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Breslow went to Devers directly and made a bad situation worse, like he always does.

Breslow seems to be at the center of a lot of leadership issues. Even Theo said it.

Ive never seen a good manager or leader cry insubordination. If you go to HR and want to make a case about insubordination, they will have questions. In most cases, yes, its the higher ranking person who is the problem. If a leader cant get his team to align with him, its usually the leaders problem. OF course, not always. But usually. Ive seen people stomp their feet and pound their chest and yell about their title. Ive seen Breslow do this. Its bad leadership. If Breslow expects that what he says goes, that is a problem. Even if he has the authority to make the final call. Also, Ive seen Breslow botch the communication/leadership multiple times....And if Cora was insubordinate, this is just further evidence that Breslow is in over his head as a leader. And he is. So very very clearly. Sometimes, the smartest people in the room make for hte worst leaders.

If you are screaming insubordination, what that translates to is "Im a bad leader". Ive never struggled to get my employees on my page. A lot of that is mutual respect. Ive seen plenty of managers yell and scream about insubordination. They are usually having to scream about their title and rank and what they say goes. Ive seen Breslow do this. These are never quality people. YOU WILL DO WHAT I SAYYYYYYY is what happens when non leaders wind up in leadership roles, and they lose their top talent.

Ive had 20 people report to me in my career. Not one of their jobs has ever been "to take what I say and run" Of course you want Cora and Breslow on the same page. They werent at first, then it seemed like they were, then it broke up again. Of course if Breslow is dead set on something, nad Cora goes against it, thats risky as Breslow is technically his boss. Its possible that Cora overplayed his hand and thought he could survive Breslow, but Breslow sought and received approval to fire Cora. Regardless the job of an MLB manager is not priimarily to take the words of the CBO and relay it to the team. If so, you would have a parrot or a tape-recorder doing that job. Cora was a respected mlb manager and already turned down a job. And it wasnt because he was so good at taking what people above him said and repeated it. You are reducing him. And yes, "Mcdonalds manager" is the go to for condescending analogies. "woudl you like fries with that?" was like the go to insult of the 90s for people who couldnt secure good jobs.

you dont find that condescending because to me the fact that you are comparing cora to a mcdonalds manager, at all, feels off. And no, I dont think coras job is to be a go-between between breslow and the players, and i think cora and breslow disagreed on that and thats why cora is no longer here. Cuz breslow only wants yes man cuz hes a dicktator.

so just have the mcdonalds manager do coras job then, right? cuz hes just a message relayer? Thats absurd.

Because they thought that top brass showing face would mean something to devers. JH thought his direct involvement would be seen as "wow, the owner is here, I guess I am important" by Devers. And it would help. BUt Devers wasnt about to start sniffing farts like higher ups usually expect.

Cora was at the meeting between JH and Devers. Red Sox are weird about stepping in and doing other peoples jobs, cant blame Cora. Just like how now Henry is calling rival GMs not Breslow and nobody knows why.

So you think Coras job is to relay breslows decisions to the players? Im not so sure that Cora saw it that way. Im sure Breslow the dictator does. When Breslow asked to fire Cora, Im surprised they let him.

When the comment that was made that Devers interpreted as put your glove away, Casas was the plan at 1b. Cora said BS on Devers being told to put his glove away but because they hadnt yet given up on him playing 3b, that had nothing to do with 1b. The timeline is key here. 1. Red Sox sign Bregman 2. Nothing is communicated to Devers 3. That weird interview happens when Devers repeatedly refers to himself as a third baseman, not a DH or any other position....People start getting nervous that we have the ingredients for a fall-out 4. Insiders report that the plan is for Bregman to play 2b and Devers to play 3b and this was always the plan. However, for ST, Devers will DH because his shoulder is still healing. 5. Everyone but Moon and Notin are happy. THey want Devers at 1b because theyve decided it would be good for team and have been howling at the moon for it for 3+ years. I disagree and personally think the best hitter on your team should usually DH and they are your most important asset and defense is overrated (except for CF, SS). I also disagreed that Raffy makes too much to DH and was a neg contrct. But most people are just happy that it appears things are getting better in the clubhouse. 6. Devers shoulder continues to not heal enough, so they open the season with Bregman at 3b and KC at 2b. KC opens the season very hot. Bregman opens the season very well at 3b. Neither are looking like they are going anywhere, so where does Raffy play? Is he going to remain a DH this year? Starting to look like it. For that reason.... 7. Its communicated to Raffy at this point that his shoulder is still not healing. And he will be the DH until he can play in the field, and with Breg/KC/Casas, it may make sense to just remain the DH this year. And we dont want to lose your bat and that shoulder is still scary. While true the shoulder isnt healed 100%, its also extremely convenient. Everyone can see that. Theres just no place to put Raffy in the field. 8. KC shits the bed and Casas gets seriously hurt for the year. Suddenly there are vacancies in the infield. 9. Captain can make any situation worse (Breslow) approaches Devers to play 1b. I dont think it made sense and I am not sure how Cora felt. Yes he said around this time he did not ask Devers to play 1b, but we dont know how he felt about it. It wasnt the obvious decision here some think. Personally, I thought it was a bad idea. Hes mashing at DH at this point, hes not complianing. We are winning. Just leave it there. I said make Roman the 1b. 10. Of course the situation goes worse. Always does whenever Bresbot talks to anyone cuz he doesnt human well. But Devers isnt blameless either, and is coming off as a stubborn defiant child. 11. There is a meeting with Henry, Cora, and Devers only. Bresbot was asked not to attend cuz he makes everything worse. It sounds like a meeting that went nowhere but with positive spin. "Both sides got a chance to voice their side of things and thats always good, but we still dont know who will play where" 12. Raffy continues to carry our offense and we are hot. 13. Bresbot trades Raffy out of nowhere because Raffy had the balls to not immediately say "yes sir" to Bres the dick-tator. So Bresbot came around and traded him months left because revenge is a dish best served cold and Breslow is petty. Breslow also made plenty of other situations worse too, not just Devers including: ruining relationships with his scouting team, Bregman, Cora, Whitlock, Story, Varitek. But Breslow is difficult and so is Devers, and they both contributed to a blow up. But there was only a small point in time when Devers was considered for 1b and it had didnt have much to do with the saga. It was just like chapter 8 in a 10 chapter book of how to expose yourself as a bad baseball CBO. And this is why even Theo said Bresbot cant human. But winning cures everything, and we are winning right now, so maybe Breslow escapes with his job intact after this year. He should already be fired though.

As the main piece in getting Pena, a 5 WAR SS, with 1.5 yrs left modest AAV on his deal. Thats pretty good value for Mayer. I just dont want to trade him to trade him. There is a decent chance he is a good MLB player at some point, if maybe, not as good as we once thought. Theres also a chance he turns into a core player for whatever team he happens to be on. Hes lost some shine, and Im not trading him for very little. BUt Id trade him for significant value.

I think Id make that deal.

If getting top prospect value , sure.

how much trade value though? Better bet might be to just try again next year with him. Byron Buxton struggled into he didnt. I consider moving Mayer, but he has options , right? Im more keen to send him down.

he doesnt hit well enough to fill one of those spots though. At least not if we want to be a serious threat to reach playoffs and be competitive once there.

The plan (until Casas got hurt) was to see how Devers shoulder healed. Once Casas was long term hurt, the plan changed, but again, that was in the fourth quarter of the saga, not the first.

It wasnt the plan.

It was real, it was mediocre though - we have much better pizza here in RI.

Do you know about other sports? Wondering if the trend extends to hockey and basketball. Just curious.

i had landed on pizza, but this would have been great.

I dont know but its orange outside cuz of the candian wild fires.

well now that youve solved that maybe you can figure out what I want for dinner

Devers was moved from 3b to dh 100% because of his shoulder, 0% because the team thought it was the better defensive alignment. So when they asked him to play 1b, when they had just told him hes a 3b who needs to dh while his shoulder heals.... But a lot of people here were convinced that they were going to move him to 1b because those same posters had been screaming for it for 3 years, so when the rs do it, of course, those posters are going to perceive it as validation, but it really was never the plan here for devers to be moved to 1b to better align the defense. Even if someone pulls up an article saying they saw him as an eventual DH/1b and maybe they considered that. But thats just every contract for a position player that takes them past age 32.

The original plan was Devers-3b, Breggie-2b, Casas-1b Devers had hurt his shoulder year prior, and they were already a little concerned about its healing, and they liked that Breggie could also play 3b and even 1b and even of, but the plan was to keep him at 2b. Devers shoulder continued to heal alarmingly slow, and so the plan was to start the season with Devers at DH while he recovered. Breggie slid over to 3b. Eventually, for no reason, things got escalated and wires got crossed and mountains were made about molehills, that all happened prior to Casas injury, so 1b wasnt considered. That was jsut people here oft repeating their preferred defensive alignments. But as soon as it kind of settled down and Devers accepted that his shoulder looked scary and its a when not an if he gets severely hurt 3b playing defense before the next offseason, and because breggie, it would make sense for devers to dh rest of season. This is when Casas got hurt Then they asked him to play 1b as if it would be the magical solution, but he saw himself as a 3b playing dh until his shoulder got ready. He never lost the job because of performance. That was never communicated to him. That was just assumptions from people here who thought it made too much sense to not do.