Ramirez Asks For Trade (merged)

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I just thought of something I'm sure many of us wouldn't be excited to hear but.....if the Mets made a trade for Baez and Aubrey Huff.....why would they then trade with us??? They would have to give up pitching prospects (to TB ), Lastings Milledge, and Mike Cameron for Manny Ramirez.

 

Aubrey Huff is a power bat they can use for the OF and try to move Mike Cameron for something. They also need a closer and it so happens thats what Baez is. I'm thinking the Mets would make this deal and keep it rather than move them for Manny Ramirez who again 'can veto' the trade which he did make a comment saying he didnt want to go to New York.

good point

 

 

...But Omar is fixated on having superstar latinos in Queens

[eZ_d0eS_iT]

true but never underestimate omar's desire to compete with the yankees in terms of getting high profile players with a budget that is vastly superior to what he was used to in montreal.

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true but never underestimate omar's desire to compete with the yankees in terms of getting high profile players with a budget that is vastly superior to what he was used to in montreal.

exactly. if he was still in Montreal he would just hold on to Huff and Baez, but now that hes with the Mets in the biggest market in the world with a HUGE budget hes going to go after the high profile guy.

[guapo34]

Aubrey Huffs batting average has dropped 50 points and his slugging has dropped 127 points in the last 2 years. Thats a huge dropoff. Considering he just turned 28 this year, players generally get better from age 26 to 28, not much worse. I think its unfair to point to guys as potential steroid users, but if this guy didn't use them he's gotten a lot worse in 2 years.

[riverside sluggers]

i wouldnt jump to the concllusion that Huff uses steroids, no reason to speculate him as a user.

 

2005 for Huff is looking just to be an off year that most players have

 

he just had an off year in batting avg, i'll take his production he had done this past season: 22 HRs, 92 RBIs

[guapo34]

i wouldnt jump to the concllusion that Huff uses steroids, no reason to speculate him as a user.

 

2005 for Huff is looking just to be an off year that most players have

 

he just had an off year in batting avg, i'll take his production he had done this past season: 22 HRs, 92 RBIs

 

I agree, it is unfair to assume he used steroids. Assuming he didn't use steroids, he's gotten worse 2 years in a row. Thats still a terrible sign. Dropping over 100 points in slugging isn't in a 2 year stretch definately does not seem like an off year, especially when it goes with a 50 point drop in batting average, and about the same in OBP so its not like hes being more selective. Thats a major warning sign.

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definately unfair to accuse a guy like Huff of using steroids...but you never know, like for instance, how many people here actually thought that Wally Joyner used steroids (all be it for just a total of 2 days, he still used), because I sure as hell didnt.

 

if you claim to have thought that Joyner was a steroid user, you my friend are a LIAR

[Manny Goes Boom]

definately unfair to accuse a guy like Huff of using steroids...but you never know, like for instance, how many people here actually thought that Wally Joyner used steroids (all be it for just a total of 2 days, he still used), because I sure as hell didnt.

 

if you claim to have thought that Joyner was a steroid user, you my friend are a LIAR

 

I thought he did...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

JK! Just messing with you 26 to 6

[26 to 6]

I thought he did...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

JK! Just messing with you 26 to 6

lol, I was about to call you a "liar"

 

..until I saw the bottom

 

lol

[ARod2212]

See this is what's annoying me with steroids. 5 years ago, somebody having a couple of bad years was simply having a couple of bad years. Now it's steroids. Somebody gets good, it's steroids.

 

Of course it's possible, but until you've got something to prove it, why accuse somebody? You need something more than playing well or poorly, because people have been doing that since they invented the game.

[ognuola]

I just thought of something I'm sure many of us wouldn't be excited to hear but.....if the Mets made a trade for Baez and Aubrey Huff.....why would they then trade with us??? They would have to give up pitching prospects (to TB ), Lastings Milledge, and Mike Cameron for Manny Ramirez.

 

Aubrey Huff is a power bat they can use for the OF and try to move Mike Cameron for something. They also need a closer and it so happens thats what Baez is. I'm thinking the Mets would make this deal and keep it rather than move them for Manny Ramirez who again 'can veto' the trade which he did make a comment saying he didnt want to go to New York.

 

I think they would be more apt to keep baez and trade huff ,milledge,cameron to bos

manny's bat is so much better than huff .. I just read another article in the paper about this mets trade there really pushing it I don't know does that mean this won't happen

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

LL and TW indicated its still very possible the Red Sox could keep Manny. They won't make a move just to make a move basically but if the opportunity shows then they would consider it. I think the biggest problem is Manny only has a few teams he would want to go to. Not to mention those teams need to be concerned with all the situations that come with a big contract. So we have the Mets, Angels, Guardians, and Arizona. Out of those four teams I would say Arizona and Cleveland are most likely out due to money problems. Cleveland doesn't want to spend money while Arizona has already spent stupid money on Russ Ortiz and Troy Glaus. Josh Byrnes would know what he is getting himself into so I say no to Arizona as well. That leaves the Angels which have the DH problem between Manny and Garrett Anderson. So that just leaves the Mets who in all honesty are having trouble finding the right pieces for a deal so what do I think....I think Manny is a retard. He shouldn't request a trade and then limit the team to certain directions.

 

The Red Sox have talked to the agents of AJ Burnett and Paul Konerko so I could see some big signings possibly occuring. They have talked to Johnny Damon and Bill Muellers agents so those situations are developing. I almost see this Manny Ramirez thing falling apart again and the Sox simply spending the money to make this team more capable or trading players where we have lots of depth like starting pitching....David Wells, Matt Clement, Bronson Arroyo.

[example1]

A problem is that we will continue to get Manny back, but he will not be with the team mentally. Maybe he will, I mean, maybe he'll just realize that he has a job (one that he kinda likes) but that he just works someplace he doesn't like all that much.

 

Our BIGGEST problem is that we're spending all this time talking to, looking at, and spending time with GM CANDIDATES!!! We should be spending this time on the team. If we get rid of manny then we will be in the midst of a rebuiliding season or two. We should come out on the other side with some very good young talent. In fact, I imagine the sox signing Ortiz to a multi-year deal after next season (something like 5-6 years at 70 million or so) and making him the bedrock of this team for the future. Some teams (the Cubs, Giants, Phillies and Rockies come to mind) have built themselves around one great hitter over the past few years and found some success (Sosa, Bonds, Thome and Helton).

 

I don't think they won't be able to compete with the Yankees though, which will make baseball a little less fun over the next few years.

[riverside sluggers]

Our BIGGEST problem is that we're spending all this time talking to, looking at, and spending time with GM CANDIDATES!!!

 

actually the top offseason priority is the manny debacle.

 

though im glad at the same time that they are looking at GM candidates. This will be the person who has most of the say in the players the sox obtain, players they cut, players they trade, draft, etc.

 

I don't think they won't be able to compete with the Yankees though, which will make baseball a little less fun over the next few years.

 

sox will come into some great pitching 2006 and beyond. sox dont need to score 7, 8 runs a game which is what we have come accustomed to. Yankees have been having problems of their own, I believe Sox will still drawn even and compete well against ny

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See this is what's annoying me with steroids. 5 years ago, somebody having a couple of bad years was simply having a couple of bad years. Now it's steroids. Somebody gets good, it's steroids.

 

Of course it's possible, but until you've got something to prove it, why accuse somebody? You need something more than playing well or poorly, because people have been doing that since they invented the game.

exactly my thoughts as well

[ORS]

See this is what's annoying me with steroids. 5 years ago, somebody having a couple of bad years was simply having a couple of bad years. Now it's steroids. Somebody gets good, it's steroids.

 

Of course it's possible, but until you've got something to prove it, why accuse somebody? You need something more than playing well or poorly, because people have been doing that since they invented the game.

exactly my thoughts as well

Could have fooled me.....

Beltre is such a loser...wouldnt be surprised if he was a juicer.

from the "What the heck? Adrian Beltre?" thread.

 

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[SchillingIsTheNatural]

One team on the West Coast I find interesting would be Seattle for a destination Manny could go. He didn't mention it but he would be able to get away from the star studded type atmosphere that he seems to hate. The Mariners flat out suck and could really use some changes. Incase these talks to Johnny Damon go sour why not look into the BEST leadoff hitter in the game....Ichiro Suzuki. Another name I would love to have but could be classified with the word "impossible" is Felix the King. He is the future of that team and although they might want to mix things up I doubt that would occur.

 

....just another team to think about

[yankeessuck013]

One team on the West Coast I find interesting would be Seattle for a destination Manny could go. He didn't mention it but he would be able to get away from the star studded type atmosphere that he seems to hate. The Mariners flat out suck and could really use some changes. Incase these talks to Johnny Damon go sour why not look into the BEST leadoff hitter in the game....Ichiro Suzuki. Another name I would love to have but could be classified with the word "impossible" is Felix the King. He is the future of that team and although they might want to mix things up I doubt that would occur.

 

....just another team to think about

 

not sure if this was posted already but:

 

According to the ny post: http://www.nypost.com/sports/31152.htm

 

it is very unlikly the Mariners will trade Ichiro. they bring in a lot of money from japan because of Ichiro. theres no way in hell they would trade Ichiro for Manny. the money they bring in will keep him there. they will explore trade possibilities, but it will have to be an outstanding offer for Ichiro to be traded. they certainly wont take someone's huge contract on and let go the revenue they bring in from overseas.

 

we'd be trading a clean up hitter for a lead off hitter, and im sure we could get another lead off hitter without sacrificing that much power. I still don't see Manny leaving the sox. I am going to stand by that statement until i read in the paper he is gone

[ksushi]

Yeah, i think manny will be back in Boston as well, but depending on what they get i wouldnt be to averse to trading him. but ichiro for manny doesnt make sense for either team if thats the entire trade.

[castigs850]

i love it when they pitch to big papi

throw your hands in the air if you want manny here:thumbsup:

[castigs850]

he was the best i could find for "hands up"

[yankeessuck013]

I heard an interesting trade rumor over at a Cardinals site involving Manny. It would be Manny to the Cards for Jim Edmonds, Adam Wainright and Jason Marquis.

[schillingouttheks]

Ew. No. I want a better pitcher than Jason Marquis. Hah, I've heard very little about Wainright, anybody know anythin about him? And Jim Edmonds, well, he's unbelievable, BUT I would still take Manny. Although we could use that defense in the outfield, mixed in with a power bat...

[ARod2212]

If you've gotta lose Manny, Edmonds isn't a bad pickup. Although it would have been better 4 years ago.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Maybe they would want to dump off Scott Rolen. I don't know anything about his injury he had but he could play 3rd base and we could stick Youk at 1st...or other way around.

[eZ_d0eS_iT]

JASON MARQUIS!?!? Bleh!

 

Well with Cameron going to San Diego, I guess the possible Mets deal is off...unless they're willing to throw in Wright...which Omar would be insane to do...

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Edmonds is getting up in age and I dont think the Cards would take Manny, theyre into good defense mixed with good offense, not just good offense.

[26 to 6]

Could have fooled me.....

 

from the "What the heck? Adrian Beltre?" thread.

 

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I did not accuse Adrian Beltre of using steroids, I just said thatI wouldnt be surprised if he did/does. There is a difference in accusing somebody and just having a casual speculation. What I did with Beltre was just a casual speculation, what you guys did with Giambi and Sheffield is accuse.

 

You really like to jump all over me, if I was a Sox fan I guarantee that you wouldnt be as interested in every single one of my posts.

 

But my friend, in this case you are wrong

[eZ_d0eS_iT]

well originally they wanted and almost got giles to come in and take over for larry walker, but after hearing what matsui is getting from the yankees, he and his agent had a change of heart and it's doubtful Jockety with a tight budget is going to pony up and blow his entire available $$ for a 35? yr old right fielder like Giles when they have other needs to consider as well.

[ORS]

I did not accuse Adrian Beltre of using steroids, I just said thatI wouldnt be surprised if he did/does. There is a difference in accusing somebody and just having a casual speculation. What I did with Beltre was just a casual speculation, what you guys did with Giambi and Sheffield is accuse.

 

You really like to jump all over me, if I was a Sox fan I guarantee that you wouldnt be as interested in every single one of my posts.

 

But my friend, in this case you are wrong

This is what started the steroid conversation in this thread:

 

Aubrey Huffs batting average has dropped 50 points and his slugging has dropped 127 points in the last 2 years. Thats a huge dropoff. Considering he just turned 28 this year, players generally get better from age 26 to 28, not much worse. I think its unfair to point to guys as potential steroid users, but if this guy didn't use them he's gotten a lot worse in 2 years.

 

I see nothing more than specualtion there, yet you were quick to agree with those that said it wasn't fair to suggest that. I have never said anything more than I think Giambi is using something. I guess it's only OK when you are the one doing the speculating.

 

I read all the threads here, and I put my two cents in wherever I feel they are necessary. If a Sox fan here condraticted himself as much as you do, my actions would be no different, but I haven't seen a fan of any team do it as regularly as you do.