cavs 1 and 4

 

Yeah the world is ending

[italstallianion]

NBA just trolling Dan Gilbert by giving them them two top four picks in the worst draft ever.

 

 

Could you imagine if Cleveland had the #1 and #4 pick in a real NBA draft. They might actually be good again.

[Palodios]

Woah, that's amazing! Cleveland will be good again.... nahh.

[Flynnatic10]

Cavs need to tank again to get another #1 pick and then they can try for an 8 seed.

[suns]

Just realized the heat have 3 first round picks.

[italstallianion]

Not only did the Cleveland Cavaliers get the first overall pick, but it looks like it was the Clippers pick (at 2.8%) that was the number 1 pick.

[suns]

Cavs have the 1st pick

4th pick

and the heat pick

[boston22407]

Cavs have the 1st pick

4th pick

and the heat pick

 

world champs bet

[suns]

Minnesota is interested in trading their number 2 pick!

CAVS GO GET IT! Irving and williams!!

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Wow, aces for Cleveland. I'd go Derrick Williams at #1 (although they've apparently decided on Irving but who knows how credible that is) and move #4 for someone proven, if at all possible.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Williams is a SF and I'm not sure Minny has one.

Williams is a Beasley type player in terms of position. Between him and Love (who is definitely not a center) I think Minnesota's all good there.

[suns]

Actually the cavs aren't committed on irving yet. Dan Gilbert said it would be up to the GM.

 

The cavs contacted Williams tonight.

 

Grant also said they are trying to get more picks.

[Divinity]

Lebron clutch yet again, series tied. 1-1

[italstallianion]

God damn it Heat.

[Keeper]

Very winnable game for the Bulls. Rose played like s***. No one could knock down a three. Let this one get away.

[yankees228]

And people say LBJ can't close ... lol.

[Emmz]

Oh we're not going to start the Lebron's clutch crap again are we? He was clutch in bigger situations than this, you should all give it a rest.

[boston22407]

im clutch..............

[italstallianion]

As long as it's not Miami vs. Dallas. That would guarantee that one of those teams would win it all.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

How many times do you people need to be told that clutch is a crock of s***.

[Divinity]

When you think about it, a clutch player is one who thrives in big moments, when the lights are bright and when his team needs him the most. Thats Lebron James. From 25 points in his first pro game, to a triple double in his first playoff game, to 25 straight points to carry the Cavs past the Pistons, Lebron has not needed to hit one big shot at the buzzer after another. He's a clutch performer down the stretch.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

LeBron is not clutch. No one is clutch. Clutch doesn't exist. What people assume to be 'clutch' is just great players performing the exact same in the last minutes of a game as they did the entire game prior. That's it.

[Emmz]

LeBron is not clutch. No one is clutch. Clutch doesn't exist. What people assume to be 'clutch' is just great players performing the exact same in the last minutes of a game as they did the entire game prior. That's it.

 

So there's no clutch, but there's clutch? What? You just described what people consider clutch after you said there is no clutch. Some people choke consistently under pressure, some people keep performing as usual, or even better in the toughest situations. Some people have the kind of clutch where they take over when the game's on the line. Sometimes those same people who've been clutch choke in a much bigger situation. Sometimes you have players who perform well in a lot of situations, then come the big game they're choking almost every time. Look at all sports, not just basketball how certain players perform in certain situations.

 

I can't pretend to know how it is in a real game when you're out there playing, but almost everyone knows what it's like to have tons of pressure on you, and how difficult it can be to say/do things the way you normally do. That's how you hear so many people say "that was clutch!", because we all know what pressure can do to you, and it's impressive when someone hits a 3 to tie the game up with 3 seconds left in the 4th quarter. It's maddening when someone misses a 20 yard field goal to turn the ball over with a minute to go in the 4th quarter.

 

I swear, some angry kid who was sick of people calling Kobe a clutch player came up with this "no clutch" thing, and suddenly people decided to go with it to sound all punk rock or something. Athletes are human, they're not above pressure.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

So there's no clutch' date=' but there's clutch? What? You just described what people consider clutch after you said there is no clutch.[/quote']

 

The f*** are you talking about.

 

Some people choke consistently under pressure, some people keep performing as usual, or even better in the toughest situations. Some people have the kind of clutch where they take over when the game's on the line. Sometimes those same people who've been clutch choke in a much bigger situation. Sometimes you have players who perform well in a lot of situations, then come the big game they're choking almost every time. Look at all sports, not just basketball how certain players perform in certain situations.

 

What is this ********. No, just no. Any stat people pull to try and prove someone's clutch is always way too small a sample size to prove anything. Great players perform well at the end of games because they're great players and the game they're playing doesn't change in the last few minutes. It's not some mythical 'clutch gene' or anything.

 

I can't pretend to know how it is in a real game when you're out there playing, but almost everyone knows what it's like to have tons of pressure on you, and how difficult it can be to say/do things the way you normally do. That's how you hear so many people say "that was clutch!", because we all know what pressure can do to you, and it's impressive when someone hits a 3 to tie the game up with 3 seconds left in the 4th quarter. It's maddening when someone misses a 20 yard field goal to turn the ball over with a minute to go in the 4th quarter.

 

It's natural to be nervous at big spots in the game but it doesn't affect performance quite as much as people think.

 

I swear, some angry kid who was sick of people calling Kobe a clutch player came up with this "no clutch" thing, and suddenly people decided to go with it to sound all punk rock or something. Athletes are human, they're not above pressure.

 

Oh my god this is great. I'm trying to sound punk rock by saying clutch doesn't exist. That Kobe kid isn't even where I got this s***. Seriously.

 

'Clutch' can't be proven or quantified, therefore it doesn't exist. False until proven true.

[Palodios]

It's natural to be nervous at big spots in the game but it doesn't affect performance quite as much as people think.

 

You sound like someone who has never done anything emotionally demanding in your life. Have you ever played a big spot in a sports game? Had a huge presentation at work/school? Scored with a dime? Some people thrive under pressure, some don't. This is a fact of life.

[Emmz]

1. So you're pretending to know what it's like to play in the NBA? NBA Finals?

 

2. You've not countered anything I said with substance, you actually spent the entire post going over things I didn't say, like whether or not clutch was quantifiable.

 

3. I never said that there was a good stat for clutch, I never said it was quantifiable.

 

4. Clutch isn't something that needs to be proven, it doesn't need to be quantified, it's just a description. I don't think players themselves are clutch actually, I think that there are certain times when players are clutch, some players are clutch more times than others, but I never said it was an attribute. It's definitely there, though. Some players come though in the clutch more times than others.

 

Congrats though, you just covered about 3 or 4 logical fallacies in just a few short sentences.

[Emmz]

You sound like someone who has never done anything emotionally demanding in your life. Have you ever played a big spot in a sports game? Had a huge presentation at work/school? Scored with a dime? Some people thrive under pressure' date=' some don't[/b']. This is a fact of life.

 

This.