Sheets...Ben Sheets

[Plumpamania]

I heard that if the Brewers can't sign Ben Sheets to a deal by July 31st...they would be interested in trading him.

 

Now that we got Renteria...would a Hanley Ramirez/Bronson Arroyo for Ben Sheets and player A be a possible trade? Sheets is wicked nasty, and would be our Ace when Schilling retires.

[elsrbueno]

I heard that if the Brewers can't sign Ben Sheets to a deal by July 31st...they would be interested in trading him.

 

Now that we got Renteria...would a Hanley Ramirez/Bronson Arroyo for Ben Sheets and player A be a possible trade? Sheets is wicked nasty, and would be our Ace when Schilling retires.

 

Keep in mind that there will be 29 teams that would LOVE to have Sheets if Milwaukee decides to deal him. Granted, probably only 10-15 would be willing/able to resign him, but you can bet your ass the Yankees will try to get him.

 

Now, I can't imagine what they'd have to offer Milwaukee that the Red Sox couldn't... but there are teams with deeper farm systems that would also be in on any Sheets trade talk.

 

Bottom line: I wouldn't count on it, but it'd be nice to add an arm of his caliber.

[Soxfan1]

It's a possibility but I don't think the sox would have him in the end.

[Chitalian Stallion]

who would sign him then?

[yeszir]

Can you imagine our rotation after the trade deadline should we miraculously trade for Sheets?

 

Shilling

Sheets

*Wells

*Miller

*Clement

 

*= interchangeable (for now).

 

That would be far and away the best rotation in baseball, I dont care what anyone else says. We'd have to give up A LOT to get him though, because you can bet your ass Steinbrenner will find some way to interfere.

[Zenny]

We'd have to give up A LOT to get him though, because you can bet your ass Steinbrenner will find some way to interfere.

With what? They have no prospects and they have no cheap young players. Everything the Yankees could potentially hand over (in terms of young talent) the Brewers have in spades. There is no way King George could pull a trade for Sheets. He may be able to sign him, but that's a different story.

 

I also heard somewhere that Sheets may not be a free agent after the year. I can't remember where, but someone said Gammons was wrong in saying that.

[yeszir]

With what? They have no prospects and they have no cheap young players. Everything the Yankees could potentially hand over (in terms of young talent) the Brewers have in spades. There is no way King George could pull a trade for Sheets. He may be able to sign him, but that's a different story.

 

I also heard somewhere that Sheets may not be a free agent after the year. I can't remember where, but someone said Gammons was wrong in saying that.

You're right, it's doubtful that the yankees will trade for Sheets. What I really meant was that they'd jack the price/demand for him up so high that the sox may have to be crazy to give up enough to get him. The yankees may offer all the talent they have, knowing its not enough to land him, if only to force the sox to offer more. They can also throw money at the Brewers. That's how they roll. :dunno:

[Zenny]

That's how they roll. :dunno:

I can't help but picture Jack Black kicking the dog off of the bridge in Anchorman.

[BoSox Rule]

Sheets only has 4 years under his belt.

[Zenny]

You are correct. Rotoworld (it's pretty much my favorite website) was the one who I was thinking of in my previous post. Here's the article they quote.

 

Quote from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel:

First of all, despite those reports, Sheets is not a free agent next winter. He doesn’t qualify for that status until after the 2006 season.

Said multi-year deal in the article is not done and may never get done. If it doesn't come to fruitition, Sheets will hit the market after the Sox three-peat as champions after 2006.

 

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/brew/dec04/285031.asp

[2090]

I heard that if the Brewers can't sign Ben Sheets to a deal by July 31st...they would be interested in trading him.

 

Now that we got Renteria...would a Hanley Ramirez/Bronson Arroyo for Ben Sheets and player A be a possible trade? Sheets is wicked nasty, and would be our Ace when Schilling retires.

There are other teams out there with superior prospects. The Angels are one team, even though they might not be willing to part ways with McPherson.

[2090]

You are correct. Rotoworld (it's pretty much my favorite website) was the one who I was thinking of in my previous post. Here's the article they quote.

 

Quote from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel:

 

Said multi-year deal in the article is not done and may never get done. If it doesn't come to fruitition, Sheets will hit the market after the Sox three-peat as champions after 2006.

 

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/brew/dec04/285031.asp

three-peat? Look's like someone has taken too much crack lately :lol:

[2090]

Can you imagine our rotation after the trade deadline should we miraculously trade for Sheets?

 

Shilling

Sheets

*Wells

*Miller

*Clement

 

*= interchangeable (for now).

 

That would be far and away the best rotation in baseball, I dont care what anyone else says. We'd have to give up A LOT to get him though, because you can bet your ass Steinbrenner will find some way to interfere.

could you imagine the Yankee rotation if they get Sheets?

 

Randy Johnson

Mike Mussina

Ben Sheets

Carl Pavano

Jaret Wright

 

 

Best part, Kevin Brown wouldn't even be in the rotation :lol:

[yeszir]

Dude, there's no need to make 3 posts in rapid succesion. Read the thread and make one longer post, its easier to read and is less cluttering.

[Zenny]

1. The Yankees, with the worst farm system in baseball, will be unable to trade for Sheets.

2. The Yankees will not be able to even talk to Ben Sheets until after 2006 and he could potentially be in their 2007 rotation.

3. By that time, Randy Johnson's knee will have collapsed and he will be essentially retired, Mike Mussina will be a staple on the DL, Carl Pavano will discover that low K totals in the AL lead to high ERA's and Jaret Wright will be getting fat on his couch after his Ricotta cheese shoulder explodes (for the umpteenth time).

[YanksHater213]

I can't help but picture Jack Black kicking the dog off of the bridge in Anchorman.

 

Jack Black is god. So is Tenacios D.

[Plumpamania]

1. The Yankees, with the worst farm system in baseball, will be unable to trade for Sheets.

2. The Yankees will not be able to even talk to Ben Sheets until after 2006 and he could potentially be in their 2007 rotation.

3. By that time, Randy Johnson's knee will have collapsed and he will be essentially retired, Mike Mussina will be a staple on the DL, Carl Pavano will discover that low K totals in the AL lead to high ERA's and Jaret Wright will be getting fat on his couch after his Ricotta cheese shoulder explodes (for the umpteenth time).

 

 

Zen, I've said this a thousand times, but here is 1,001...you're my freakin' hero man.

[Joeroafan]

Let me tell u y this wont happen the brewers new owner has lots of cash and he will make this number 1 job to sgin him back i heard that MLB.com also he grew up yankees fan and when he bought team he said this was like a child hood dreams when he hit walkoffhomeruns off the redsox pitchers

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I would love to get Ben Sheets and everything....but I want Santana somehow. I don't know if there would ever be a way to get him...but he is the ultimate pitcher.

[DOrtiz4prez]

When he pitches, its an automatic win. He's exciting too, like a Mike Vick kinda pitcher.

[ahhchon]

I would love to get Ben Sheets and everything....but I want Santana somehow. I don't know if there would ever be a way to get him...but he is the ultimate pitcher.

 

ben sheets is going to be better than santana. i also don't think santana will continue to put up numbers like he did in the 2nd half of 2004. we'll see though.

 

john

[Plumpamania]

ben sheets is going to be better than santana. i also don't think santana will continue to put up numbers like he did in the 2nd half of 2004. we'll see though.

 

john

 

 

I agree. I think Sheets will be the Schilling of the next generation but he learned to pitch at a much earlier age. Sheets is going to be wicked and continue to improve and I think Santana has reached his peak.

[yagmaster]

I think we may be overvaluing a great season, and it was great. He does seem, however, to be one of the better young pitchers in the league. Don't compare him to Santana or Schilling until he has another great season, though.

[BoSox Rule]

I'm not sold on Santana at all.

[Yanksin2010]

I think we may be overvaluing a great season, and it was great. He does seem, however, to be one of the better young pitchers in the league. Don't compare him to Santana or Schilling until he has another great season, though.

aren't you contradicting yourself? You're saying don't be sold on 1 great season, then you're saying he's not like a santana who did have 1 great season.

[yagmaster]

aren't you contradicting yourself? You're saying don't be sold on 1 great season, then you're saying he's not like a santana who did have 1 great season.

 

Santana's career ERA: 3.47

Sheets' career ERA: 3.92

 

Santana's career win percentage: .705

Sheets' career win percentage: .459

 

Two years ago, Santana was 12 - 3 with a 3.07 ERA, and he only started for half of the season. Sheets was 11 - 13 with a 4.45 ERA and he started the whole season.

 

Please don't tell me that Santana has only had one good season; he has been nasty for his entire career. I understand Sheets' season last year was INCREDIBLE, but let's not get ahead of ourselves yet. And I'll leave you with this, the vastly overrated Carl Pavano's lifetime ERA, at 4.21, isn't much worse than Sheets'.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

Sheets is better then Pavano. Pavano is so overrated. Sheets is pretty good but i'm not sold on him either.

[BoSox Rule]

They're both 25. Their career numbers up to now mean very little, if anything. This is what I care about right now:

 

Ben Sheets K/BB: 2004- 8.25, CAREER- 3.55

Johan Santana K/BB: 2004- 4.91, CAREER- 3.01

[yagmaster]

They're both 25. Their career numbers up to now mean very little, if anything. This is what I care about right now:

 

Ben Sheets K/BB: 2004- 8.25, CAREER- 3.55

Johan Santana K/BB: 2004- 4.91, CAREER- 3.01

 

I agree with you about Ben Sheets, but I think you are overlooking something about Johan Santana. He has been excellent every year he has been in the Majors. If K/BB is that stat that you go by, here are Santana's numbers:

 

2000: 1.19

2001: 1.75

2002: 2.80

2003: 3.60

2004: 4.91

 

I agree that a sudden huge jump is the sign of an unproven pitcher, but look at Santana's numbers. He has shown constant improvement EVERY season. To me, that's a sign of a great young pitcher.

 

I also think that you overlook some things when you judge them based only on K/BB. ERA is a very important stat, and his ERA has always been excellent. To say a pitcher is as good as his K/BB ratio is a little faulty.

 

And I leave you with this. Roger Clemens, the best pitcher of our generation, last year's CY Young Award Winner, and the highest paid pitcher of all time, has a career K/BB ratio of 2.96.

[Zenny]

What I look for in the true sign of a growing and developing pitcher to have future success is K/BB. Sheets was dominant last year and, if he avoids injury, he will be for the next decade.