06 Red Sox spreadsheet

[castigs850]

good first post?

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

i dont think erstad will come either though

 

the offense will most likely be the same imo youkilis takes over at third, pedroia taking over second, a new first baseman, and prob a new cf seeing how we lost epstien and thats who damon wanted to negotiate with

 

the pitching will also be very similar other than papelbon in the rotaion maybe a new reliever or two and some of our other young guys comin up

 

Yes good first post you are right on target with the rest of us. If I had it my way we would just find a power bat for 1B and a great defensive CF. Unfortunatly we have the issue with Manny and David Wells wanting to go. Wells isn't a big problem since we have too many starters anyways....Manny presents a headache cause we will have a hard enough time finding a 1B let alone an OF to take over for Manny.

 

Amazingly I don't expect tons of moves like you said with our pitching staff. A lot of the answers are on our team but we could use one more real good arm (prefer a lefty).

[jimmycarter05]

Amazingly I don't expect tons of moves like you said with our pitching staff. A lot of the answers are on our team but we could use one more real good arm (prefer a lefty).

 

 

jarrod washburn?

[castigs850]

jarrod washburn?

he is the only starter i would even look at because im pretty sure barry zito is a fa next year and thats the guy i want to see come here

 

definately NOT Burnett

[guapo34]

hey schillingisnatural, here is a stat you will like and get people on here to see Erstad would be a productive hitter for Fenway. Im for Erstad becoming part of Red Sox Nation.

 

pluses of having Erstad

 

base running skills, capable of 20+ stolen bases

33 career games played in Boston has a .302 batting avg

 

29 errors from 1997 to 2005 covering 1st base and outfield positions, which relates to a .996 fielding % in 1283 games.

 

 

Erstad stold 10 bases last year. I don't think hes getting any faster. Considering how many more attempts the Angels have than the Red Sox, Erstad would probably be good for 3sb next year with a caught stealing. 33 games at Fenway is a lot less worthwhile to look at then his last 5 full seasons where he has been a below average major league hitter. Playing first base, a position where championship teams should be looking for far above average major league hitters. Errors as a first basemen are the worst thing you can look at when rating defensive ability. How well can he pick balls out of the dirt and handle bad throws from Reteria and Youkilis. I doubt he can do it nearly well enough to justify that poor offensive production and $8.5 million contract for a first basemen.

[jimmycarter05]

Erstad stold 10 bases last year. I don't think hes getting any faster. Considering how many more attempts the Angels have than the Red Sox, Erstad would probably be good for 3sb next year with a caught stealing. 33 games at Fenway is a lot less worthwhile to look at then his last 5 full seasons where he has been a below average major league hitter. Playing first base, a position where championship teams should be looking for far above average major league hitters. Errors as a first basemen are the worst thing you can look at when rating defensive ability. How well can he pick balls out of the dirt and handle bad throws from Reteria and Youkilis. I doubt he can do it nearly well enough to justify that poor offensive production and $8.5 million contract for a first basemen.

 

 

amen...the only manny trade i would approve of is for albert pujols, or a star pitcher(jake peavy, johan santana)which will never happen

[riverside sluggers]

How well can he pick balls out of the dirt and handle bad throws from Reteria and Youkilis.

 

if Erstad is brought on board, i could see him rather being put in place of manny in left field, with the Aubrey Huff trade deal still a good possibility. But still the trades we see on the hot stove won't even happen most of the time. Sometimes ued as a diversion to cover up what trades are actually going down

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Going back though to the potential rumor trade.....the key is not Darin Erstad.....the key is Ervin Santana. If you guys watched the playoff game he pitched against the Yanks you get an idea of how good this kid can be. 22 year old who won 12 games for the Angels. You throw him on the Red Sox and he might win 15 in the course of a season. Not bad for someone not close to his prime. Down the road you look at a rotation consisting of Papelbon, Lester, Sanchez, and Santana.....you could have 2-4 potential aces in that group.

[guapo34]

Going back though to the potential rumor trade.....the key is not Darin Erstad.....the key is Ervin Santana. If you guys watched the playoff game he pitched against the Yanks you get an idea of how good this kid can be. 22 year old who won 12 games for the Angels. You throw him on the Red Sox and he might win 15 in the course of a season. Not bad for someone not close to his prime. Down the road you look at a rotation consisting of Papelbon, Lester, Sanchez, and Santana.....you could have 2-4 potential aces in that group.

 

 

put him on the red sox with darin erstad at first base and manny gone and he might win 10 games.

[riverside sluggers]

put him on the red sox with darin erstad at first base and manny gone and he might win 10 games.

 

so you're thinking santana on the red sox staff for the whole 2006 season will win about or under 10 games just because Manny would be gone? I'm sorry but still not seeing credit where its due to david ortiz who's in the running for MVP, he more than manny had carried the team on his back from april to October.

 

How many walkoff hits and HRs did Ortiz compile in 2005?

 

And Manny?

 

Vladimir even with a suitable bat behind him still was able to hit 30+ HRs and 100+ RBIs. Ortiz can easily do the same or even better than those numbers plain and simple. Its evident Ortiz is becoming more of a feared hitter than Manny, why else would they have started intentionally walking Ortiz to get to Manny?

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Anyways this deal is looking dead before getting started with "schillingisnatural" pointing out Gordon Edes reporting Manny or Garret won't take on DH duties for the Angels, so with them it could be ix-nay. Manny is said to still be contending to block a trade with the Mets. Odds are Manny will stay on board for 2006 and make 3 trade requests up to the next offseason.

[guapo34]

so you're thinking santana on the red sox staff for the whole 2006 season will win about or under 10 games just because Manny would be gone? I'm sorry but still not seeing credit where its due to david ortiz who's in the running for MVP, he more than manny had carried the team on his back from april to October.

 

How many walkoff hits and HRs did Ortiz compile in 2005?

 

And Manny?

 

Vladimir even with a suitable bat behind him still was able to hit 30+ HRs and 100+ RBIs. Ortiz can easily do the same or even better than those numbers plain and simple. Its evident Ortiz is becoming more of a feared hitter than Manny, why else would they have started intentionally walking Ortiz to get to Manny?

 

 

Santana had an era of 4.65 and a whip of 1.37, very similar numbers to Matt Clement. I was just implying that our offense would score much less runs without Manny. I like Santana a lot. I know hes young and i know he might get better. I'm just pointing out that he has a long way to go before hes worth being a centerpiece of a trade for a future hall of famer. And compairing what Guerrero did with no protection to what Ortiz would do isn't very valid. They are completely different hitters. I love Ortiz but i don't remember the last time he hit a home run on a pitch 6 inches off the plate inside and above his letters. A hitter like guerrero doesn't need protection.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I'm just pointing out that he has a long way to go before hes worth being a centerpiece of a trade for a future hall of famer.

 

If you wait too long these top pitchers become impossible to get. You need to get them while they are young...its a risk no doubt...but I had said back in 2002, to a few of my friends....we need to get this Johan Santana guy. Now you can pretty much forget it.

 

Yes it doesn't look good for an Angels trade anyways. This idea can be used for all trade possibilities though. If we are going to trade Manny I would still rather focus around young talented pitching cause in the end I want a rotation full of 15 game winners.

[youkilis rules]

all of these comments are very much appreciated. don't get me wrong, i love manny as much as the next guy and would be thrilled to have him in boston for the duration of his contract, but he has straight up requested a trade a luchino has made public statements to the affect that we will follow through with his request. so on that note i think we NEED to go after a guy like ervin santana for the long run. you don't like erstad? so what? he wont be here long. ervin santana will and he's going to be HUGE.

[castigs850]

vladimir even with a suitable bat behind him still was able to hit 30+ HRs and 100+ RBIs. Ortiz can easily do the same or even better than those numbers plain and simple. Its evident Ortiz is becoming more of a feared hitter than Manny, why else would they have started intentionally walking Ortiz to get to Manny?

vladimir can do that because he swings at pitches in the dirt and hits them out of the yard ortiz is far more patient and will walk so much he would pass bonds' single season record and ortiz is a feared hitter more feared than manny i agree but how many times did they intentional walk him? plus everytime they did how many times did you say "theyre gonna pay for that one"? with out manny you wouldnt ever say that

[guapo34]

If you wait too long these top pitchers become impossible to get. You need to get them while they are young...its a risk no doubt...but I had said back in 2002, to a few of my friends....we need to get this Johan Santana guy. Now you can pretty much forget it.

 

Yes it doesn't look good for an Angels trade anyways. This idea can be used for all trade possibilities though. If we are going to trade Manny I would still rather focus around young talented pitching cause in the end I want a rotation full of 15 game winners.

 

 

Good point on Johan. I looked up his numbers after reading your post and his numbers look very similar to Ervin's at the same age. Of course the very next year Johan exploded with a huge season. Still, no gurantees with Ervin, but it does look like he has great stuff. None of this probably matter because Gordan Edes reported yesterday that the Angels might no longer be interested because Garret Anderson and Manny would both not want to DH.

[riverside sluggers]

Pads, Sox talk Wells

By Gordon Edes, Globe Staff

Yes, the Red Sox and Padres are talking about a David Wells trade, with the Sox getting a pitcher--not Sean Burroughs--and possibly Dave Roberts in return.

 

the pitcher in question could be the Padres setup man, Akinori Otsuka.

 

But what a welcomed player Dave Roberts would be as the 4th outfielder/pinch runner

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what would you guys do with kapler

 

I hope you guys dont get Otsuka....im a big Otsuka fan, being the Japanese baseball follower that I am. This guy is good

[yankeessuck013]

the pitcher in question could be the Padres setup man, Akinori Otsuka.

 

But what a welcomed player Dave Roberts would be as the 4th outfielder/pinch runner

 

i'd definetely do otsuka and roberts for wells

[yankeessuck013]

what would you guys do with kapler

 

I hope you guys dont get Otsuka....im a big Otsuka fan, being the Japanese baseball follower that I am. This guy is good

 

he will be out until at least until the all star break next year...

[Sox Fan on Cape]

he will be out until at least the all star break next year...

At least, not to mention even when he comes back, he'll probably be a little slower.

[riverside sluggers]

it could be a deal for dave roberts and 3rd baseman Sean Burroughs. He doesnt hit for much power and RBI-wise, also bodes a .960 fielding %.

 

Otsuka/Roberts stands out better by far.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Yeah I don't understand Sean Burroughs. I know he was talked about a lot when he came up but the guy has pretty much sucked since being in the majors. Not to mention he is a 3rd baseman with NO power. He doesn't look like a Boston Red Sox to me plus we have nowhere to put him since Kevin Youkilis will play 3rd anyways.

[riverside sluggers]

they could put him or youk at 1st base, but still i want at least one of our infielders that hits bombs and can be an RBI machine. something else 2005 season was lacking. Yeah I dont see him coming to Fenway, sad he was a #1 draft pick

[yankeessuck013]

Would be cool to get Dave Roberts back... but I assume he would be 4th outfielder (and didn't he leave originally because he wanted to play every day). I can't see Roberts as an acceptable replacement for Damon at all, any more than I see Burroughs replacing Mueller effectively..

 

 

[castigs850]

But what a welcomed player Dave Roberts would be as the 4th outfielder/pinch runner

if we get that deal i would want roberts to start no way the padres would give that much up though

[example1]

Roberts as #4 outfielder/pinch runner would be fine. It would be great to have a player with the skills to start sitting on the base. Perhaps we could trade him to Oakland at midseason and get Chad Bradford.

 

Seriously, though, if Roberts WERE willing to not start then I would do it in a heart beat. I would see it as being similar to picking up Pokey Reese two years ago. The guy has some very precise specialties, and isn't a great overall player. If we utilize his strengths correctly he could be invaluable.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I put Dave Roberts in the category of Tony Graffanino. I would love to have both of those guys cause they bring experience, leadership, and versatility. Both are perfect for what they do....use what skills they have to the best of there abilities.