offseason moves

[Cityofchampions33]

If he can do his job defensively I'll be happy with him, and hey maybe he'll knock in a few runs.

[ahhchon]

I just don't understand why you would want Lidge and Berkman. Yes Lidge has been very good, but like someone said before we have Foulke, Timlin, and Mota ... and don't forget Hansen is waiting in the wings for the closer job. I just don't see how Lidge and Berkman are worth Manny.

 

was that directed at me? if so, i'll answer. i never stated that i wanted berkman and lidge over manny. i love manny and i don't think he's someone you can easily replace. BUT given the opportunity that you can get berkman AND lidge for manny you should do it immediately. berkman was paid a hair over 10 mill last season, that right there will free the sox of 10 mill in payroll.. lidge was paid 500K. i think he might be eligable for arbitration in 06, maybe 07, i forget.

 

if the opportunity arose, i would consider trading for berkman and lidge. i never stated i would keep lidge. bl's value is higher than it has ever been. you could EASILY trade someone like lidge, for spects, another sp, bullpen help another bat, any ss not named jeter.

 

it's all speculation as of now, i personally don't see manny going anywhere, let alone houston where they can't afford him.

 

i hear you, i dont see it either berkman has been injurey prone aswell. its manny to the angles, dodgers or orioles thats it if not hell be back at fenway

 

do you know anything about baseball? i have yet to see you type anything that is based on facts, let alone type with grammar.

 

berkman has been an everyday player ever since he joined the majors, last season was his first with a longer stint on the dl, it lasted 30 (ish) games. in fact, throughout his career he averages more games per season than manny does. in manny's 12 seasons he has never played more than 154 games, berkman has done this 3 times in his 6 seasons, one of them being his rookie season.

 

before i rip you any harder on the berkman bs you just typed i also wanted to let you know that an anGEL and an anGLE are very different teams. don't tell me it's a typo, we all know you're just stupid.

 

john

[example1]

was that directed at me? if so, i'll answer. i never stated that i wanted berkman and lidge over manny. i love manny and i don't think he's someone you can easily replace. BUT given the opportunity that you can get berkman AND lidge for manny you should do it immediately. berkman was paid a hair over 10 mill last season, that right there will free the sox of 10 mill in payroll.. lidge was paid 500K. i think he might be eligable for arbitration in 06, maybe 07, i forget.

 

if the opportunity arose, i would consider trading for berkman and lidge. i never stated i would keep lidge. bl's value is higher than it has ever been. you could EASILY trade someone like lidge, for spects, another sp, bullpen help another bat, any ss not named jeter.

 

it's all speculation as of now, i personally don't see manny going anywhere, let alone houston where they can't afford him.

 

 

 

do you know anything about baseball? i have yet to see you type anything that is based on facts, let alone type with grammar.

 

berkman has been an everyday player ever since he joined the majors, last season was his first with a longer stint on the dl, it lasted 30 (ish) games. in fact, throughout his career he averages more games per season than manny does. in manny's 12 seasons he has never played more than 154 games, berkman has done this 3 times in his 6 seasons, one of them being his rookie season.

 

before i rip you any harder on the berkman bs you just typed i also wanted to let you know that an anGEL and an anGLE are very different teams. don't tell me it's a typo, we all know you're just stupid.

 

john

 

 

Jesus, I better get out the Strunk and White for this post.

 

I dont' want Lidge and Birkman either. I was just saying that if the sox were going to make this deal then we had better get Houston's best hitter in the deal as well. If there is someone that I'm missing then please let me know (not you Ahhchon).

 

If Manny will show up then stick with manny. No question. We don't need Lidge right now.

[The CUP]

ok faggot it was a typo because i was so astonished by ur absolute acinine statements, not only is berkman injury prone but his number are some wat inflated by the hitters park he plays in. as for lidge yea lets give up one of the best hitters in the league for a pitcher that will just impeade the growth of hansen and cause more confusion of who the defactop closer is. i say we keep manny he isn't going to pass up the money he will play and unless we somehow get tejada or both JD drew and abreu for manny then we dont do the trade. the red sox have showed a shyness in pulling the trigger on a manny trade because the players in return obvisously don't come close to matching up. berkman is a bum and so r u. his name is lance come on LANCE. if thats your boyfriends name i understand ur lust for berkman, but if it isnt then shut up

[guapo34]

According to this webiste, http://www.hardballdollars.com/team.php?team=astros&name=Astros, Berkman has 5 years at $14.5 million left on his contract. So you save $5.5 a year for three years minus what Lidge gets in arbitration. I think its a tough call. In order to do a trade like this you'd first have to sit down and consider how much his numbers would go down leaving Minute Maid Park.

 

Surprisingly his numbers haven't gone down on the road over the last three years. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/splits?statsId=6279&type=batting3

 

When you factor in Lidge, I think we come out ahead.

[riverside sluggers]

Deal with Mariners discussed

Reed, Clement may be in contingency plan

By Chris Snow and Gordon Edes, Globe Staff | December 13, 2005

 

As a possible contingency plan if they lose Johnny Damon, the Red Sox have discussed a deal with the Mariners that would involve Matt Clement going to Seattle and center fielder Jeremy Reed coming to Boston, according to a source with direct knowledge of the discussions. Reed, 24, hit .254 with 3 homers, 45 RBIs, and a .322 on-base percentage last season.

[Cityofchampions33]

 

 

Ummm, YES!!! Hell yes would I do that deal, he's younger cheaper and waaaay more rpomising then either Encarnacion or White, not to mention Clement. He's got good defense (compared to Kotsay) and can hit just about everything in the zone (Paul O'Neill, Jonny Helmet) and is still developing [ower. He is highly praised for his lead-off abilities as well. However he did have a very underwhelimng season in the bigs last year.

[MC Hammer]

was that directed at me? if so, i'll answer. i never stated that i wanted berkman and lidge over manny. i love manny and i don't think he's someone you can easily replace. BUT given the opportunity that you can get berkman AND lidge for manny you should do it immediately. berkman was paid a hair over 10 mill last season, that right there will free the sox of 10 mill in payroll.. lidge was paid 500K. i think he might be eligable for arbitration in 06, maybe 07, i forget.

 

if the opportunity arose, i would consider trading for berkman and lidge. i never stated i would keep lidge. bl's value is higher than it has ever been. you could EASILY trade someone like lidge, for spects, another sp, bullpen help another bat, any ss not named jeter.

 

it's all speculation as of now, i personally don't see manny going anywhere, let alone houston where they can't afford him.

It wasn't specifically directed at you. It was directed at anyone who was talking about this. As much as I think Lidge could be a dominiate closer for the next 5 years + atleast, Berkman's constant injuries really scared me. I just don't want to take on high contract players who have a high chance for injury. Especially when we have to give up one of the best hitters in the league.

[ahhchon]

ok faggot it was a typo because i was so astonished by ur absolute acinine statements, not only is berkman injury prone but his number are some wat inflated by the hitters park he plays in. as for lidge yea lets give up one of the best hitters in the league for a pitcher that will just impeade the growth of hansen and cause more confusion of who the defactop closer is. i say we keep manny he isn't going to pass up the money he will play and unless we somehow get tejada or both JD drew and abreu for manny then we dont do the trade. the red sox have showed a shyness in pulling the trigger on a manny trade because the players in return obvisously don't come close to matching up. berkman is a bum and so r u. his name is lance come on LANCE. if thats your boyfriends name i understand ur lust for berkman, but if it isnt then shut up

 

cup, please read your post that i have quoted. when you have finished, read it again. when done, do it again and again and again. repeat until you have realized you are a complete moron.

 

you make statements that are not backed up by any facts. berkman is injury prone? i've stated that he's shown to play more games per season. the funny thing is that you ask for jd drew, so he's not injury prone but berkman is?

 

the fact is that lidge + berkman for manny is a good trade because you would spin lidge around for another hitter, or whatever the hell you want. you seem to have missed that part of my post, but i have come to expect that from a moron.

 

john

[example1]

ok faggot it was a typo because i was so astonished by ur absolute acinine statements, not only is berkman injury prone but his number are some wat inflated by the hitters park he plays in. as for lidge yea lets give up one of the best hitters in the league for a pitcher that will just impeade the growth of hansen and cause more confusion of who the defactop closer is. i say we keep manny he isn't going to pass up the money he will play and unless we somehow get tejada or both JD drew and abreu for manny then we dont do the trade. the red sox have showed a shyness in pulling the trigger on a manny trade because the players in return obvisously don't come close to matching up. berkman is a bum and so r u. his name is lance come on LANCE. if thats your boyfriends name i understand ur lust for berkman, but if it isnt then shut up

 

Can someone either warn this jerk or ban him. I don't particularly like coming here to talk baseball and getting a hate-filled rant by a biggot. Just my opinion, but lets keep this civil man. You are talking about BASEBALL here, not homosexuality.

[26 to 6]

I know im a little late on this one but here goes.

 

If I was a Sox fan and the SOx had the opprotunity to get Lidge and Berkman for Manny I would want them to do it. While yes, Berkman did have a below-par season last year due to unjury and whatnot, over the years he has proven to be a offensive threat as well as play decent defense (not last year of coarse, but in years past he wasnt that bad, mind you, I am not looking at stats, but just from memory of watching him play and whatnot I do not think he was a bad defensive outfielder at all) and Lidge, in my opinion, is the best relief pitcher in the National League next to a healthy Eric Gagne. And not to mention that he is still pretty damn young. So regardless of the fact that Hansen, Foulke, etc.. are all capable of closing or whatever I would still have to make this trade if I was the Sox. I would also try to get a prospect or 2 in the deal as well, which shouldnt be a problem.

[26 to 6]

hopefully he can dislocate jeter's shoulder a few more times

I STILL hate Ken Huckaby for that. And not just that, the fact that he's a lying dirtbag. He claimed to have left a message on jeter's cell after the incident but Jeter denied ever receiving the call.

 

You guys getting Huckaby would be another reason for me to hate him, so go for it. The guy cant play, he will end up being DFA'd in May and then you guys will call up Shoppach.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Alright I'm late on this too but we are talking about Berkman and Lidge for Manny....

 

YES

 

Lance Berkman is a excellent hitter and Lidge is a top reliever (closer or not). Maybe Berkman isn't the same guy Manny is but he is better than just about all options (except Tejada) I have heard in a possible Manny Ramirez deal. On top of that you get Brad Lidge who has nasty stuff and will continue to be a great pitcher for years. So you increase your bullpen strength and add an additional switch hitting bat to the arsenal.

 

This would be a no-brain trade. The Houston Astros just had another great playoff run and we would be taking there top relief pitcher and best hitter....hello?? Of course we would do that.

[ahhchon]

Alright I'm late on this too but we are talking about Berkman and Lidge for Manny....

 

YES

 

Lance Berkman is a excellent hitter and Lidge is a top reliever (closer or not). Maybe Berkman isn't the same guy Manny is but he is better than just about all options (except Tejada) I have heard in a possible Manny Ramirez deal. On top of that you get Brad Lidge who has nasty stuff and will continue to be a great pitcher for years. So you increase your bullpen strength and add an additional switch hitting bat to the arsenal.

 

This would be a no-brain trade. The Houston Astros just had another great playoff run and we would be taking there top relief pitcher and best hitter....hello?? Of course we would do that.

 

 

like i have said over and over again, berkman and lidge for manny is a good trade. BUT, it will never happen, houston doesn't want to take on the extra payroll, for them the trade would be stupid because they could trade lidge for another big bat in their lineup, biggio, bagwell (if healthy), berkman, big bat = much better offensive production.

 

IF and IF (very very unlikely) that the sox did get berkman and lidge for manny it would be smart for them to spin lidge to another team. the o's might be interested in a lidge for miggy trade. they will cut payroll and add a top notch closer. even with that i don't see it happening. the o's wouldn't trade the heart of their lineup.

 

john

 

p.s.- sotk, this was not a shot at you..

[The CUP]

dude i understand that jd drew is injury prone but would you not like to gte both him and abreu with papi that would be ridiculous. drew can play center too if we lose damon. but the trade that is going around now is tejada to mets for prospects then they spin him to us for manny. then we send clement and moss or sumtin like dat to the reds for dunn that would be incredible. i dont want to argue with you ahhchon anymore so leave it alone u have ur opinion. personal i am just trying to find excuses for berkman not to come to boston because i dont like him as a player he doesn't have that it factor and he is primarily a lefty which, unless you can kill the ball like papi is tough to hit for power at fenway.i agree though we could spin lidge good idea . there was talk of us getting jimmy rollins i would love that, he young and can lead off if we lose out on damon

[schillingouttheks]

Why the hell would the Orioles trade Tejada away if there was ANY chance he would get spun to us? That's like us trading away Manny to the NL, and the O's trading Tejada within the division. I just can't see that happening.

[ahhchon]

dude i understand that jd drew is injury prone but would you not like to gte both him and abreu with papi that would be ridiculous. drew can play center too if we lose damon. but the trade that is going around now is tejada to mets for prospects then they spin him to us for manny. then we send clement and moss or sumtin like dat to the reds for dunn that would be incredible. i dont want to argue with you ahhchon anymore so leave it alone u have ur opinion. personal i am just trying to find excuses for berkman not to come to boston because i dont like him as a player he doesn't have that it factor and he is primarily a lefty which, unless you can kill the ball like papi is tough to hit for power at fenway.i agree though we could spin lidge good idea . there was talk of us getting jimmy rollins i would love that, he young and can lead off if we lose out on damon

 

you are a complete f'in moron. there is ZERO chance that we end up with drew and abreu. who the hell are we going to trade for them. stop living in fantasy la la land and think we can get any player we want. you're the red sox version of a stupid yankee fan. you can't type, you can't spell, you don't understand the concept of grammar, you don't have any clue about your team or any team in baseball for that matter, you have no idea about players, you base your arguements on opinions instead of facts and when people bring up facts you get angry and sound stupid.

 

john

 

p.s.- i tried to make a terrible run on sentence but i couldn't, i had to add commas.

[jimmycarter05]

Since the Blue Jays have gotten Lyle Overbay (for what its worth), they are interested in trading either Eric Hinske(1b) or Shea Hillenbrand(3b), I was wondering if a Youk trade could be worked out for either one of these players, to be our 1b, they are both very good young players. Any thoughts?

[guapo34]

Both are older and put up pretty similar numbers to Youk. We already have Youk, hes cheaper, and i don't see any reason to think why either shea or hinske would be better. Hinske in 2004 was pretty bad, and rebounded to average last year.

[ahhchon]

Both are older and put up pretty similar numbers to Youk. We already have Youk, hes cheaper, and i don't see any reason to think why either shea or hinske would be better. Hinske in 2004 was pretty bad, and rebounded to average last year.

 

some people just don't understand/know baseball guapo.

 

john

[Beckett95]

Since the Blue Jays have gotten Lyle Overbay (for what its worth), they are interested in trading either Eric Hinske(1b) or Shea Hillenbrand(3b), I was wondering if a Youk trade could be worked out for either one of these players, to be our 1b, they are both very good young players. Any thoughts?

 

youkilis is just as good, if not better than Hinske. They are going to keep Shea to play 3B or DH. Youk is also younger than Hinske

[riverside sluggers]

Rotoworld: Yankees manager Joe Torre placed a call to free agent Johnny Damon before leaving for Italy yesterday. He didn't discuss the conversation. Damon is expected to meet with the Dodgers in Los Angeles this weekend. The Yankees are likely to pursue him if agent Scott Boras lets them know he's willing to sign for four years. Boras has told the Yankees he won't consider any offer below five years.

[ksushi]

I wouldn't worry about it, I think Damon want to be a Red Sock.

 

Yeah, trading for hinske or shea doesn't make the red sox any better. The last thing we will trade youk for is another 3rd basemen, so I think that those guys are probably ruled out despite both of them playing both corners. I think youk will end up in a deal with wells for a reliever.

[jimmycarter05]

some people just don't understand/know baseball guapo.

 

john

 

 

Some people just like thinking outside the box, you ever heard of it? Thinking? You should try it sometime moron.

[schillingouttheks]

Hahahaha someone just called John a moron. Wow. He's anything but a moron.

[Cityofchampions33]

Hahahaha someone just called John a moron. Wow. He's anything but a moron.

 

Yeah, if your gunna challenge anyone in this forum, it aint him. Try Gabekaplerluver

[jimmycarter05]

Yeah, if your gunna challenge anyone in this forum, it aint him. Try Gabekaplerluver

 

 

I never challenged him, I have alot of respect for him because he knows what he's talking about when it comes to baseball, however I didn't like it when he said I didn't know anything about baseball.

[riverside sluggers]

Sox extend offer to Seanez

By Michael Silverman/ Red Sox Notebook

Thursday, December 15, 2005 - Updated: 02:18 AM EST

 

The Red Sox have made a one-year offer laden with performance bonuses to resurgent right-handed reliever Rudy Seanez, whom they want to bolster the back end of their bullpen. The Red Sox are one of four teams to have made an offer to the Padres free agent, with the Braves, Devil Rays and Rangers in as well, agent David Schwartz of CSMG Sports said yesterday. The Yankees and Dodgers are expected to make offers soon. It may take a two-year guaranteed deal to land Seanez, who could be used along with Mike Timlin in the set-up role, or as added insurance in case closer Keith Foulke does not return to form.

 

Another factor working in Seanez’ favor in the Red Sox’ eyes is that he enjoys success against left-handed hitters as well, holding them to a .231 batting average last season (.212 against righties) in a strong year with the Padres. Overall he held opponents to a .222 batting average, while posting a 2.69 ERA with 84 strikeouts and just 22 walks in 60 innings. Seanez had a brief and forgettable experience with the Red Sox in the middle of the 2003 season, when compromised by injury, he was lit up for a 6.23 ERA in nine games. The 37-year-old broke into the majors in 1989 and has played for eight different teams, including three stints with the Padres and two with the Dodgers.

 

“Rudy is very interested in Boston but other teams are in the picture as well,” Schwartz said. “Rudy is going to take his time, weigh all his options and make a decision on what’s best for him and his family.” Seanez, who made $550,000 last season, was not tendered arbitration by the Padres, making him more attractive to other teams since he will not require a compensatory draft pick.

[ahhchon]

I never challenged him, I have alot of respect for him because he knows what he's talking about when it comes to baseball, however I didn't like it when he said I didn't know anything about baseball.

 

if i'm a moron and you respect me and think i know what i'm talking about, what does that make you? the fact of the matter is that guapo called you out and you have been unable to answer. don't get mad at me.

 

john

[jimmycarter05]

if i'm a moron and you respect me and think i know what i'm talking about, what does that make you? the fact of the matter is that guapo called you out and you have been unable to answer. don't get mad at me.

 

john

 

? Called out? He disagreed with me which is what this forum is all about, people giving opinions and you can like them or not, he disagreed with me, he didn't "call me out." Whatever though, lets just forget about it