Rumors

[elsrbueno]

The hottest rumor has been the possibility that Randy Johnson MAY be coming to the east coast. The bad news is that Newsday is reporting he prefers the Yankees to Boston because they have a better shot at the series...

 

I say if either team gets Randy, they (in my mind) instantly become the favorite in the AL.....

 

All other Red Sox rumors are cooling off.....

 

Peter Gammons chatted last night on WEEI about the possibility Roger Clemens may be traded (and want to come to Boston) before the deadline if Houston continues to struggle. He thought it was doubtful, with a more realistic option being Wade Miller...

 

Gammons also said there's a good possibility Houston moves Beltran if they're not in contention...

[Ortiz34]

The Yankees will not get Randy. If it is a battle between the sox and the yanks, the redsox wont let this slip through their fingers again. I hope.. agh

[elsrbueno]

honestly, I hope that you're right. I just have that sinking feeling.....

[Tek04]

Fitting that a New York newspaper posts that. Yankees have nothing to offer anyway..and im sure after Schill's wife sits and chats with Randy's wife...that he will come to boston

[NomarMannyOrtizzle]

Yeah, seriously, the D'Backs and the Yankees don't get along too well, remember that whole David Wells ordeal. Besides the Diamodbacks will probably request the whole Yankees farm system and Javier Vasquez for RJ. The Red Sox have a lot more to offer, and they get along with the Diamondbacks. Also, if RJ and Curt really are friends I'm sure the Big UNit would love to come to Boston as would Mrs. Unit, who is friends with Mrs. Curt. I don't that any of us Red Sox hans have anything to worry about, Johnson isn't going to the Yankees.

[schillingouttheks]

hopefully curt and randy can talk at the all star game and curt can tell randy about the diehard fans we are. we have accepted him different than the yankee fans would have. now, im not saying we dont expect winning, because we do want it very bad, but i think the yanks would have been something like this:

 

"look its schilling! hes so good! now that hes a yankee hes my favorite! now do the winning before we boo you."

 

sox fans want our pitchers to win, but we dont force it upon them, yes they are suppose to earn their contract, but we dont expect the winning in the ways of NY. they expect a world series championship every year. we die for one. we applaud a players EFFORT AND PERFORMANCE. NOT JUST PERFORMANCE. a lot of yanks fans, not all of them, dont know just how sweet winning feels because they get too much of it.

[Ortiz34]

Nomah, you gotta take your pick. You have been saying u hope the redosx get clemens and Johnson, but we can't get both. Settle on one of them, so who will it be? I say RJ for sure.

[schillingouttheks]

ortiz, im just saying the possibilitys of both, if u didnt read my clemens thing carefully enough, which u probably didnt, i clearly stated the roger thing if we dont get RJ

[Ortiz34]

my bad

[elsrbueno]

Latest Buzz on Clemens: No Way! Astros say they aren't moving him (no surprise here)

 

Latest Buzz on Johnson: Curt Schilling's wife sitting next to Randy's wife at the All-Star game?

 

Could the Randy Johnson/Curt Schilling relationship be enough to convince Randy to come to Boston?

[trot4mvp]

Any word on who we'd have to give up for RJ?

[elsrbueno]

Any word on who we'd have to give up for RJ?

 

I read a report saying Arizona would want TOP prospects for Johnson, meaning:

 

Alvarez, Shoppach, AND Youk.

 

Seems like a lot to give up....

 

Also he wants an extension (2 years after 2005) so he can try to win 300.

[elsrbueno]

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/news/mlb...r2004&fext=.jsp

 

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/allstar04/ne...tory?id=1838530

 

 

Randy said he'd waive his no-trade to go to a contender.

 

Theo, get on it

[NomarMannyOrtizzle]

Originally posted by elsrbueno@Jul 12 2004, 12:17 PM

Any word on who we'd have to give up for RJ?

 

I read a report saying Arizona would want TOP prospects for Johnson, meaning:

 

Alvarez, Shoppach, AND Youk.

 

Seems like a lot to give up....

 

Also he wants an extension (2 years after 2005) so he can try to win 300.

Actually, there was some sort of trade rumor reported by some radio station in flagstaff that would have sent Lowe, Millar, Jon Lester, Brandon Moss and cash considerations. This was reported on NetSports. Here it is.TRADE RUMOR

[trot4mvp]

Awesome...this trade would free up the weakest spot in the rotation, get rid of Kentucky Fried Kevin and his $3.5M salary, and give up a so-so prospect, while keeping Youk, Shopp, Alvarez, etc. Sounds too good to be true...and unfortunately, it probably is. I'm not saying I doubt the ability of the Sox' front office, but until I see RJ in a Red Sox uniform, I'm not going to get too excited about it. I also think the source is pretty weak...we all know how wrong radio/internet sources have been lately in Boston, and I have no reason to trust some radio station in Flagstaff.

 

Also, it is important to note that Jerry Colangelo and the D'Backs are not on working terms with the Yanks because of the whole David Wells fiasco from a few years back (nomah555 had mentioned this earlier). As we can all recall, Steinbrenner was so upset that the Sox were able to land Schilling and he wasn't able to because of the bad blood between the DBacks and Yanks that he went and got Vazquez AND Brown

[elsrbueno]

Trot-

I hope you're right about the Dbacks not wanting to deal with the Yankees.

 

NMO-

That trade does sound too good to be true. Lowe, Millar, and a couple single-A guys for the best LHP in the game today?!? I think if Arizona agreed to an offer like that, Theo would have already taken it!

[NomarMannyOrtizzle]

the guy said it was just reported at 8 so who knows

alot of thinking will have to go forth in the decision making on the part of the DBacks

[CrespoBlows]

I'm sorry to disapoint you all, but I don't see Johnson being traded to any team, besides the Angels. The Red Sox do have a deep farm system, but really no stars in it.

 

The Yankees don't have s***, not to mention any thing worth anything to the D-backs. Just who do the Yankees have? Navarro? What did he hit Double A? Around .240? Please.

 

The Sox can offer a few people, Youkillis is one, but why would the want him? They have Chad Tracy/Shea Hillenbrand at 3rd. Abe Alvarez is one the D-Backs would want, So would Lester, and maybe A-Mart. The Sox could offer a player such as Kevin Millar, or Derek Lowe. So the Red Sox are a slight possiblity, but do any of these players would make you forget about Randy Johnson? No not really.

 

Maybe the Angels if the would take the salary on. They have some great prospects in Casey Kotchman, Dallas McPherson, and Ervin Santana not to mention a lot more. The Angels won't take on Johnson salary though, they can't afford it.

[NomarMannyOrtizzle]

Originally posted by trot4mvp@Jul 13 2004, 11:46 AM

Awesome...this trade would free up the weakest spot in the rotation, get rid of Kentucky Fried Kevin and his $3.5M salary, and give up a so-so prospect, while keeping Youk, Shopp, Alvarez, etc. Sounds too good to be true...and unfortunately, it probably is. I'm not saying I doubt the ability of the Sox' front office, but until I see RJ in a Red Sox uniform, I'm not going to get too excited about it. I also think the source is pretty weak...we all know how wrong radio/internet sources have been lately in Boston, and I have no reason to trust some radio station in Flagstaff.

 

Also, it is important to note that Jerry Colangelo and the D'Backs are not on working terms with the Yanks because of the whole David Wells fiasco from a few years back (nomah555 had mentioned this earlier). As we can all recall, Steinbrenner was so upset that the Sox were able to land Schilling and he wasn't able to because of the bad blood between the DBacks and Yanks that he went and got Vazquez AND Brown

the guy reporting it was "close in negotiations" and that " a deal was imminent"

[trot4mvp]

NMO...I'm still hesitant to believe this rumor. Like I said, I need to see him in that Sox uni.

 

Does anybody remember that rumor that was up on BDD a week or two ago? The 3-way that would've shipped Nomar to LA and brought in Delgado and Perez? This trade seems as preposterous as this one...alas, stranger things have happened.

[elsrbueno]

We're all a bit scarred from the A-Rod fiasco. Like Trot, I won't believe the rumors until I see him in the uniform. Remember A-Rod was as good as here, and now he's a Yankee.

[trot4mvp]

SoSH is citing a source from Briefing.com (some stock news website) that a 3-way is in the works that would send Nomar to the White Sox, prospects to the D'Backs, and RJ to Boston. Source said the deal will be done tomorrow because deals can't be made the day of the All-Star game. Boston Globe cites this rumor as well.

 

Sounds like another bogus one...I go to school in Chicago and have become somewhat of a fan of the White Sox. I'm pretty sure they don't have any major prospects to give to AZ, though. They sent their #1 (Jeremy Reed (sp)?) and Miguel Olivo to Seattle; can't imagine they'd have much more to give the DBacks.

 

I hate rumors as much as the rest of them, but I just want you guys to know what's out there.

[elsrbueno]

Hey Trot,

Thanks for sharing. I know I appreciate hearing what's out there.

 

I have to admit I was the hardest on Nomar when he was struggling, but also I will be sad to see him go if this deal goes down. I liked the Lowe/Millar thing better....

 

Again, I'll believe it when I see it.

[RedSoxRooter]

It's not on the Globe's website..

[RedSoxRooter]

I stand corrected: From the Globe's website.

 

More Nomar rumblings

BUZZ FACTOR -- Low: Are the White Sox getting in on the Nomar discussion again? There are rumblings on the 'Net that a three-way deal involving the Red Sox, White Sox and D-Backs could be in the works that would send Nomar from Boston to Chicago, prospects from Chicago to Arizona and -- here's the kicker -- Randy Johnson from Arizona to Boston. There's nothing solid to back this up at this point, but we're continuing to dig to see if there's anything to this. At this point, it's merely wild speculation. Other whispers out there: Nomar to the Dodgers in exchange for shortstop Cesar Izturus; Nomar to the Pirates for pitcher Kris Benson and shortstop Jack Wilson; Nomar to the Angels for prospect Casey Kotchman and either second baseman Adam Kennedy or shortstop David Eckstein. The shortstop-seeking Cubs also inquired about Nomar. At this point, however, none of these scenarios seems likely. We expect Nomar to ride out the season in Boston before leaving for free agency, but that could certainly change as the July 31 trading deadline approaches. ... On Wednesday morning's SportsCenter, ESPN's Peter Gammons said he didn't think Garciaparra would ultimately be dealt before the July 31 trade deadline. Gammons also said that Sox GM Theo Epstein went to Atlanta last weekend and talked to Nomar to try to ease his discontent with the team. Another interesting tidbit found in the Metro West Daily News: Apparently, Dodgers scouts were at Fenway on Tuesday night checking out Nomar.

[trot4mvp]

I was going to say...I had just seen up there...I wonder what rumor they will come up with next??

[trot4mvp]

Here's the latest one being reported by NY Times, BDD, and Boston.com (Globe):

 

Nomar goes to the Cubs for prospects, then Theo spins those prospects to AZ for Randy Johnson.

 

This deal would make a lot more sense to me than the supposed Boston-White Sox-D'Backs deal being reported yesterday. The Cubbies are literally stocked at AAA and AA with prime pitching prospects (this is the system that has produced Kerry Wood, Mark Prior, Carlos Zambrano, Dontrelle Willis, Sergio Mitre, etc. over the years). I have a feeling this deal wouldn't happen, though...the Cubs have a greater need for a powerhouse lefty (Johnson) than an angry SS in his walk year (Garciaparra)...why wouldn't they just trade their prospects to the D'Backs for Johnson? Still speculation at this point; no real negotiations...keep the rumors coming!

[elsrbueno]

I read the Nomar to the Cubs rumor this morning. In the same article, it effectively kills the Nomar to the White Sox rumors. We're going to read a lot of wild rumors in the next few weeks, so don't believe everything you hear...but the Nomar/Prospects/Johnson deal makes sense:

 

Chicago has 5 good starting pitchers. they only really need 3 or 4 in a potential playoff situation, and I don't imagine any of their current starters would be thrilled about being delegated to the bullpen. So Randy to the Cubs makes little sense to me. Some Chicago players (Alou, Sosa, Wood) were saying in an article I read that they wanted more offense. Nomar would certainly provide that, seeing as he's still one of the best hitting shortstops in the game. The way I see it, Cubs can improve offensively at 2 positions: Shortstop and Center Field. I still think they need a left handed hitter....but Nomar certainly is an upgrade over their current situation.

 

There's no question what Johnson would mean to the Red Sox. They'll be hurt from the loss of Nomar, but I personally believe they ultimately have enough offense to succeed without him (especially with Johnson added to the staff).

 

Arizona's going nowhere. They believe that they'll compete as early as next year, but the cold, hard truth is that they aren't getting any younger right now. Granted it's not a strong division, but I think San Diego's on the rise over there...Getting prospects (who knows which ones) certainly helps with the rebuilding process.

 

 

The deal makes sense to me. That being said, I'm not the one signing the paychecks or negociating trades either....

[trot4mvp]

Good points, but I can't agree that the Cubs would turn down a rotation of Wood, Prior, Johnson, Clement, and Zambrano for a rotation with Glendon Rusch in Johnson's place. They definitely need a bat, and they definitely have the prospects to attain one, but there's not a lot out there. SS is definitely their weak point, but the Sox WILL NOT trade Nomar for prospects, IMO. I heard they'd be more likely to go after Cabrera, which I don't think would be a bad pick up for them...could use a change of scenery. 17 days until the deadline....

[NomarMannyOrtizzle]

I would love the SOx trading Nomar for RJ, as we will have perhaps the best 1-2-3 in the game, but we will be losing offense if we trade Nomar. Is there anyway we could then acquire a second baseman or shortstop to replace Nomar's bat. If we were talking about this in the offseason, I would Alfonso Soriano, but i think Texas will win the West, so they wouldn't part with Soriano. Is there anyone you guys could think of?