offseason moves

[riverside sluggers]

yea but erubiel durazo is more of a DH, a la Big Papi

 

and when not DH-ing he is at 1st base, where Youkilis and JT Snow are set to be for opening day.

[yankeessuck013]

Has JT officially signed?

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Has JT officially signed?

Nope

[Soxfan1]

Whose Matt Lecroy?

[26 to 6]

Hes played his entire career with the Twins. Big husky guy. PLays the corners and catcher.

 

Why?

 

http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/5287/lecroy5kt.jpg

[yankeessuck013]

what about a trade of David Wells for Mike Cameron. Wells would be back in SD, and i believe their salaries are fairly similar. Plus, SD has 4 OFers: Dave Roberts, Ben Johnson, Ryan Klesko, and Brian Giles

[yankeessuck013]

Why?

 

because soxfan posted a quote on a page back.

 

The St. Paul Pioneer-Press reports that the Sox also have interest in signing C/1B/DH Matt LeCroy.

[26 to 6]

what about a trade of David Wells for Mike Cameron. Wells would be back in SD, and i believe their salaries are fairly similar. Plus, SD has 4 OFers: Dave Roberts, Ben Johnson, Ryan Klesko, and Brian Giles

Isnt Klesko going to be playing first for them though?

[26 to 6]

because soxfan posted a quote on a page back.

I see

[Soxfan1]

did you see the last post I made?

[ORS]

Isnt Klesko going to be playing first for them though?

I would think he is, but they still can spare one if they haven't given up on Freddy Guzman yet. Wells for Roberts is starting to make a lot of sense right now. Roberts has one year left under contract, which is a perfect stop-gap. This allows Ellsbury to develop another year, or the FO the chance to get to next year's FA market, depending on how they plan approach CF after this year. Initial reports were that the Sox wanted more than Roberts in return for Wells, but at this point, something needs to be done, because Stern should not be starting in the OF.

[26 to 6]

I would think he is, but they still can spare one if they haven't given up on Freddy Guzman yet. Wells for Roberts is starting to make a lot of sense right now. Roberts has one year left under contract, which is a perfect stop-gap. This allows Ellsbury to develop another year, or the FO the chance to get to next year's FA market, depending on how they plan approach CF after this year. Initial reports were that the Sox wanted more than Roberts in return for Wells, but at this point, something needs to be done, because Stern should not be starting in the OF.

If I was the Sox I would want to get something a little more than Dave Roberts. I would take Dave Roberts and a prospect or Dave ROberts and a backup, or even Dave Roberts and a releiver or something, but Booomer/Roberts straight up is a no go in my opinion.

[yankeessuck013]

Isnt Klesko going to be playing first for them though?

 

I thought Adrian Gonzalez was.

[CrespoBlows]

what about a trade of David Wells for Mike Cameron.* Wells would be back in SD, and i believe their salaries are fairly similar.* Plus, SD has 4 OFers: Dave Roberts, Ben Johnson, Ryan Klesko, and Brian Giles

 

Won't happen, the Padres traded for Mike Cameron because he would shore up the outfield defense in spacious PETCO Park. What the Red Sox should do is try to trade David Wells for Roberts, and Tim Stauffer. If the Padres demand salary, then the Red Sox should send some cash going the Padres way. Irregardless, it's doubtful this trade happens. More than likely, Wells is flipped to the Dodgers for some package of prospects would probably would be used in a deal for Gathright. (Screw Lugo, the Red Sox need to deal for Tejada.) If they can land Tejada in a four way deal, with Gathright coming our way, the Red Sox should then sign Preston Wilson to play LF. The team would then look like this:

 

C: Vartiek

1B: Youkilis/Snow

2B: Loretta

SS: Tejada

3B: Lowell

LF: Wilson

CF: Gathright

RF: Nixon

DH: Ortiz

 

1. Youkilis 3B (OBP numbers, plus he sees a lot of pitches)

2. Loretta 2B

3. Tejada SS

4. Ortiz DH

5. Vartiek C

6. Nixon RF

7. Wilson LF

8. Lowell 3B

9. Gathright CF (until his OBP rises he doesn't warrant the leadoff spot).

[ORS]

That means they are essentially trading Wells for Gathright. No thanks. They already have a Gathright named Adam Stern. Similar numbers in each MiLB level (disregarding injury years for Stern). Although, I'm all for it they get multiple 'spects from the Dodgers and manage to keep one in the Gathright deal.

[ksushi]

I would prefer ellsbury to gathwright at this point. He isnt going to be the long term solution here, I don't see that happening. and apparently there is no four way so all that is moot. I'd love to explain all the reasons why the sox dont need tejada any more then they need john henry to play short stop, but ive done it a hundred times.

[example1]

I would prefer ellsbury to gathwright at this point. He isnt going to be the long term solution here, I don't see that happening. and apparently there is no four way so all that is moot. I'd love to explain all the reasons why the sox dont need tejada any more then they need john henry to play short stop, but ive done it a hundred times.

 

I don't remember you explaining why they don't need tejada ksushi. Go ahead.

 

I ask you to do so under the following assumptions:

a) Manny MIGHT not come back next year of his own choosing (emphasis on the might)

If manny leaves there is nobody who can adequately replace his offense

c) the red sox need a SS.

 

explain away:

[ORS]

I think Jacoby needs at least one more year, probably two, of development. Yes, he did very well in his professional debut at Lowell, but that is just short season A-ball. Having him on the big club means skipping low-A, high-A, AA, and AAA in one offseason. Jeff Corsaletti was picked in the same draft and put up a .919 OPS in low-A, and he needs more development too.

[ksushi]

I don't remember you explaining why they don't need tejada ksushi. Go ahead.

 

I ask you to do so under the following assumptions:

a) Manny MIGHT not come back next year of his own choosing (emphasis on the might)

If manny leaves there is nobody who can adequately replace his offense

c) the red sox need a SS.

 

explain away:

 

You've got a search button and the ability to flip pages, so by all means, you go ahead.

[guapo34]

If they keep Manny, they don't need Tejada. If we trade Manny then Tejada is by far the best player we might be able to get. He's the best SS in baseball. And would come close to replacing Mannys production. Tejada and new LF could easily outproduce Manny and Alex Cora.

[example1]

I'd love to explain all the reasons why the sox dont need tejada any more then they need john henry to play short stop, but ive done it a hundred times.

 

You've got a search button and the ability to flip pages, so by all means, you go ahead.

 

Its not worth it. Your argument must be a strong one if your not willing to articulate it when someone asks you to do it. I'm pretty sure Tejada has a better Range Factor and OPS than John Henry, he's younger and has a better arm. I think he also has the same qualities over Cora (at least offensively) and is a good guy to have on your team.

 

If you're not going to respond to my initial question, I can at least ask you what you would propose to do about Manny wanting to leave... what would you do if you ran this team and truly believed that Manny might not come to ST?

[ksushi]

There is no evidence at all that Manny would walk. All Manny has said publically is that he won't report to spring training on time if he isn't traded. That doesn't exactly scare anybody. Manny will play. We have a viable short stop option in Cora and a whole in CF with no realistic outfield options right now. We can use Clement in a trade for an outfield option and our holes are filled and with pitching to spare ( well not really, no one ever has pitching to spare, but wells is a good pitcher who said he won't pitch here if he isnt traded.) Trade Wells and you can bring pitching back that will do us well for next year and years after.

 

edit - better idea, Ill PM you my entire book on the tejada trade that is all over the rumors section. it will take me awhile, no one read it anyways so at least now i have an audience. it would be too grande to but in here so ill PM it to avoid spamming this whole forum,

[Soxfan1]

Hes played his entire career with the Twins. Big husky guy. PLays the corners and catcher.

 

Why?

 

http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/5287/lecroy5kt.jpg

Well let's hope he ends up like the last ex-twin we picked up.

[ksushi]

Lecroy has monster power, I remember in 04 he was something like 10/12 in pinch hit at bats with like 8 homers or something ridiculous like that. They misuse a lot of their hitting prospects. Thats why ortiz ended up in our hands and why they haven't had a hitter knock 30 homers in a season since like 1980.

 

But wait, why are we talking about Lecroy? I mean, can he play center field? I'd be funny to see him try, but I don't think so. He's not exactly a feather weight. We have first base sort of solved, and there has to be a DH around somewhere. I think that vari... something is our catcher, right? Jeez, I don't know. Maybe lecroy can pitch?

[jimmycarter05]

Lecroy has monster power, I remember in 04 he was something like 10/12 in pinch hit at bats with like 8 homers or something ridiculous like that. They misuse a lot of their hitting prospects. Thats why ortiz ended up in our hands and why they haven't had a hitter knock 30 homers in a season since like 1980.

 

But wait, why are we talking about Lecroy? I mean, can he play center field? I'd be funny to see him try, but I don't think so. He's not exactly a feather weight. We have first base sort of solved, and there has to be a DH around somewhere. I think that vari... something is our catcher, right? Jeez, I don't know. Maybe lecroy can pitch?

 

Back-Back up catcher, image trying to run him over at home plate.

[ksushi]

imagine him playing... oh wait, he never would. There is no reason to waste production and trade chips getting this guy and sitting him.

[riverside sluggers]

ugh Sox FO very ugh, according to the Boston Herald, the Sox are close to striking distance on a deal with Tampa Bay. It would be a straight up swap of Lugo for Marte.

 

Lugo to Sox has Rays of light

By Tony Massarotti

Boston Herald Baseball Columnist and General Sports Columnist

Wednesday, January 4, 2006 - Updated: 02:31 AM EST

 

Amid their pursuit of Baltimore Orioles shortstop Miguel Tejada, the Red Sox also have continued discussions with the Tampa Bay Devil Rays on a fallback option that could deliver Julio Lugo to Boston. According to sources, talks between the Sox and Devil Rays have progressed to the point where a deal could be within striking distance. That is a change from much of this offseason, during which the Devil Rays have remained rigid in talks with all clubs regarding their players.

 

Until recently, there had been some suggestion that Tampa was seeking one of the Sox’ two prized pitching prospects, Jonathan Papelbon and Jon Lester. Recent indications, however, are that the Sox would be able to acquire Lugo for third baseman Andy Marte, whom the Sox obtained from the Atlanta Braves last month in exchange for Edgar Renteria. In effect, a Marte-for-Lugo swap means the Sox will have traded Renteria for Lugo, though the Sox are still paying an annual average of nearly $4 million on Renteria’s contract through the 2008 season.

 

Marte has vast potential to be a great hitter and long career with the Sox... and we're giving him up for an average shortstop that is probably just going to be here for 1 season?

[example1]

ugh Sox FO very ugh, according to the Boston Herald, the Sox are close to striking distance on a deal with Tampa Bay. It would be a straight up swap of Lugo for Marte.

 

 

 

Marte has vast potential to be a great hitter and long career with the Sox... and we're giving him up for an average shortstop that is probably just going to be here for 1 season?

 

This makes just no sense. I mean, we've talked about it before, over and over again on this site, but man! this just shouldn't happen. Lugo isn't even young. Unless he's part of a trade for Tejada (even then it wouldn't be a good deal) I can't wrap my brain around it. Perhaps the sox aren't as confident in marte as they initially were??..??

[pats55sox45]

its dumb

its like givin up edgar and money for lugo

thats just plain stupid

[ORS]

I don't see this happening. Tampa turned down Lugo for Marte from the Braves, realized they were trying to squeeze too hard when they lost him, and then ran the "Marte needs surgery" story as part of their spin on not doing the deal. And the Boston FO knows this. Sounds like Tony Maz is just doing his job, trying to sell papers.