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I don't think any GM is allowed to trade a starting position player for a reliever unless he's the last piece in a title run... even trading minor league starting position players for bullpen help is too risky (cough, Gleybar Torres). There may even be an adage against trading for starting pitchers, since they're all one elbow tweak away from anchors you can't drop. I do think Cleveland will trade Lindor, though, as he becomes their own Betts' situation (hey, Boston: that's Cleveland, as in mid-market franchise...) Regarding Bogaerts, how would diehard Sox fans feel about him if he didn't want to opt out after a few more years in suckitude? Sure, he's already got two rings and he loves Boston, but as much as we love him, do we really want a leader who's complacent? Can we realistically expect anyone in his prime to have the fire to gut it out and fly the phoenix out the ashes?
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That was just an example, but of a team on the verge of contention that could use a star shortstop to get them closer to the top. For a market like Cincy, a guy like Bogie, who is under contract at 20 mil per through 2026, may be more palatable than trying to sign soon-to-be-free agents Lindor, Corea or Story. You've got to give up something to get something. I'm surprised no one has consulted the trade site yet... (I thought about Cleveland, and how Clevinger and Pleasc may be suddenly available, since that organization doesn't tolerate nonsense)
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Too many question marks to expect any semblance of respectability in '21. If Sale looks good a year from now, then we can have hopes that Bloom will make moves with an eye towards 2022. But I still think it will take something radical, like trading Bogaerts before he opts out in a package that nets someone like Luis Castillo (an All-Star pitcher under-30, controlled through '24). However, the only way for the Sox to deal their best player -- again -- and stay competitive in the standings and turnstiles, would be to compensate with a major free agent signing... like Lindor. Cora would love that move, too.
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Devers looks nothing like the hitter who continually improved from the second half of 2018 through last season. Injuries or weight issues aside, he is swinging at way too many pitches out of the zone, while pulling his head and missing strikes. There is no more approach to stay on the ball and take it to left with authority, and he looks befuddled, as if he keeps guessing wrong. Even his focus on defense has been inconsistent again. Bottom line: Devers appears lost without Alex Cora. Reviving a young slugger who led the majors in extra bases is just another legitimate reason for the Sox to consider bringing back Cora. If they don't, don't be surprised if Devers is part of a blockbuster trade to revive the roster.
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There is no rotation -- not on the mound, not on the ball...
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8/12 Rays @ Red Sox
5GoldGlovesOF,75 replied to vegasbob's topic in Mike Grace Memorial Game Thread Forum
Sox yield their quota of 8 runs by the 4th inning tonight... Godley gave up 6 on three home runs, but luckily Roenickie pulled him after the 7th run before it was too late. -
8/12 Rays @ Red Sox
5GoldGlovesOF,75 replied to vegasbob's topic in Mike Grace Memorial Game Thread Forum
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True, but they were one of the few clubs that could afford to pay a great player about to enter his prime. And as soon as they got him, they bowled him over with a longterm extension to secure his superstar services for a long time. The move basically ensured their status as a contender for the length of his contract -- ...any of this sound familiar to current fans on opposite coasts?
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In the recent past, the right deal was Pavano and Armas for Pedro Martinez, or Fossum, Lyons, DeLaRosa for Schilling, or Moncada and Kopech for Chris Sale. It's amazing how many borderline Hall of Fame pitchers the modern Red Sox acquired for prospects. But all those trades came when Boston was a contender, and rebuilding also-rans could no longer afford their star players. The Dodgers, looking for a push over the top, swung one of those steals last winter. The Sox are the rebuilding non-contender now. This time, they're going to have no choice but to give up quality for quantity. They already started the process moving Mookie; why stop now?
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I just don't see any position player acquisitions, unless marketing feels the need for a splash signing (like maybe Springer). The only way the Red Sox can get back to respectability -- not even true contention -- but just 2019 mediocrity, is to restock the pitching staff with MLB talent. We can only hope ERod is ok, but how can anyone count on him when not even doctors or scientists know which end is up (is it Covid-19 or Covid-61)? Right now I have more confidence of contributions in '21 from DHern and Taylor than ERod. Even with Eovaldi and Perez back, Boston will need three viable big league starters. There's no way the suddenly frugal owners will let Bloom splurge on three free agent pitchers, so expect a winter blockbuster... Tampa during Chaim's time always adhered to the old Branch Rickey adage of trading players a year too soon rather a year too late. Everyone is on the block. Except maybe Arauz...
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Good point -- and ironically revealing about this awfence... but I don't think even Wade Boggs would come up for his first cup of coffee and try to show he can be a big leaguer by working a base on balls (though the chicken man is so stubborn at the plate, he'd do it out of principle). We spoiled Sox fans want the toe-tapping, .400-hitting, A-ball Duran! I mean, Charlie Blackman's almost batting .500 in The Show... Post-script: Remember JBJ's MLB debut Opening Day 2013 when he walked three times (equaling Carl Crawford's entire 2012 Red Sox walk total)? Man, that Jackie was a selective hitter...
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I don't know about easily -- Duran could tap as many weakly hit grounders, but with his speed he just may beat enough out to equal Beni's two hits...
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Still skeptical about Blair's Lake effect velo. If this was winter, it'd be two feet of snow...
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I'm a dinosaur, too, but I've come around to WAR -- where starters that eat innings are always more valuable than relievers because of one factor: outs recorded. Even if you have a good opener in a game, you still have to hope you have a good bulk guy the same day, then other multiple relievers who are also on or not too burned out from previous nights... as opposed to a good starter who can throw effectively three times through the order. Which is more reliable -- a starter who regularly goes six or Notin's Little League format of two guys who throw three frames each? Even if the latter combo is on a regular rotation together, like opener/bulker every five games, you're still relying on twice as many fickle, fluctuating human beings.
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This is half-serious: did you have an actual rotation or did the coaches give every single kid on the roster a turn on the mound? The latter is encouraged at lower levels... thus, walkathons where youngsters not really sure they love baseball learn to love picking daisies.
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Dalbec's trade value has probably taken a hit -- or at least stalled -- with no minors and development this summer (as opposed to if, say, he hit 30 homers at Triple A). But as a sight-unseen prospect, is he worth more than Chavis, who has hit bombs in the bigs and been exploited by MLB advance scouting and pitching?
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Even as the team continues to lose, fans should expect to see more of the trade bait players showcased. It won't be as palatable as watching prospects with an eye on the future, but the return in deals will hopefully net more potential. After the deadline, we might see call-ups, as well as regular playing time for guys like Verdugo (who should never be platooned) and Arauz.
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In traditional rotations, there are usually five or six pitchers who get the majority of starts throughout a season. I've been a fan for over half a century, and this is the first version of a Red Sox pitching staff that has no rotation. Eovaldi and Perez are Boston's two starters. Two. The rest is one big revolving door. But when you talk about destruction, don't you know that you can count me out (in).
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Bases hung over.
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Imagining discussion among the stalwarts and contagious warts in the Red Sox bullpen...(respectfully borrowed from "Ball Four"): "How do you hold your doubles?"
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If the ages 28-32 represent a big leaguer's prime, can we expect most of Boston's lineup to at least slightly improve? Based on that traditional range, here's the Red Sox' not-quite-ready-for-prime-timers: Chavis 24, Peraza 26, Bogie 27, Devers 23, Beni 25, Verdugo 24. By next season, the old-timer on the field could be Vazquez at 30, with Jarren Duran, 24, probably manning center field. Sox fans can hardly wait until next year (all we need is for Bloom to somehow resurrect the '95 Braves starting rotation...).
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One stat most concerning from game announcers is that the Red Sox lead the majors in percentage of swings and misses at pitches out of the strike zone. This has been a trend for awhile -- at least the two-strike, low-and-away slider or change-up. Even in their great year, guys like JD and Bogie from the right side, and Devers, Moreland and JBJ from the left, seemed like dead meat at junk they could never lay off; if I had one of them down in the count, I'd never throw a fastball. I know this is indicative of modern batters, and the way batteries approach them, but the fact that Boston is dead last in flailing is a bad sign. JD has struggled without his ipad, Devers is hacking like a rookie (hoping a pitch hits his sweet spot), and Beni has never been this dismal. At least there's hope that contact types like Verdugo and Peraza will continue to improve once they get used to their new team and league.
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But how can they possibly beat the Twins in the playoffs? (except just show up...)
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Pol- shut the front door! Just the facts, man: Cora lost his job for something that happened before he was manager of the Red Sox, that was devised before he was coach of the Astros.
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I argued this all winter, and a few posters agreed. The Red Sox just let go their best cornerstone player to build around in 50 years, a guy on the verge of his prime who already proved his sustained value with the highest WAR for a rightfielder at his age in the history of baseball. He was so good he somehow priced himself out of one of the top five MLB markets on the planet. Devers was historic for one season... do you lock him up now -- before it's cost prohibitive -- but also take the chance he has weight issues and/or focus factors? Or if you fear the latter, do you maximize his trade value? He only has to duplicate his elite production for another half decade to approach Mookie's accomplishments...
