Giambi's Mysterious Power Surge

[MC Hammer]

I'm so glad Eckersley (employee of the Red Sox) has something bad to suspect about a Yankee (rival of the Red Sox) while working on NESN (owned by the Red Sox). Also, someone let me know when Eck stops hanging out at gay bars and cuts off his "remember me, I was an athlete all the way back when this was cool" mustache.

How can any Yankee fan make fun of hair styles after adding "gee is it still the 80's" Mullet Man Randy Johnson? And trust me he'd still have it if it wasn't for George's rules.

[ARod2212]

Once you can come up with an actual way in which he can gain muscle during a season, playing practically every day, then this thread will die. But he's gained muscle during the regular season -- which is impossible to do without aid.

Or working out.

 

 

What muscles stop growing from April to October? Like I said he lost a lot of weight from the tumor and parasite and began working out to get it back.

 

Case and point, Barry Bonds is still just as big as he's always been. He's been off steroids and hasn't lost weight. The only way you start losing muscle after stopping steroids is no longer working out, and Jason is still keeping in shape.

[MC Hammer]

Or working out.

 

 

What muscles stop growing from April to October? Like I said he lost a lot of weight from the tumor and parasite and began working out to get it back.

 

Case and point, Barry Bonds is still just as big as he's always been. He's been off steroids and hasn't lost weight. The only way you start losing muscle after stopping steroids is no longer working out, and Jason is still keeping in shape.

But the thing is that he has gotten bigger since the season has started. Now, if he came out huge game one then I could possibly buy that, but he didn't. It hasn't just been said by DE, but by other baseball minds ... including, I believe, the afformentioned John Kruk, that you cannot add size during the season legally.

[ORS]

Kruk managed to add size during the season, just not the kind you want.

 

In my experience, that is completely false. When I was in the Marines we would run 3-5 miles and do 20-30 minutes of callisthenics every morning, then we would go to the pool and swim 1500-2000 meters after lunch, then go to the gym after we got off for the day. I managed to gain significant size and weight during that time despite the calories burned (which I'm sure were substantially larger than playing a baseball game) during our daily routine.

 

It was mentioned on the ESPN broadcast of Friday night's game that ARod has taken Cano under his wing and they spend 1-2 hours in the gym following the game 5 nights a week. If you take that approach and workout hard (and eat enough to support it), then you will gain size and weight during the season.

 

P.S. to ARod2212: Generally, when a person loses a lot of weight, some of the weight gained by working out is consumed by the body. But, yes, any trained muscle retained will gain strength quicker.

[ARod2212]

Now I can stop going to this thread, because that post was exactly what I was looking to see. Thanks Red.

[See Red]

Oky... so why do past players and team trainers say it's impossible to do? Or do they not know what they're talking about?

[ORS]

Oky... so why do past players and team trainers say it's impossible to do? Or do they not know what they're talking about?

I don't know why they say it, I was just relaying my experience. Perhaps they have an axe to grind.

[See Red]

Yeah, I didn't mean that as a smart ass remark towards you, and I appologize if it came off that way.

 

I wouldn't know, in terms of baseball, but when I played football, it was the same way with me as I've heard it is with baseball from trainers and past players. Game day workouts are light, certainly nothing that can build muscle -- and practically every day is a gameday in baseball.

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Sosa has never admitted to taking steroids in the past. Giambi has. If Sosa were on steroids and providing them to Roberts then Sosa wouldn't would not have hit .220 with 15 HR in 2005. No, neither one of them is taking steroids.

 

The fact is that no player in the history of baseball has been so bad at the beginning of the year as Giambi then had such a strong July. Then a "slump" just when the steroid talk was growing rampant about him, and now that the "Giambi back on steroids" talk dies down, he starts hitting again.

 

Just seems a little suspicious. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

yo shut up. Worry about your team's steroid problems.

 

And by the way, what happened after July and before he started hitting again is called a SLUMP...Oriole fans should know plenty about that

 

I think the fact that he had the biggest turn around in the history of baseball is all the evidence I need. Then as soon as people started talking about him using steroids again he had a slump ... then the second they stopped bringing his name up he caught fire again. Look after you do something once people will always be suspicious of you. I'm not just talking about baseball ... it's the same in all aspects of life.

So you're saying that players that have used steroids in the past are not allowed to have comebacks? Are you also saying that players who have used steroids are not entitled to a slump? The way I see it, he has passed every test given to him. No man could be stupid enough to use if he were in Giambi's position.

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Right just shut up about it. Forget about it. Just look the other way like everyone did two years ago when Giambi hit two HRs in game 7 of the ALCS, which later turned out to be steorid induced.

thats not necessarily true. He testified that he used in 2003, but he never said if he did it around the playoffs. Probably, but its not definate, and until it is dont say it. He's not Rafeal Palmeioro who got his 3000th hit on steroids.

 

I mean cmon even one of the greatest relievers in MLB history has called in question Giambi, so its not just us here...

Yea, because Eck the Alcoholic is the perfect f***in person and can go and poitn his fingers at people. Whose to say Eck didnt use. He wasnt that good until he moved to the pen, just a sub-par starter before that. And he was in Oakland when he began to flourish (like Giambi), so maybe we should be talking about the Hall of Famer here too

 

....now I know reading the above probably didnt appeal to you guys, well thats how we fell about all this Giambi talk

 

I have to keep reminding you Yankee fans that this is talkSOX ... not talkfags

Arent they the same thing?

 

He used steroids before ... thats all the basis for an argument you need

So you're saying that if somebody has done something bad/illegal in the past that he or she is guaranteed to still do it. Every person who has ever sipped alcohol is an alcoholic? every person who has ever smoked weed has a drug problem? etc..

 

Why cant anybody accept the fact that he has defied the odds and is back on track doing what he is being paid for??

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How can any Yankee fan make fun of hair styles after adding "gee is it still the 80's" Mullet Man Randy Johnson? And trust me he'd still have it if it wasn't for George's rules.

umm...sorry pal, Randy hasnt had a mullet since early in his Arizona career. The last few years his hair has been similar to what it is now.

[See Red]

So you're saying that players that have used steroids in the past are not allowed to have comebacks? Are you also saying that players who have used steroids are not entitled to a slump? The way I see it, he has passed every test given to him. No man could be stupid enough to use if he were in Giambi's position.

 

If he was stupid enough to use them once, he's stupid enough to do them again.

 

And newsflash, even when Giambi had originally been using steroids, he never would've tested positive... so really, what does that prove? Giambi got his steroids from BALCO, a company that had been giving out designer steroids -- steroids designed to be undetectable.

 

And what steroids he didn't get from BALCO -- it was HGH, which is also undetectable by the steroids tests the MLB does.

 

Why wouldn't he do it if he knew he couldn't get caught? Like I said, he did them once before when he knew he couldn't get caught, by MLB, anyway, so why wouldn't he do them? He's got an inferiority complex... he always has. That alone is enough to make a man do something like steroids.

[ARod2212]

Another reason this has gone on for 23 pages is everyone is repeating the same garbage over and over, on both sides. Where's the new material?

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If he was stupid enough to use them once, he's stupid enough to do them again.

 

And newsflash, even when Giambi had originally been using steroids, he never would've tested positive... so really, what does that prove? Giambi got his steroids from BALCO, a company that had been giving out designer steroids -- steroids designed to be undetectable.

 

And what steroids he didn't get from BALCO -- it was HGH, which is also undetectable by the steroids tests the MLB does.

 

Why wouldn't he do it if he knew he couldn't get caught? Like I said, he did them once before when he knew he couldn't get caught, by MLB, anyway, so why wouldn't he do them? He's got an inferiority complex... he always has. That alone is enough to make a man do something like steroids.

he would be stupid to even consider it and risking getting caught. He would lose his contract, and nobody would ever sign him again, he would have to retire or go play in Japan or something. Plus Jason is a sensitive guy who likes to be liked, he wouldnt exactly be liked if he was doing steroids again. The way I see it, hes innocent until proven guilty. But if he tests positive or it is revealed that he is using again, I will be right along with you guys in the Giambi-bashing marathon that would be taking place.

[See Red]

But was he liked when he was hitting so poorly the Yankees were going to send him to the Minor Leagues? Not at all.

[MC Hammer]

So you're saying that if somebody has done something bad/illegal in the past that he or she is guaranteed to still do it. Every person who has ever sipped alcohol is an alcoholic? every person who has ever smoked weed has a drug problem? etc..

 

Why cant anybody accept the fact that he has defied the odds and is back on track doing what he is being paid for??

 

No I didn't say anyone that has done something before is automatically convicted of doing it again. What I ment was that doing it once opens speculation that he could do it again. This is why we have drug rehab in this country, because most drug users will go back to their drug of choice in a time of need, and Giambi was definatly in that time of need. I can't imagine him wanting to go get booed by AAA fans so you could draw the conclusions that he started using again to avoid that.

 

We can't accept that he defied the odds becasue he lied to us before ... he cheated us before, and we refuse to let those two things happen again. We all turned a blind eye to steroid use in the past but that time is over.

 

If it walks like a duck and sounds like a duck ...

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But was he liked when he was hitting so poorly the Yankees were going to send him to the Minor Leagues? Not at all.

that is an extremely good point, but the wrath you get when you get caught using steroids again and the wrath you get when you SUCK are completely different.

[26 to 6]

No I didn't say anyone that has done something before is automatically convicted of doing it again. What I ment was that doing it once opens speculation that he could do it again. This is why we have drug rehab in this country, because most drug users will go back to their drug of choice in a time of need, and Giambi was definatly in that time of need. I can't imagine him wanting to go get booed by AAA fans so you could draw the conclusions that he started using again to avoid that.

 

We can't accept that he defied the odds becasue he lied to us before ... he cheated us before, and we refuse to let those two things happen again. We all turned a blind eye to steroid use in the past but that time is over.

 

If it walks like a duck and sounds like a duck ...

I understand all of your points, and all fo you guys are entitled to your opinion about Jason, but Its not fair. Nobody can prove that he is doing anything wrong.

 

What if you were blamed for a murder you didnt commit, but a lot of the evidence points to you. But you DID NOT do it. That wouldnt be fair.

..But hey if it walks like a duck, and it sounds like a duck, right?

[MC Hammer]

I understand all of your points, and all fo you guys are entitled to your opinion about Jason, but Its not fair. Nobody can prove that he is doing anything wrong.

 

What if you were blamed for a murder you didnt commit, but a lot of the evidence points to you. But you DID NOT do it. That wouldnt be fair.

..But hey if it walks like a duck, and it sounds like a duck, right?

Did I commit a murder before this one? Because if not it's not a valid analogy.

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Did I commit a murder before this one? Because if not it's not a valid analogy.

yes but its still being accused of something you didnt do, with evidence (whatever it may be, im not going to go crazy with specifics) pointing to you being guilty. People who have a history of being murderers arent the only people who get blamed for murder.

 

And you can compare this Giambi situation with a murderer, who did his time, who is accused of another murder he didnt commit. Its not fair.

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lets drop the murder analogy, its pretty stupid.

 

It would be nice if we could drop this subject because its starting to become a headache

[Cityofchampions33]

There's an article about this in the Herald today, about how he could take HGH and not get caught cuz MLB doesn't test blood.

[ARod2212]

Who cares, if you can't prove it then what is the use of accusing?

[CrespoBlows]

Who cares period?

 

You don't play the game, and unless he somehow cheated you, why the do you care?

[ORS]

lets drop the murder analogy, its pretty stupid.

 

It would be nice if we could drop this subject because its starting to become a headache

You can drop it by choosing not to read it. The more you reply, the longer the thread lasts. If you simply must read and reply, then one must assume the term "drop it" means "see it my way" for you.

[26 to 6]

You can drop it by choosing not to read it. The more you reply, the longer the thread lasts. If you simply must read and reply, then one must assume the term "drop it" means "see it my way" for you.

oh please, now you're just twisting things around.

[ORS]

If you are tired of the topic, why reply? I'm not saying the topic has merit, but I am curious why someone who is fed up with a topic continues it's propagation.

[See Red]

Who cares, if you can't prove it then what is the use of accusing?

 

So we should turn a blind eye towards players using HGH because we can't prove they're doing it? Doesn't give players much reason to play fair, does it?

[ARod2212]

So we should turn a blind eye towards players using HGH because we can't prove they're doing it? Doesn't give players much reason to play fair, does it?

Well if we can't prove anything then what is the point of accusing?

 

I'm not saying we should turn a blind eye, in fact I think we should increase testing 10-fold. However, until we do that it is entirely unfair to be accusing hot/cold players of steroids, regardless of history, until you have got some proof.

[See Red]

Well if we can't prove anything then what is the point of accusing?

 

I'm not saying we should turn a blind eye, in fact I think we should increase testing 10-fold. However, until we do that it is entirely unfair to be accusing hot/cold players of steroids, regardless of history, until you have got some proof.

 

No... that's saying we should turn a blind eye because we can't prove anything anyway -- if we're not supposed to ignore these facts, and how what he's done is awfully suspicious, what else is their to do but suggest that someone may be using them, especially when one's season has gone the way of Jason Giambi's? You don't go from possible Triple A player to MVP form in the matter of months let alone to do it in the span of one month as he did.