Giambi's Mysterious Power Surge

[MC Hammer]

Economics is a branch of social science that deals with the consumption, distribution, and production of goods (Webster), Adam Smith theorized the Wealth of Nations which theorized modern day economics.

 

There's a big difference between economics in which we use it, and the way baseball uses it. Hammer, I will make my points with more civility from now on.

 

Continuing, I guess you could say that in baseball, it would not make much of an economical sense for a baseball team to give Jason Giambi who will be 37 when is contract expires in three years. I can't find a precedence in which a ball player gets a big contract at such a late age.

 

As for leaping off the roof theory, if he did it the first time, what makes you believe he'd do it again. I can imagine after Giambi was diagonsed with a tumor, and was told by doctors, that this may be life threating, and you may put yourself at an even greater risk if you are to put any more steriods into your body. Just imagine hearing that, and you're single. But Giambi has a wife, and she hears that, do you think Giambi is going to want to put her through that? Sure, some ball players are arrogant, pompous *******s like Barry Bonds, but Giambi isn't that kind of guy. He wants everyone to like him, he was the clubhouse leader in Oakland, I seriously doubt he'd put the people he cares about in that kind of position again.

 

You can say all you want the Giambi is on steriods, and after he went on that HR binge, don't you think Bud Selig raised an eyebrow? That's probably why Giambi has been tested, at least once.

 

See you're proving my points again. Giambi already has the money. The only think he cares about now is winning the fans over. Everyone knows Giambi is very thin skinned and he really does care what the fans think about him. You don't think getting booed every time he came to the plate f***ed with his head a little. You don't think he wanted to reclaim his glory and be loved again by the fans? By the clubhouse? You said he wants to be a leader again ... what better way to get there than the way you did the first time ... steroids.

 

Bud can raise his eyebrows up and down for the next 4 years ... it doesn't matter. He can't single out Giambi and just test him because of his numbers.

 

I'm done with this topic as I'm done talking about something that really doesn't matter at all. No matter if he tests positive or not, he'll be sitting at home in October, and thats all that matters.

[bobby jr]

The Giambi speculation jis no longer just on talk radio and the baseball forums, it is now getting major press copy:

 

An excellent article:

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/st...6p-286196c.html

 

"The truth is, he should want to be tested all the time, as a way of convincing people that he is clean. But even if that happened, he would still be a suspect, because there will be enough people who will not believe him when he says this is only about hard work, who will believe instead that Giambi is taking some kind of human growth hormone that shows up only in blood tests, which baseball is not allowed to administer. Or that he is ahead of the curve with some sort of new designer steroid that is undetectable in urine tests, this year's version of hGH, the last designer steroid that was supposed to rock everybody's world.

 

Even Giambi has to understand that he is expecting us to take an awful lot on faith these days, starting with this: Without any medical help, without trips to the chemist, he looks exactly the same and hits exactly the same as he was when he was on the juice, when he was the kind of slugging MVP guy who could eventually command $120 million from the Yankees.

 

After the news about Rafael Palmeiro hit this week like a force-five baseball hurricane, Giambi was asked about suspicions still directed at him.

 

"I really don't care, to be honest with you," he told reporters in Cleveland.

 

Then he said, "If somebody wants to shortchange (his offensive production over the last month or so), that's their problem, not mine."

 

He ought to care. And it is his problem. Maybe it would be different if Giambi had ever answered one question honestly about steroid use...."

[Yankydave]

obsession

(noun) 1 : a persistent disturbing preoccupation with an often unreasonable idea or feeling; broadly : compelling motivation ; 2 : something that causes an obsession

[CrespoBlows]

See you're proving my points again. Giambi already has the money. The only think he cares about now is winning the fans over. Everyone knows Giambi is very thin skinned and he really does care what the fans think about him. You don't think getting booed every time he came to the plate f***ed with his head a little. You don't think he wanted to reclaim his glory and be loved again by the fans? By the clubhouse? You said he wants to be a leader again ... what better way to get there than the way you did the first time ... steroids.

 

Bud can raise his eyebrows up and down for the next 4 years ... it doesn't matter. He can't single out Giambi and just test him because of his numbers.

 

I'm done with this topic as I'm done talking about something that really doesn't matter at all. No matter if he tests positive or not, he'll be sitting at home in October, and thats all that matters.

 

If that were the case, he'd be on the juice back in '03, when his average started to decline. The fans began to grumble when he sat game 5 of the WS. I made the point that he wouldn't take the roids to protect his family, your point is that he would take them so the fans would love him. Two Different Cases! Don't call me a moron, if you just throw words into people's mouths, because frankly that is moronic.

[bobby jr]

obsession

(noun) 1 : a persistent disturbing preoccupation with an often unreasonable idea or feeling; broadly : compelling motivation ; 2 : something that causes an obsession

 

Is that what you as a Yankee fan have about me, an Oriole fan? It would seem so, the way you follow me around from forum to forum.

[26 to 6]

Im tired of this subject. Im tired of Jason taking all this heat from people. Yea, he's had a great July and August so far, but lets look at other players...Derek Lee. How come nobody points their fingers at him, hes having an MVP year, granted he was always a oretty good player, but he was never this good. How about Pujols, since his rookie year hes just been on fire, what player has EVER had he type of first 5 years that Albert has. (btw, regardless of his listed age, there is no doubt that this guy s at least 30 lol).

 

And how come people only get on the steroid users/former steroid users who are doing good. I hear very little people getting on the likes of Wilson Alvarez, Tony Saunders, Craig Biggio, Ryan Franklin, Alex Sanchez, Jorge Piedra, Grant Roberts, etc.

[See Red]

Well, firstly, Lee's transformation didn't come in midseason. He didn't suddenly go on a tear. And the difference between the player he is now and the player he was isn't nearly as large as the difference with Giambi. Secondly, his success can be attributed to correcting his weakness -- so pitchers can no longer target that.

 

And Pujols? Was there any point in even bringing him up? He's just an amazing player. He didn't go from being a good player to a bad player because of steroids, and then suddenly begin to tear the league apart again.

[26 to 6]

Well, firstly, Lee's transformation didn't come in midseason. He didn't suddenly go on a tear. And the difference between the player he is now and the player he was isn't nearly as large as the difference with Giambi. Secondly, his success can be attributed to correcting his weakness -- so pitchers can no longer target that.

 

And Pujols? Was there any point in even bringing him up? He's just an amazing player. He didn't go from being a good player to a bad player because of steroids, and then suddenly begin to tear the league apart again.

well ya never know, a rookie comes up and puts up the numbers over a 5 year span that he does, he lies about his age so theres always the possibility....but anyways ur right, he is an amazing player.

[Yankydave]

Is that what you as a Yankee fan have about me, an Oriole fan? It would seem so, the way you follow me around from forum to forum.

 

No I just wanted to let everyone here know that you're a fraud. They need to know that you obsess over the Yankees. They need to know that you will crow when your team is up and concentrate on the Yankees when they fall in the crapper. They also need to know that you are the most intellectually dishonest person on the internet who will make vague claims and predictions, try to claim you were right all along if they come to fruition and run and hide from the many that do not. I consider it my good deed for the day.

 

Oh yeah, while I'm here, care to tell me who tested positive for steroids? Spin away jerkoff.

[schillingouttheks]

I don't think it's your job to sign up for an internet message board with the only intent to throw someone's reputation into the shitter. We can figure this out by ourselves, thanks.

[Yankydave]

Thanks, I'll do it anyways.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Albert Pujols is a little different. Does he do the juice? Anything is possible at this point but I have to lead toward "no". He doesn't shy away from questions but mostly..its his swing that is so incredible not his strength. Have you watched Albert swing??? You can't strike him out he covers the plate so well. He is all over the pitches and crowds the plate better than anyone in the league. He does have strength but when you hit as many balls and foul as many balls as he does...you are going to do well.

 

.....I think 26 to 6 is right though....he could be 30 years old.

 

Besides Giambi's size...whats with the grease hair

[YankeeDoodle]

No, please don't drag Pujols into this. If he did, I would be seriously disappointed; I saw a piece on how he advocates children with autism (he also has a step-daughter with the disorder), and he's seems like a very genuine and sincere person.

 

Uhh...you'd really think that a major league player would get away with lying about his age? Especially with how high-profile the Yankees are? When that little league fraud got exposed, I doubt Giambi, or anyone, would get away with lying about his age. And even if he did, performance will tell.

 

He can hit Rodriguez up for a personal hairdresser, wow, attentive, much?

[soxie thefangirl]

Not saying that Pujols is a liar, or anything, but Palmiero also seemed like quite the genuine guy to the majority of the public.

[bobby jr]

No I just wanted to let everyone here know that you're a fraud. They need to know that you obsess over the Yankees. They need to know that you will crow when your team is up and concentrate on the Yankees when they fall in the crapper. They also need to know that you are the most intellectually dishonest person on the internet who will make vague claims and predictions, try to claim you were right all along if they come to fruition and run and hide from the many that do not. I consider it my good deed for the day.

 

Oh yeah, while I'm here, care to tell me who tested positive for steroids? Spin away jerkoff.

 

It is true that I don't want the Yankees and Steinbrenner to win, that I want the Orioles to win. Your other allegations are both false and immature, and you really have no place on this board if all you have to offer is absurd allegations and false references about what occurred on other discussion forums. Stick to the subject.

 

As for Palmeiro testing positive, yes he has. I wish he were suspended for the rest of th season, I don't want to win with a steroid user on the team. Now what about Sheffield ( I didn't know what I was taking) and Giambi, who were both tied to Balco? And people throughout baseball are questioning Giambi's power explosion and weight gain this year , which is highly suspicious to say the least considering his past history.

[riverside sluggers]

sorry dude, for the Baltimore Orioles its better luck next year

[soxie thefangirl]

yeah theyre done for this year.

[YankeeDoodle]

About Pujols: only player in MLB history to have 30+ HRs in his first five seasons.

 

Teammates, manager (and yes, it's La Russa, but still), all say that he's a great guy. It's been mentioned that Pujols is the one of the toughest outs because he's also *gasp*, smart. He makes observations, studies tape, and if a pitcher strikes him out the first time, he makes those adjustments that might yield a HR second time up.

[bobby jr]

Most likely the O's are not going to make the playoffs but I haven't completely given up. I recall in 1974 they were 8 games behind the Red Sox on August 30 and they also had to pass the Yankees and the Guardians, and they ended up winning the AL East.

 

I don't think the O's will catch the Red Sox this year but there is the Wild Card too. If the O's went on like a 10 game winning streak and kept playing like they did in April and May, well stranger things have happened.

[Yankydave]

It is true that I don't want the Yankees and Steinbrenner to win, that I want the Orioles to win. Your other allegations are both false and immature, and you really have no place on this board if all you have to offer is absurd allegations and false references about what occurred on other discussion forums. Stick to the subject.

 

As for Palmeiro testing positive, yes he has. I wish he were suspended for the rest of th season, I don't want to win with a steroid user on the team. Now what about Sheffield ( I didn't know what I was taking) and Giambi, who were both tied to Balco? And people throughout baseball are questioning Giambi's power explosion and weight gain this year , which is highly suspicious to say the least considering his past history.

 

There's the old spin from Jr. When an Oriole has failed a test and is suspended you try to turn to others who have not failed a test and who have not been suspended. No surprise they are Yankees too.

[yeszir]

There's the old spin from Jr. When an Oriole has failed a test and is suspended you try to turn to others who have not failed a test and who have not been suspended. No surprise they are Yankees too.

Go away. He makes a valid point.

[Yankydave]

Go away. He makes a valid point.

 

What's valid, his obfuscation? His deflecting? Or his obsession? How valid would it be if he was suspecting a Red Sox player? That's what I thought..........

[yeszir]

What's valid, his obfuscation? His deflecting? Or his obsession? How valid would it be if he was suspecting a Red Sox player? That's what I thought..........

What did you think, exactly?

 

If he was suspecting a Red Sox player, and his suspiscion was VALID, then I wouldn't necessarily object. Sheff's name has come up HUNDREDS of time in the Balco investigation, and Giambi has admitted to steroid use! There's no avoiding this fact.

 

You claim that he's the one deflecting and obsessing, when in reality this is a perfect description of you. He mentions Sheffield and Giambi? Psh, accuse him of shifting blame away from Palmeiro, even though he said he thought Palmeiro should be banned! Get a clue man.

[Yankydave]

Let me know when they test positive then, okay? Sheffield has had no weight loss or loss of power. I know he was involved in the Balco thing but there is nothing that shows he was using and stopped like there is for someone like Pudge, Beltre or Helton.

[yeszir]

Let me know when they test positive then, okay? Sheffield has had no weight loss or loss of power. I know he was involved in the Balco thing but there is nothing that shows he was using and stopped like there is for someone like Pudge, Beltre or Helton.

And as for Giambi.....?

[Yankydave]

He never tested positive. It is fine to suspect him but it is also ignoring that he had an enlarged pituitary gland that even one of the heads of the Olympic Anti-Doping agency said was unrelated to steroid use.

[yeszir]

He never tested positive. It is fine to suspect him but it is also ignoring that he had an enlarged pituitary gland that even one of the heads of the Olympic Anti-Doping agency said was unrelated to steroid use.

And as for his leaked testimony and all the general apologies?

[Yankydave]

I know he used in the past. I also know while he is not a Rhodes Scholar that he would be putting his life in danger by using now.

[26 to 6]

No, please don't drag Pujols into this. If he did, I would be seriously disappointed; I saw a piece on how he advocates children with autism (he also has a step-daughter with the disorder), and he's seems like a very genuine and sincere person.

 

Uhh...you'd really think that a major league player would get away with lying about his age? Especially with how high-profile the Yankees are? When that little league fraud got exposed, I doubt Giambi, or anyone, would get away with lying about his age. And even if he did, performance will tell.

 

He can hit Rodriguez up for a personal hairdresser, wow, attentive, much?

i thought it was children with Down, not autism. Could be wrong though

 

I wasnt on here trying to accuse Albert of using, i was simply saying that if you are going to accuse one person who is having success of using steroids (without proof might i add, and not to mention he passed the test), then you have to accuse everyone else, if not then just shutup.

 

 

Yankydave, how is he a fraud?...please explain, otherwise just leave because this is ridiculous tht you follow him around from forum to forum to antagonize him.

[26 to 6]

What did you think, exactly?

 

If he was suspecting a Red Sox player, and his suspiscion was VALID, then I wouldn't necessarily object. Sheff's name has come up HUNDREDS of time in the Balco investigation, and Giambi has admitted to steroid use! There's no avoiding this fact.

 

You claim that he's the one deflecting and obsessing, when in reality this is a perfect description of you. He mentions Sheffield and Giambi? Psh, accuse him of shifting blame away from Palmeiro, even though he said he thought Palmeiro should be banned! Get a clue man.

if a Yankee tested positive and I "shifted blame" to another player who i suspected of using, you would all be all over me.