Manny to Mets

[Tek4pres]

OK Listen here f*** THE RUMOR of him being traded..

2. Manny made Ortiz he helped his hitting.

3.Manny is the 1-2 punch with Ortiz.

4.Ortiz and Manny are best friends.

5.f*** the trade

 

Make sure you don't tie up your phone line. With analysis like that, ESPN will be calling soon to offer you the job of replacing Peter Gammons.

 

It's completely silly to say that Manny made Ortiz. You have absolutely no hard evidence to back it up. Ortiz is a professional and will continue to be one even if Manny is granted his request for a trade. Best friends? When is the last time you asked to leave the same town your best friend was in?

[MC Hammer]

Everybody here is way too attached to Manny and Bronson to see the logic here. If this was as bad of a deal as you folks are saying, then why did the Mets turn it down.

 

Benson? Not worthy of being in the Red Sox rotation? He has a better ERA, WHIP and BAA than ANY of our starters. And it's not even by a slight margin. He's a run better a game than anyone we have. He's signed for $10m less than Pavano and for one less year.

 

Looper would come in and have the second best ERA on the team behind Timlin and the second best BAA against behind Myers.

 

With Schilling and Foulke healthy this would give us:

Starters:

Schilling

Benson

Wells

Clement

Wakefield

 

Bullpen:

Arroyo

Bradford

Myers

Timlin

Looper

Foulke

 

This is a significantly better starting rotation and bullpen. Plus we'd have an above avg fielding outfielder.

 

I say the only sticking point here is the prospects involved. But since Tampa Bay has the most to gain in this situation perhaps they are willing to make some concessions and take lesser prospects from the Mets and perhaps someone other than Sanchez from the Sox. Even if we have to give up Sanchez, I still think this helps us. It gives us a team that we can win the World Series with THIS year, plus a significant amount of savings further on down the road.

 

Edit: Fixed a typo.

 

Right until Benson gets hurt again. Then you have $5,333,333 a year down the tubes. Trust me I watched Kris for a few years. He has peaks and valleys. When he's at his best he's one of the better pitchers in the league, but eventually he'll turn back into the real Kris Benson and not get out of the 3rd inning in a few games in a row. I don't care what you have to say about Kris Benson. You do not want him on your pitching staff period.

[Roberte77]

That trade is so bad that Theo would have to smoke all the crack in the country before making it. I really like Huff and wanted the Sox to get him last year, but come on. Cameron, and Huff aren't nearly enough for a sure fire HOF with a few good years still left in him. If we're moving Manny I was atleast 2 guys who can help us now and atleast 2 top prospects. I don't understand how we would only get 2 mediocre players for one of the best hitters in the game.

Totally agree. Manny alone is at least worth Huff and Baez. I see what Tampa is putting in and getting out of this trade, but I don't see what the Mets are giving up in order to get the best two players in this deal. I think the Mets had better ante up something else, like a good relief pitcher - oh yeah, don't have any.

 

I may have gone for the trade if the Mets gave the Red Sox 3B David Wright and the Sox got huff or Cameron also.

[boomer]

Make sure you don't tie up your phone line. With analysis like that, ESPN will be calling soon to offer you the job of replacing Peter Gammons.

 

It's completely silly to say that Manny made Ortiz. You have absolutely no hard evidence to back it up. Ortiz is a professional and will continue to be one even if Manny is granted his request for a trade. Best friends? When is the last time you asked to leave the same town your best friend was in?

 

Can you tell me what Ortiz was hitting in Minnestoda?

[Roberte77]

A very bad joke. Manny alone is worth Huff and Cameron. The Mets are trying to steal the Red Sox blind.

[redsoxlover24]

oh god I dont even want to think about what I would do if they trade Manny.

News flash Manny your not going to get privacy anywhere you go your Manny.

[Tek4pres]

Can you tell me what Ortiz was hitting in Minnestoda?

 

The fact that Ortiz has improved does not prove your point that Manny made David Ortiz. He might have spoken to him about certain aspects of hitting, but there are many other guys in the clubhouse and organization who probably have had the same conversations with Ortiz including Ron Jackson the Red Sox hitting coach who I think would also get a lot of credit for working with Ortiz. So giving the trade that he asked for is not going to suddenly turn Ortiz into the same guy he was in Minnesota.

 

And by the way, it's M-I-N-N-E-S-O-T-A not MinnesTODA. Buy an atlas.

[26 to 6]

Giving up prospects is certainly not something I can conceive of doing to get Cameron and Huff. Especially since one of them would only end up being a back up once Nixon comes back unless he moves back to the infield. Plus Cameron has been upset in NY since he had to move out of center so it doesn't make sense to me to take him on here to play left (though I assume giving his skills in the field he'd probably end up being the regular right fielder and we'd move Nixon to left.

 

However, one thing that we have to consider is that Ramirez is a bad contract and getting rid of a bad contract is always going to yield less than you would trading the same caliber player who makes less. The Red Sox won't get a top prospect back in return. If you think David Wright will be in a Red Sox uniform anytime soon, you will be vastly disappointed. The best thing we can do is to take on players that can help us win, but who don't have a lot of money owed to them. Cameron's deal expires after this season with a club option for 2006 and Huff's deal runs through 2006. Neither are very bad contracts, both might benefit from a change of scenery. Minus the prospects, I think this is the kind of deal you have to expect for Manny.

 

The real benefits of any deal we make involving Manny won't show up until after the season when we have more money to go out and sign a Burnett or a reliever like Cliff Politte or Scot Shields

any chance of Damon moving to left and having Cam play Center?? I remember Damon played left in KC and Oakland, so its just a suggestion. Or maybe move him to right, with all the room in the fenway RF, the right fielder needs a CFers range.

 

This is a HUGE deal for the Mets if it happens. Not too bad I dont think for the Sox, not as bad as you guys are making it out to be, you get 2 good bats (Cam has been pretty good on offense this year for the Mets) and a gold glove outfielder to replace Manny. Then when Trot returns, you get a lethal bat off the bench. Agreed I dont think it would be in the Sox' best interest to give up 2 prospects, depending on who they are. Ken Rosenthal of the Sporting News seems to think that a trade will happen between the Sox and Mets involving Manny either before the deadline or in the winter.

 

Also, while yes, Cam was very disgruntled about playing right (something he offered to do in the offseason if the Mets aquired Beltran), he has sort of warmed up to it, while do doubt he still prefers CF, hes not making as big a deal of the whole situation anymore.

[26 to 6]

oh god I dont even want to think about what I would do if they trade Manny.

News flash Manny your not going to get privacy anywhere you go your Manny.

yea but he'll get more love and respect in his hometown...and he'll be reunited with Pedro. So that kinda makes it worthwhile

[Tek4pres]

Right until Benson gets hurt again. Then you have $5,333,333 a year down the tubes. Trust me I watched Kris for a few years. He has peaks and valleys. When he's at his best he's one of the better pitchers in the league, but eventually he'll turn back into the real Kris Benson and not get out of the 3rd inning in a few games in a row. I don't care what you have to say about Kris Benson. You do not want him on your pitching staff period.

 

And if Manny got hurt you'd have $20m a year down the tubes. Injuries are always something you have to worry about. But if Benson gets hurt for a year, that $5.3m is a relatively low figure, equivalent to about 1/20 your 25 man payroll. If Manny got hurt, 1/5 of the teams payroll would be paying for him to rest his hamstrings.

 

All I'm saying is that right now Kris Benson is having a better season than anyone on our staff. He doesn't have to be the best pitcher in the league, but if we didn't have Manny, we'd have more money to go get the best pitcher in the league.

 

Look, I love Manny too. I really do. I was thrilled to get him and still remember driving around listening to all the callers on WEEI giggling like school girls that we'd signed him. But if he doesn't want to play here, I certainly don't mind us getting three usable, comparatively cheap players in return. It restores a much needed balance back to the payroll and will pay dividends down the road. It puts us in position to have the resources and flexibility to become the best team in the league year in and year out for quite sometime.

[MC Hammer]

And if Manny got hurt you'd have $20m a year down the tubes. Injuries are always something you have to worry about. But if Benson gets hurt for a year, that $5.3m is a relatively low figure, equivalent to about 1/20 your 25 man payroll. If Manny got hurt, 1/5 of the teams payroll would be paying for him to rest his hamstrings.

 

All I'm saying is that right now Kris Benson is having a better season than anyone on our staff. He doesn't have to be the best pitcher in the league, but if we didn't have Manny, we'd have more money to go get the best pitcher in the league.

 

Look, I love Manny too. I really do. I was thrilled to get him and still remember driving around listening to all the callers on WEEI giggling like school girls that we'd signed him. But if he doesn't want to play here, I certainly don't mind us getting three usable, comparatively cheap players in return. It restores a much needed balance back to the payroll and will pay dividends down the road. It puts us in position to have the resources and flexibility to become the best team in the league year in and year out for quite sometime.

 

Right but Manny doesn't have a history of being injury prone. Benson came up through the Pirates system which means he's going to have arm problems throughout his career (see Jason Schmidt, Oliver Perez, Kip Wells, John Lieber, etc). I'm done talking about him unless he winds up on the staff ... in which case I may kill myself.

[yankeessuck013]

DO NOW DO THIS TRADE!!!! end of story

[26 to 6]

I doubt anything will happen as it has appearantly fallen through, but it would have been nice to see Manny in Queens.

[Sox fan in Tex]

This trade MAY not happen, but I wrote a little bit about it including showing Cameron and Huff's numbers over the last three years and over their careers if you're interested:

 

http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=drew_2k7

[yeszir]

As for the manny boos: it was 75% cheering madly and 25% booing him. Most people seemed to be pro-Manny at tonight's game.

[RedSoxRooter]

Manny money costing Mets

 

$64 million owed Ramirez kills 3-way deal

 

BY ADAM RUBIN AND BILL MADDEN

DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITERS

 

HOUSTON - A blockbuster three-team trade that would have landed Manny Ramirez in Flushing was ultimately nixed by the Mets last night because they would have had to inherit the remaining $64 million on the moody Red Sox slugger's contract.

 

The trade, which was actively discussed all day yesterday, would have sent Ramirez along with Tampa Bay closer Danys Baez to the Mets, with Braden Looper, Mike Cameron and Tampa Bay lefty slugger Aubrey Huff going to the Red Sox.

 

The Devil Rays then were to get Red Sox pitching prospect Anibal Sanchez and a top prospect from the Mets, believed to be Lastings Milledge.

 

"This deal was very close to happening," a high-placed baseball source familiar with the negotiations told the Daily News last night. "When you think about it, despite Manny's money, it's unbelievable the Mets would back out of this. It would've gotten them into the playoffs and been a bonanza for their TV network next year."

 

Because of all of those potential upsides for the Mets, there was a chance the deal might yet be revived, although a Boston source told The News that the Red Sox were not prepared to pay any of the money owed Ramirez.

 

Ramirez will be a 10/5 player after this year - 10 years in the majors, five with one team - and will have veto power on trades after this season. He entered the weekend atop the American League in homers (28) and RBI (92), but recently requested a trade, citing privacy issues, according to reports out of Boston.

 

With the nonwaiver trading deadline arriving at 4 p.m. tomorrow, the Mets have been searching for a big bat to add to the lineup as well as bullpen help, both of which would be addressed. The 27-year-old Baez, the Rays' closer, has a 5-3 record, 19 saves and a 3.18 ERA.

 

On other fronts, one Mets official described the chances of landing Rangers second baseman Alfonso Soriano as a "super longshot." Recent discussions also have been held with the Pirates about closer Jose Mesa and first baseman Daryle Ward, for prospects that could include Double-A catcher Mike Jacobs or reliever Matt Lindstrom, an NL source said, but those talks have been casual because the Mets haven't determined the direction they want to go.

 

Omar Minaya, on a conference call with reporters before yesterday's Mets-Astros game, didn't assign any odds to the Mets making an acquisition - major or minor.

 

"Hey guys, if you're talking, you have a chance to get something done," Minaya said. "I will tell you that my staff, we are working together here, and we plan to stay on the phones all the way through the end of the trading deadline.

 

"I'm open to anything, but I will tell you what we acquire has to be better than what we have right now. Our club is a funny team. Our club can play very good at times and can go out and play like the first two games in Colorado (when the Mets mustered six combined runs in two losses at the hitter-friendly park). I think it's fair to say we've got to get more offense and we have to try to improve the pitching, meaning the bullpen in general."

 

Minaya said the Mets, like other buyers, are somewhat hamstrung by the lack of difference-makers on the market. "The reality is, I think you guys have seen with this market for a while now, is really there's not much out there that makes a big difference or impact," Minaya said.

 

In his four full seasons with the Red Sox, Ramirez averaged .321 with 39 home runs and 117 RBI. And while his erratic fielding has often forced the Red Sox to go with defensive replacements late in games, he also was the only Sox player to receive a standing ovation at Fenway Park last year for a fielding play, a brilliant diving catch down the line.

 

Last year was his best with Boston, when he helped the Sox win their first championship in 86 years. He batted .308 with 43 home runs and 130 RBI and was named World Series MVP after he hit .412 against the Cardinals.

 

Willie Randolph, said earlier in the day there would be no issues keeping him in line.

 

"If Manny were playing with me, that'd be fine," the manager said. "Just like Pedro is fine."

[yankeessuck013]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2119978

 

another reason the deal is dead is because the red sox wanted more than just cameron from the mets. thank god! common sense prevails.

[bigpapi349]

theres still a chance that he could be traded. their reportedly talking to several teams about him.

[bigpapi349]

but thank god this crappy trade wont happen. the only trade i would agree to is Manny (maybe even shoppach and anibal) for albert pujols.

[soxie thefangirl]

I really hope to God he gets traded. He's quickly turned into the Nomar of last year and is becoming somewhat of a cancer to this team.

[RedSoxRooter]

I really hope to God he gets traded. He's quickly turned into the Nomar of last year and is becoming somewhat of a cancer to this team.

This has to be the dumbest thing I've read on this board in a long time. The biggest cancer to this team is it's stupid fans.

 

Nomar was hurt last year and Manny's having another MVP type year. What the hell is wrong with you people? ughghghghgggggg

[Tek4pres]

This has to be the dumbest thing I've read on this board in a long time. The biggest cancer to this team is it's stupid fans.

 

Nomar was hurt last year and Manny's having another MVP type year. What the hell is wrong with you people? ughghghghgggggg

 

No one can argue with you about his hitting stats, and I don't think he (or Nomar) were ever a cancer to the team. But baseball is a team sport and Manny does a lot for the team at the plate, but Manny's behaivor can't always be that popular in the clubhouse. This regime has paid extra attention to bringing in players with exceptional character and professionalism so I don't ever imagine you would hear them trashing Manny. But I wouldn't be surprised if Manny's begging out of games, wearing mp3 players in the field and frequent request for trades has worn thin with a number of the Red Sox regulars.

 

I have said before that I don't want to see Manny go, but if he's already requested a trade and we can get a number of pieces back from wherever he goes, then I'm alright with it. Everyone knows we need a pitcher in the bullpen. Would you rather we keep Manny and give up Billy Mueller for Romero? Getting rid of Manny has the best potential of any of the deals I've heard to bring us what we need to compete this year and several years down the line.

[riverside sluggers]

it has been confirmed, he has asked to be traded really each year since 2002

[RedSoxRooter]

Would you rather we keep Manny and give up Billy Mueller for Romero?

I hate to say it but, yeah. I mean, Mueller is probably my personal fav on the team, but that move just makes more sense if you ask me. I wouldn't be happy to see Mueller go, but...

 

We need pitching

We have Youk for 3rd

We need a lefty in the pen

 

and until this morning, I didn't know this tid bit.

"The 29-year-old lefthander arrived for this weekend's series in Boston having faced 469 lefthanded hitters during the last four seasons, and Romero had allowed an extra-base hit only 11 times. Only four times had he allowed a home run. Really."

 

I really don't want to break up the whole Manny/Ortiz thing either. Who'll give Papi anything to hit with Olerude or Cameron or Huff hitting behind him??

[ORS]

The Mueller trade may be more damaging than a Manny trade would be off the field. Trading Manny is addition by subtraction off the field. Mueller is the opposite. Several players have already publicly said that trading Billy Mill will not be well received in the clubhouse.

[DrewDaGreat]

The Mueller trade may be more damaging than a Manny trade would be off the field. Trading Manny is addition by subtraction off the field. Mueller is the opposite. Several players have already publicly said that trading Billy Mill will not be well received in the clubhouse.

 

Most of Manny's teammates in the clubhouse love him...how do you guys not understand this?

 

You know what this trade would do? Guarentee that'd we'd miss the playoffs - that's all.

[ORS]

I don't want any Manny trade to go down, but I don't want to rock the boat by trading a "team first" player and clutch hitter like Bill Mueller either.

[Tek4pres]

Most of Manny's teammates in the clubhouse love him...how do you guys not understand this?

 

You know what this trade would do? Guarentee that'd we'd miss the playoffs - that's all.

 

And my same response to most of these kinds of posts, how in the world do you know what most of the players on the Red Sox think? You may cite a few newspaper articles with a quote from Ortiz or Millar. But Millar was also the same person who was publicly drooling over playing with A-Rod in a deal that would have sent Manny to the Rangers. Most of the rest of the players are professional enough not to say anything negative about a teammate. Though I can't picture a player like Schilling being thrilled with the fact that his teammate can't give up his day off when a teammate is hurt (especially when he would have had a day off the following day to rest whatever hamstring troubles he has.)

 

So please, anyone who wants to put up another "But everyone loves Manny" post better have quotes from a majority of his teammates saying that they'd hate to see him go. Either that or they better work in the Red Sox clubhouse.

[Sox fan in Tex]

As for the manny boos: it was 75% cheering madly and 25% booing him. Most people seemed to be pro-Manny at tonight's game.

 

Hmm.... NESN described it as fairly even, but the boo's slightly outnumbered the cheers. So yeszir, were you part of the cheers or boo's?

[DrewDaGreat]

And my same response to most of these kinds of posts, how in the world do you know what most of the players on the Red Sox think? You may cite a few newspaper articles with a quote from Ortiz or Millar. But Millar was also the same person who was publicly drooling over playing with A-Rod in a deal that would have sent Manny to the Rangers. Most of the rest of the players are professional enough not to say anything negative about a teammate. Though I can't picture a player like Schilling being thrilled with the fact that his teammate can't give up his day off when a teammate is hurt (especially when he would have had a day off the following day to rest whatever hamstring troubles he has.)

 

So please, anyone who wants to put up another "But everyone loves Manny" post better have quotes from a majority of his teammates saying that they'd hate to see him go. Either that or they better work in the Red Sox clubhouse.

 

But, the everyone hates him things can continue without quotes.