5GoldGlovesOF,75
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Sometimes good teams are so deep in a wealth of talent they have no choice but to lose a good prospect or two, who are blocked by winners above replacements. But of all the unprotected pro ballplayers eligible for the Rule V draft, the first overall pick comes from another last place team? Very unusual. Could amount to nothing. But of the two last place clubs involved in the Ward transaction, one has the chance to look really clever (the $100K fee is about 13% of minimum wage for a rookie). The other has a chance to look totally incompetent.
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You might even say those trades have struck brown, so far (as in sediment in the pan). But can't you see they've struck green, as well? The Red Sox don't have to pay any of those big leaguers their market rates.
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Never guzzle a DQ Mister Misty Freeze
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Houston let Cy Old walk, McCullers is already sore, Seattle is loaded and hungry (and not for late-night breakfast). Astros may be vulnerable in '23... unless they play New York in the playoffs, of course.
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Being high and speculating is who we are! I'm high on orange juice right now, in honor of FLA ST... Boston vs. Boston pro-am (Sox prospects vs. college kids) tomorrow!
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A team drafting a Rule V guy has to pay $100K to the original club. Do you honestly think any MLB org would rather pay for Park or Hosmer, or just wait until they were DFAed? Or were the Red Sox intentionally leaving guys unprotected that they were hoping to make some money on?
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The isn't or shouldn't be a debate about whether Song or Ward or Politi become All-Star ace starters or never make it. The point is that the organization that decided to lose them just came in last place twice in the past three years -- mainly because of brutal pitching -- while continually stating a goal to build for the future. And instead, they protected guys like Braiser and Ort, not to mention others they since jettisoned like Park and Hosmer...
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Maybe someone can clear this up for me: if the Phils or Nats decide not to keep Song or Ward, they can first put them on waivers, from where every other club can grab them... if nobody does, then they have to be offered back to Sox for half the Rule V drafting fee? If another team claims them, does this new club then have to keep them on their MLB roster all year or the whole process repeats?
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That hasn't happened yet, either. But you and I have already been through the Song songs. He was the best pitcher on Team USA a few years back, on a staff with several other hopefuls who have since developed into MLB-ready or close to it. But I agree, it doesn't make sense for a club going all-in to win a ring to keep a guy on the roster unless he's definitely part of the solution.
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If a defending pennant winner keeps a guy all year while trying to win in October, he must be good. If another last-place club -- with the worst record in the majors -- keeps a guy all year, after taking him with the first overall pick... it makes my head explode more. Especially because his new team -- also obviously rebuilding like Boston -- won a championship more recently with a presumably sharp front office.
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If either Ward or Song sticks with a big league team this year, it should be considered an utter failure by the Red Sox front office. Boston was coming off a last place finish with a crappy pitching staff -- and with an oft-stated goal of developing young, affordable players from the farm system as the core of sustainable contenders. To lose any legitimate young MLB arms while instead keeping recycled roster fillers simply to field a team is unacceptable.
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A Realistic View of 2023: Part II
5GoldGlovesOF,75 replied to moonslav59's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
Calling last year's pitching staff MASH bad luck would be ignoring the odds of recruiting and relying upon old and rehabbing starters -- which basically all of us here were worried about as early as March. The mediocre minor leaguers called up as replacements also reflected a lack of organizational depth and planning. I loved watching Sale when he ruled, and respect the achievements of Kluber and Paxton. It would great if Whitlock or Bello (who didn't just excel but dominated at every level) emerge as All-Stars. Houck was perfect the final weekend in '21, MIA in Toronto in '22. Pivetta led the AL in starts last year and was a '21 postseason hero. ST is a time of optimism, but rationally, we can all see why this rotation still has a lot of downside this year... -
Whether you like Rodon or not, he has to be the only reason anyone thinks the below-.500 Yankees from the second half of '22 are the mffavorites again to win the World Series? What other improvements have been made in the Bronx that make this season the one where they even get to the World Series for the first time since '09?!?!?! Rodon was a splashy addition, but New York lost other members of the pitching staff that was great in the first half and mediocre after that. Maybe they can rotate 3 or 4 shortstops like they did in the playoffs; that oughta do it.
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I know, I know... there's only so much posters can write about this time of year after "If, if, if..." But when reporters get dissed off by ownership and gripe about it, it's certainly fodder for forums called talksox...
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You mean so far... ... could the wasted $6mil spent elsewhere be worth 6 more wins last year? What if two of those were against Tampa -- how's that for a wild card?
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Or added the $10 mil to the one-year Bogaerts offer. See, this is what fans mean when they acknowledge the Red Sox are still spending -- and still wasting.
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A Realistic View of 2023: Part II
5GoldGlovesOF,75 replied to moonslav59's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
That sounds like the BoSox in '21... ... except now they're in a division with only one team over .500 in '22... -
A Realistic View of 2023: Part II
5GoldGlovesOF,75 replied to moonslav59's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
Which Sox? Fangraphs gives Boston a 30.7% chance to make the playoffs, which is better than Chicago's 27.8%. Are the White Sox, with more under-30 regulars, really a bigger underdog to win the supposedly weaker AL Central? Potential break-outs or bounce-backs in or on the verge of their primes: CWS -- Anderson, Jimenez, Robert, Moncada, Vaughn, Sheets, plus pitchers Cease, Kopech, Giolito vs.BRS -- Devers, Yoshida, Casas, Verdugo, Arroyo? plus pitchers Bello, Whitlock, Houck. Chicago's closer is ill, but both Cease and Giolito have received recent Cy Young votes. At least Pivetta led the league in starts last year. Predictions must really be banking on comebacks from Boston's old rehabbing pitchers... -
I was thinking more of acquisitions the industry knows aren't ready when you get them: Schwarber -- worth it; Paxton -- not yet; Mondesi -- iffy (speed guy with blown ACL).
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A Realistic View of 2023: Part II
5GoldGlovesOF,75 replied to moonslav59's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
Yours is realistic, but we know they have to stay in the running for a wild card to keep sales and viewership up. But can we agree there's no way Bloom or ownership sit on their hands again at the deadline this summer? If the Sox suck, look for a fire sale -- at least with any attractive bullpen pieces... -
Reply to your first statement: that was my exact point with these revolving rosters. Reply to your last: disagree -- Bloom isn't waiting, but always hoping for a player's upside. That's the ceiling when picking up pieces off the floor.
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A Realistic View of 2023: Part II
5GoldGlovesOF,75 replied to moonslav59's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
Compete for what... place these in their most likely order: 1. Tickets, concessions, parking, merchandise sales 2. TV viewers 3. #1 overall draft pick lottery 4. Fourth place 5. Wild Card 6. 2 wins away from going to the World Series 7. rings -
Good thing we have a lot of flexibility. As soon as Arroyo gets hurt, we'll have Dalbec or Turner or Wong at second... or we could move Duran back to the infield, as his speed will be more in play with no shifts (don't worry about his arm; we've been told speed offsets a weak arm... run the ball over to first, even from deep in the hole). Or Kike could slide over to second, with Chang or Dalbec at short. We just have to get by while waiting on Mondesi -- Bloom's latest not-ready-for-on-time acquisition.
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Today's column about Henry missing the point about fan frustration reflects a true narrative. At least, for this fan. I'm looking forward to another baseball season, but does the owner honestly think we should feel good about a season featuring as many as five guys out of position on the field? "The Red Sox are attempting to build a sustained winner, but there's skepticism that the farm system can support it. While we wait, we're being force-fed yet another stopgap roster prioritizing depth and versatility over talent, and we'll probably do it all again next year. Foundational homegrown stars keep walking out the door with little (Mookie Betts) or nothing (Bogaerts) to show for it." "Chaim Bloom's roster feels like mixing two sets of puzzles and then wondering why only half the pieces fit... maybe we simply don't like what we see." https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/red-sox/red-sox-owner-john-henry-entirely-misses-point-why-fans-are-angry
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I'm just dreading City Connect weekend.
