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After LeBron's performance last night' date=' I'm shocked the usual crew isn't in here having a circlejerk.[/quote']

 

 

lol nah, I'm just pissed that Miami blew it. It was so close to being a 3-1 series, now I have to hold my breath again because it's 2-2. F***.

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After LeBron's performance last night' date=' I'm shocked the usual crew isn't in here having a circlejerk.[/quote']

 

I'm a fan of Lebron but I find its funny how you say that the only way Miami loses this final is if they beat themselves and giving Dallas no credit whatsoever

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After LeBron's performance last night' date=' I'm shocked the usual crew isn't in here having a circlejerk.[/quote']

 

Rest assured, if Miami loses the series I will bask in LeBron's "greatness."

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MJ is seriously head and shoulders above every other player, I don't know wtf Pippen was smoking when he said that stuff, but he made it sound like Lebron was superior. I don't think Lebron has any aspect over Jordan. Jordan was the superior scorer, like Pippen said, but Lebron is the most overrated defender in the NBA just because of how often ESPN shows his fastbreak picks and blocks. He's good, but there have been better defensive forwards that I've seen play, Pippen himself is probably the best defensive forward of the past 20 years. Jordan is arguably the best defensive guard of all time, and is certainly the greatest offensive player of all time. I really can't see how Lebron is even comparable to Jordan. At this point in their careers, there's absolutely no contest, it's Jordan all the way, and Jordan never really declined until he returned with the Wizards for those two years, and he was still a huge threat.
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It is a spit in the face to Jordan. I think James is going to end up one of the best players I'll live to see, but he's not on MJ's level. I'll say this again, for 10 straight years that MJ played a full season in the NBA, he won the scoring title. That's from his 3rd year to his last year with the Bulls where he played a full season. That means the two years he was gone, and the one year where he came back later in the season where he wasn't even qualified, and probably rusty, he didn't win it. Oh yeah, he also had the most points in his rookie season, and was not qualified in the 85-86 season. So really he won the scoring title from his rookie season until 1998 that he played start to finish. Incredible, isn't it?

 

That's absolutely unheard of since Wilt Chamberlain. I promise you, we will never see a player more overpowering and dominant than Michael Jordan was from 1985-1998 in our lifetimes. Promise. I know it sounds like a huge stretch, but sometimes I feel like people don't understand how much better than everyone else MJ really is.

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MJ is seriously head and shoulders above every other player' date=' I don't know wtf Pippen was smoking when he said that stuff, but he made it sound like Lebron was superior. I don't think Lebron has any aspect over Jordan. Jordan was the superior scorer, like Pippen said, but Lebron is the most overrated defender in the NBA just because of how often ESPN shows his fastbreak picks and blocks. He's good, but there have been better defensive forwards that I've seen play, Pippen himself is probably the best defensive forward of the past 20 years. Jordan is arguably the best defensive guard of all time, and is certainly the greatest offensive player of all time. I really can't see how Lebron is even comparable to Jordan. At this point in their careers, there's absolutely no contest, it's Jordan all the way, and Jordan never really declined until he returned with the Wizards for those two years, and he was still a huge threat.[/quote']

 

It is a spit in the face to Jordan. I think James is going to end up one of the best players I'll live to see, but he's not on MJ's level. I'll say this again, for 10 straight years that MJ played a full season in the NBA, he won the scoring title. That's from his 3rd year to his last year with the Bulls where he played a full season. That means the two years he was gone, and the one year where he came back later in the season where he wasn't even qualified, and probably rusty, he didn't win it. Oh yeah, he also had the most points in his rookie season, and was not qualified in the 85-86 season. So really he won the scoring title from his rookie season until 1998 that he played start to finish. Incredible, isn't it?

 

That's absolutely unheard of since Wilt Chamberlain. I promise you, we will never see a player more overpowering and dominant than Michael Jordan was from 1985-1998 in our lifetimes. Promise. I know it sounds like a huge stretch, but sometimes I feel like people don't understand how much better than everyone else MJ really is.

 

+1

 

The only thing I can think of to rationalize what Pippen said is jealousy and bitterness, which I don't really understand, as MJ has always given Pippen his due. And I think the media has as well. I liked Magic's tweet:

 

"I have tried not to comment on what Scottie Pippen said, but Michael is the greatest ever - point blank."

 

The lowest point total MJ ever had in a championship game was 22, and that's a fairly large sample size. LeBron's point totals this series: 24, 20, 17, 8. And he scored 14 in a game against the Spurs back in 2007.

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+1

 

The only thing I can think of to rationalize what Pippen said is jealousy and bitterness, which I don't really understand, as MJ has always given Pippen his due. And I think the media has as well. I liked Magic's tweet:

 

"I have tried not to comment on what Scottie Pippen said, but Michael is the greatest ever - point blank."

 

The lowest point total MJ ever had in a championship game was 22, and that's a fairly large sample size. LeBron's point totals this series: 24, 20, 17, 8. And he scored 14 in a game against the Spurs back in 2007.

 

He's basically saying what I said within Twitter's character limit, except without the stats. It's not even close, MJ is in his own realm of greatness unlike any sports icon. In most other sports, there's usually a close comparison, MJ doesn't really have that. Even Wilt declined and MJ until his comeback had a higher scoring average than him lifetime, and in a far less advanced era. Lebron is not in an era advanced from MJs era. The 80s and 90s were just as competitive and advanced as the 2000s, and probably were even more competitive because of how many teams were good.

 

Even when the Bulls were winning those titles, they never had an easy playoff run, they almost lost a lot of times because of how competitive the league was back in the 90s. Teams didn't just overload their rosters with the best players, and make it a 5 or 6 team race. Right now, the league consists of like 5 teams that have a legitimate chance of winning, in the 90s, the entire playoffs consisted of teams that could give each other a hard time.

 

MJ dominated in what is probably the toughest era in basketball, and that's what makes it so impressive, and so silly that Pippen could say anything but that MJ is the greatest of all time.

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I highly doubt the Heat can get two in Miami, the way this is looking.

 

The silver lining is, role players don't really travel, and that seems to hold true for the Mavs.

 

The other silver lining is, Nowitzki finally gets a ring.

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I highly doubt the Heat can get two in Miami, the way this is looking.

 

The silver lining is, role players don't really travel, and that seems to hold true for the Mavs.

 

The other silver lining is, Nowitzki finally gets a ring.

 

so I guess the Heat beat themselves again eh ?;)

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I'm a fan of Lebron but I find its funny how you say that the only way Miami loses this final is if they beat themselves and giving Dallas no credit whatsoever

What credit does Dallas really deserve, aside from capitalizing on the opportunities Miami lays out in front of them in every fourth quarter?

 

The Heat have the two best players in the series. The Heat have the better defense. Those two facts alone make it that the Heat are the better team.

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so I guess the Heat beat themselves again eh ?;)

Pretty much. They did what they've been doing late in games, settling for jump shots (partly due to the stars being doubled and the role players being brain dead) and being lazy on defense.

 

I wonder if they think that game 2 vacation is worth it yet.

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This is what happens when you take your team's best player off your active roster. Big Z deserves better, I hope he goes to a much stronger organization next year.
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So you're saying Miami, with their defense so superior, and two elite players, they couldn't stop Dallas late. So you just accuse them of "laying down" like you know for a fact that they weren't trying as hard? LOL @ YOU.

 

You're such a hypocrite, you always tell people not to call players pussies and stuff, because they're not playing, and here you are accusing a team of not playing hard in the 4th quarter. It's either that, or they just got outplayed late in the game. Make up your mind, are you a hypocrite, or are you wrong?

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Pretty much. They did what they've been doing late in games, settling for jump shots (partly due to the stars being doubled and the role players being brain dead) and being lazy on defense.

 

I wonder if they think that game 2 vacation is worth it yet.

 

:lol:

 

Hyyypocriiiiite.

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What credit does Dallas really deserve, aside from capitalizing on the opportunities Miami lays out in front of them in every fourth quarter?

 

The Heat have the two best players in the series. The Heat have the better defense. Those two facts alone make it that the Heat are the better team.

 

LOL.... well, if they are the better team then they'll win the next 2 game . If they dont their NOT

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