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They were almost identical players in terms of value, and Xander is coming off a down year in which not a lot of big market teams are chasing talented short stops. I don’t think inflation will help Xander, maybe maybe he gets 25
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I think Bogeys season is going to hurt him a little, but GMs aren’t stupid they know how talented he is. I think he gets around 23-25 per year for 6-8
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Oh I stand corrected, Keith Law had the Sox system ranked 24th in 2019 but this was early 2019 before Bloom took over. Not sure of the top of my head who was traded away if feel from grace that year
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It was arguably the worse farm in MLB. They were ranked dead last or bottom 5 by every publication.
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Kike will likely be much cheaper. I can see Narvaez instead of Contreras, and Kike over Haniger and still resigning Bogey (or Turner) and bringing in Nimmo. Offer QO's to Eovalid/Wacha. If they accept great, that's one year and money coming off we will need for Devers. Of course, if the Sox are going over the tax limit next year they don't have to wait until the next season to resign Devers. That's another great reason to go over the luxury tax this year. Because you can spend a boatload of money to improve this team and punt Devers into next season.........But more of your money is going to players already on this team and not ADDING, if you're going to be over it anyways extend Devers now. I think they're going to make an honest effort to keep both Devers and Bogaerts, but call it 50/50 one of them walks.
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Why do we have to stay under the tax line? Sox often go above it. I don't want to be accused of blasphemy but I think it might be time to move on from Kike, he's a career .730 OPS guy, and a year after he plays a record amount he starts breaking down. I guess we can talk about health concern with Haniger too but I just don't Kike is built to be a long term starter. Narvaez?????????? I can get on board with that. I think a McGuire/Narvaez battery could be very good in Boston.
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I’d agree that signing all four isn’t very realistic. This more a boys Christmas wish list. But I don’t think those guys break 20 million. I think All 3 of Contreras, Nimmo, Haniger can be had for around 17-18
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This is based on last year's average salary per war of 5.9. We were able to sign a player like a Story for several million below that number. Players still want to play here but I figured inflation would cancel that out. Between that and rounding UP I figured that was a fair trade-off. I'm wondering if Wacha has played himself into a QO. it's pretty risky, but he's looking pretty good this year and looked like he didn't skip a beat after his last start. Given the thin market for starting pitching it's entirely plausible to offer both him and Nate a QO. If they accept great, if they decline it makes signing two free agents with a loss of a draft pick attached that much easier. I don't think the rotation can count on Paxton, but I was so interested to see what he could do. If the elbow is fine I think they might consider picking up that option...but maybe not depending on what else they need and if they need that money elsewhere.
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I don't want longer years either. Even if you get a little bit more payroll flexibility do you really want to be paying a guy 14 years from now? Betts could fall off a cliff in 2-3 years for all we know, even if he still has a really good career he could slow down in 6 and you'd still have to live with millions every year for more than half a decade. If I'm giving a guy 12 years he better be in his mid 20's.
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There's really not much of a market for starting pitching unless you want to make a run at DeGrome or Verlander. As good as a season as Verlander is having I wouldn't touch his 40 year old arm. Unfortunately you have to live with Sale, and hope he's healthy. This is why I want to explore the trade market and get a young cost controlled pitcher. The rest absolutely fits in with the budget. Bogaerts/Nimmo/Haniger/Contreras probably costs you about $75-$80 which means you could do all that and have a guy accept a QO before going over the luxury tax. That might be cutting it close, but odds are the Sox plan on going over and have 20 million more afterward until the next threshold. This seems like the best offseason to go big. When is the next time you're going to have $100 million to spend, good free agents at your exact holes, and most of the big market teams seemingly looking to have a quiet offseason? If you don't go big now, then there really isn't ever a time to do so. I like winning.
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The only way you can win without one is if you have that level of talent under team control. You're never going to have that unless you spend time building up your farm system. Two conflicting concepts for many posters in here.
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Well if you offer Eovaldi a QO you already have 4 starters on your roster before you factor in Bello/Houk/Crawford/Seabold. And, I did say I'd like to see a trade for a pitcher. There's plenty of money in the budget. They likely have somewhere around 95-100 million to spend this offseason. And most of their main competition has nowhere near that much money.
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True, I would give Nathan a QO, and I'd be happy if he took it and if he doesn't. I don't want to touch the bullpen, what I mean by that is, I'm not ready to give suggestions. I hate investing money in the pen, it seems more than any other function in baseball money spent on the bullpen is often wasted. These guys are so volatile from year to year. I'd have faith in Schreiber next year and I'm hoping Barnes can make a comeback. I think the Sox have talent percolating up to the top that can really help out in the pen. Braisers velo seems to be back up, and I really like Houck/Bello in there as well. But the Sox might want to keep Bello as a starter. If Barnes can even get back to 75% of the guy he was I like Schreiber/Houck/Barnes/Braiser there......but I think you still need to add one more piece to really solidify that pen.
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I'd rather go big, I want to sign Contreras, Haniger, Nimmo, and resign Bogaerts. Lineup. CF: Brandon Nimmo 3B: Rafael Devers ss: Xander Bogaerts RF: Mitch Haniger 2nd: Trevor Story LF: Alex Verduo C: Wilson Contreras DH: Duran/Dalbec/Hosmer 1B: Tristan Casas. If you have no faith in Paxton resign Wacha, and trade for a #2 pitcher. Rotation: Sale #2 Wacha/Paxton Pivetta Whitlock.
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Red Sox trade Hunter Renfroe in trade involving Jackie Bradley Jr
Hugh2 replied to Jasonbay44's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
Renfroe WAR is 2.1 and JBJ is -.1 Might be fairer to say it cost us 2-3 wins, which is still significant when you consider how close we are to a wild card spot. I have a hard time factoring in other right-fielders because that's also a function of Kike getting hurt. -
When half your AAV is on the DL it’s not an excuse? First of all, that’s absurd. Second of all, I never used the word “excuse” that’s y’all words. I said it was a fact. It’s, the Sox have the most money on the DL this year and are up there for number of days lost. That’s going to effect any team. We can talk forever about the extent to that effect but it’s illogical to not conclude it doesn’t have an effect. Besides Bogaerts, the best players on the Sox have been injured either all or some of the year. With some guys who are supposed to be your ace out all year. That’s not the only reason this team is out of first place, but it’s a large part of why they’re.
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Oddly enough many of the big market teams (effectively all of them) have VERY little money coming off the books while the Sox have over 100 million to spend (depending on options and opt outs). It’s literally the perfect storm to go big. I also find it interesting that in year that will have far less suitors an MVP caliber free agent is coming to market in a position of desperation for the Sox and everyone is scared of big contracts. We need to be in on the Judge sweepstakes to at the very least drive the price up for NY
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It’s all relative. Who is underperforming? Is it the middle of the order SS? Or the CFer you expected to bat 9th? And who’s getting injured? A middle reliever? Or the guy you expected to be your ace? With this team it’s highly debatable. Regardless, those two things combined (under performance and injury) are by far and large the difference maker between last year and this year.
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So should we strive to be more like the Yankees? Would you say they’ve been more or less successful than the Red Sox I’m the John Henry era?
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It’s also worth noting many key players who have remained healthy have underperformed as well
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So there’s one. So it’s possible. Now, is that the norm? Or would you say teams that sustain significant injuries have a harder time competing? And last time I checked the Sox aren’t out of the wild card race so, while we’re not the 2019 Yankees, we are competitive
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The greater argument is injury Impacts record. More injuries, and better players effect it more. If you think you can lose your ACE, lose a lead off hitter, or lose a middle of the order bat and be fine, then work that in reverse. Why do you need to acquire those guys? Seriously no point in getting a RF/CF this off-season let’s just get a bunch of back ups. Starting pitching???? Excuses we got plenty of guys in AAA who can start? Extend Bogaerts? Blahhhh just thrown downs in there.
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Was that over 100 million?
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You would think any fan would pause at that an day, huh…how come major trades aren’t made earlier? It’s not like some teams are doing it and other aren’t but rather it simply doesn’t happen. You would think there’s a reason for that, even if you couldn’t under why it would be basic human instinct to recognize that pattern. When people hate someone, they will find any reason to criticize and critique them. Just because we see the fallacy in their arguments and the absurdity of it all doesn’t mean we think Bloom is perfect or should t come without criticism. But then again….only Sith deal with absolutes.
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When? When did the Yankees have over $100 million on the DL and remained competitive