The official Bellhorn thread

[soxie thefangirl]

Edgar does suck though. he has like a good week and 290842 bad weeks.

[sarasoxfan]

I agree and fortunately..Manny is definitely starting to go boom...

Orlando is barely hitting his weight I might point out, renteria will be fine.

It's a nice try to deflect the consistent and well desrved criticism of bellhorn to bring up the inconsitency of renteria. However, with yet another anemic night at the plate it really is becoming very clear that we need a a new second baseman, and bellhorn should be replaced. He sucks.

[soxie thefangirl]

They're not gonna trade for another 2nd baseman when he's one of the best out there, in comparison and is cheap. Especially when they have much bigger problems to worry about. They'll wait it out till one of the minor leaguers is available in 1 or 2 years. He's not a problem that's really affecting the performance of the team.

[CalvnHobs6]

Well I finally read through this entire thread, and I have a few thoughts...

a) Why not have Mueller play second, Youkilis at third, and Bellhorn on the bench. He'll be extremely valuable as a switch hitter off the bench, and he has a better chance of getting on than Ramon Vasquez. He may even be a better defensive replacement than Vasquez...even at shortstop...who knows.

Keep Bellhorn for the season regardless. Like RSR said, we pay him very little (actually, 2.75 mill, which is more than I thought). He's valuable.

c) Some current updated stats for argument's sake.

Mark's batting .249, ranked 18th among major league second basemen.

His OPS is .723, ranked 16th among second basemen.

His 71 Ks are ranked first among second basemen, his 34 walks are second.

But possibly the most revealing stat, considering he's a #9 hitter:

His OBP of .362 is ranked 7th.

 

Discuss.

[soxie thefangirl]

Once again. Bill Mueller can't play 2nd base 'cause he can't turn the DP well and 'cause of his knees. And he doesn't even like playing it. Bellhorn is the only person who can and will play 2nd base and he's pretty valuable considering he can and will play every position besides pitcher and catcher.

 

Great stats, though.

[Zenny]

As has been said numerous times before, Mueller at 2B isn't a long-term option. And by long-term, I mean more than one game. Bill's knees would be shot and we don't need that.

 

The only realistic way that we can optimize our lineup is to get Millar out of there and plug in Youk. That's the only way we get better from within and the trade market is just too expensive right now.

[CalvnHobs6]

That works too. Youkilis NEEDS to be in games.

[soxie thefangirl]

I agree with that. Mueller is performing well enough for him to remain in the lineup but Millar is performing well right now, too, so I don't know where to throw Youk in.

 

It's been theorized that the Red Sox are basically putting Youk on display to raise his value in order to trade him for more. What do you think of this?

[elsrbueno]

Mueller at second doesn't work for the reasons already stated.

 

Youk at second (as much as I love Youk) doesn't work. When was the last time you saw a 6-2, 220 LB second baseman? I don't have TV so I'm not the authority on this, but I doubt Youk has the range to play second.

 

Youk at first is the OBVIOUS solution. He's hit much better than Kevin Millar, plays as good (if not better) defense, at a fraction of the price.

 

Theo on WEEI last night was commenting on the fact that the trades this year may not be the expected prospect-for-proven veteran, but rather change of scenery deals or even talent for talent deals. Perhaps Millar could be dealt for a reliever?

 

Wow. This post I just made has absolutely nothing to do with Mark Bellhorn... gotta throw something in so Yeszir doesn't scold me for going off topic.

 

Mark's on pace for 183 Ks and 87 walks. That's a lot of freaking strikeouts. I heard on the radio that Adam Dunn was leading the NL in strikeouts and he has 3 fewer strikeouts than Bellhorn.

[soxie thefangirl]

Most of these posts have had nothing to do with Bellhorn haha.

 

I don't know, I so don't see them trading Millar.

[elsrbueno]

Most of these posts have had nothing to do with Bellhorn haha.

 

I don't know, I so don't see them trading Millar.

 

No, unfortunately management is way too attached to the big lug.

[sarasoxfan]

however els your post can be applied Babe Bellhorn...

 

excpet he is a little lug.

[soxie thefangirl]

Yeah they're far too attached to Millar and so are a lot of the players.

[Soxfan1]

Wasn't Millar going to Japan but then ended up staying her. Let him get the rest of the year and don't resign him.

[soxie thefangirl]

Nope. Millar was gonna be sent to Japan when he was with the Marlins.

[CalvnHobs6]

I agree with that. Mueller is performing well enough for him to remain in the lineup but Millar is performing well right now, too, so I don't know where to throw Youk in.

 

It's been theorized that the Red Sox are basically putting Youk on display to raise his value in order to trade him for more. What do you think of this?

 

I hope not...I love Youk.

[soxie thefangirl]

It would suck wicked bad.

[elsrbueno]

I agree with that. Mueller is performing well enough for him to remain in the lineup but Millar is performing well right now, too, so I don't know where to throw Youk in.

 

It's been theorized that the Red Sox are basically putting Youk on display to raise his value in order to trade him for more. What do you think of this?

 

I don't agree. I think the organization sees Youkilis as a replacement at third long term for Bill Mueller, who's a free agent after 05 I believe. I think they're just struggling to find him a place to play right now and trying to get him into as many games as possible.

 

I've been wrong before, but I hope I'm not wrong about this. I'd love to see Youk as an everyday player in Boston.

[soxie thefangirl]

I don't know. On the Boston.com boards many people are saying he's not fit to start on a daily basis for Boston and that his numbers are hyped up because he's been in so few games, and they're trying to trade him. But I don't know. I'd hate to see Youk go, he's a great guy.

[Zenny]

So if they're actively trying to trade him, if these rumors are true, that must mean that they are committing themselves to Hanley as either he or Renteria playing 3B in the future. That could be great, that could be horrible.

 

Hanley hasn't played like our top prospect (the way things are going this season, Brandon Moss and Anibal Sanchez could leapfrog him), but he's still an amazing talent with some of the best tools in the minor leagues. If he pulls it all together and plays well, Youk could become expendable. Still, there's always that chances that the man doesn't live up to the hype because he couldn't control the plate at the upper levels and then we waste Youk and have to seek a more expensive replacement.

 

I'd much rather see Youkilis in 2006 making $300,000-$400,000 than Bill Mueller making $3-$4 million, but that's just me.

[elsrbueno]

So if they're actively trying to trade him, if these rumors are true, that must mean that they are committing themselves to Hanley as either he or Renteria playing 3B in the future. That could be great, that could be horrible.

 

Hanley hasn't played like our top prospect (the way things are going this season, Brandon Moss and Anibal Sanchez could leapfrog him), but he's still an amazing talent with some of the best tools in the minor leagues. If he pulls it all together and plays well, Youk could become expendable. Still, there's always that chances that the man doesn't live up to the hype because he couldn't control the plate at the upper levels and then we waste Youk and have to seek a more expensive replacement.

 

I'd much rather see Youkilis in 2006 making $300,000-$400,000 than Bill Mueller making $3-$4 million, but that's just me.

 

It's not JUST you Zenny, I'd much rather see Youk starting at the cheaper price. Like I've always said, Hanley MAY be a big league player someday, hell even a star, but that someday isn't 2006 in my opinion. IF he busts onto the scene late 2006 or 2007 (more likely), then you've got a problem of where to play him. He's athletic enough where it might be a waste to play him at third, and if the team's commited to Renteria at short (and Pedroia at second), center field wouldn't be a bad idea.

 

Theo is always talking about how he's planning not only for 2005, but the future as well. Youkilis has GOT to be in his plans for 2006, because he really has no other alternative unless he signs a free agent, and why do that when he's got a perfectly good alternative already here.

[soxie thefangirl]

Or they resign Bill. 'Cause he's damn good.

[elsrbueno]

Or they resign Bill. 'Cause he's damn good.

 

And will be much more expensive than someone like Youkilis who is basically good for the same or better numbers.

[soxie thefangirl]

Possibly. We haven't seen Youk play fulltime. Who knows? But I would miss him a hell of a lot.

[Sizzlin22]

Personally I see Mueller going on the decline very soon. He's got a bad knee and he's playing one of the toughest positions on the body at third. He clearly can't be a second baeman I see Mueller retireing in the near future.

[soxie thefangirl]

That's a possibility.

[elsrbueno]

Personally I see Mueller going on the decline very soon. He's got a bad knee and he's playing one of the toughest positions on the body at third. He clearly can't be a second baeman I see Mueller retireing in the near future.

 

Yep. I'd be very surprised if the Sox made a serious run at Mueller for much more than the MLB minimum. I really like the guy don't get me wrong, but like Sizlin says, I don't see that knee holding up under the everyday pounding for too much longer.

[riverside sluggers]

the all-star bret boone, rumors have been goin around that he could be put up for trade offers next month. hed be an excellent fill in at second base, not much of a strikeout casulaty that bellhorn is. contrast and comapre time, bellhorn is at 73 strikeouts in the first 65 games, while johnny damon is only at 26. sure ortiz and manny have each 50 strikeouts or so, byt no analysts look at their strikeouts, cuz unlike bellhorn they are able to be power hitters. a note of interest, the sweep of the reds that boston had over 30 hits. bellhorn was only player to go hitless none the less. bellhorn, thanks for the memories you gave us last season, but i think its time to bid adieu if this continues. same goes for embree

[soxie thefangirl]

You're ridiculous. I hate Boone.

 

For all the fickle fans out there, everyone should read this. I am so damn sick of all this bashing.

 

http://bostondirtdogs.boston.com/Headline_Archives/2005/06/cowboy_upset_pa_1.html

[stocker323]

You're ridiculous. I hate Boone.

 

For all the fickle fans out there, everyone should read this. I am so damn sick of all this bashing.

 

http://bostondirtdogs.boston.com/Headline_Archives/2005/06/cowboy_upset_pa_1.html

 

Millar needs to learn to shut the f*** up. I'm sick of him.