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I believe I made a bet with you that the Mets would reset. THey will not, they'd have to trade to do so. I don't think they plan on it either. I will lose that bet. But as of right now, it seems that the other teams not named NYM plan on resetting every 2-3 years. That's the new mold. Except for LAD who got screwed last year. Maybe that takes them out of the running for Ohtani?
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I'ts not giving them credit. It's not a popularity contest. It's math. You can't change the fact that the Sox went over last year. If you look at the long-term picture over the last 5 seasons the Sox remain one of baseballs biggest spenders. Yes or no. Do you actually think the Sox are going to constantly turn into a middling team 14th in payroll every year????
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Actually, the Dodgers did cut payroll enough to reset this year. They were blindsided by Trevor Bauer being reinstated. That money back on their books put them over the limit for this year. If that had not happened, they would be under the cap this year.
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Strahm was a reliever no one complained about not resigning here. If the Sox signed him as a starter this offseason Bloom would have been cauterized. Might be one of the best offseason moves so far.
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Sox are under cap by $16 million in a reset year. Yeah....that's not what small market teams do.
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You know why, it's not about how many but how often.
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I don't define "top spenders" based on one year soley, but rather what they've done on the long term. Sox JUST went over the luxury tax and have stated again and again that they will continue to do so in the future. Resetting is natural, its' to be expected. If the Sox continue to slash payroll next year then you conspiracy theorists will be proven right. But I'd be willing to wager the Sox go above the luxury tax again next year.
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That's totally unfair after just complaining about Moon being misleading. It's a reset year for them, if we want to have an honest conversation about this, it doesn't start by using a one year sample size in a reset year. They were 6th last year. 6th the year before that, and 4th the year before that. Then they were 1st. So whats the 5 year average? You strike me as one of the more intelligent posters in here. Do you honestly believe they're not going to jump back into the top 5-7 next year?
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Yeah but you also can't take that away either. You can't argue what they've spent. I understand what you're saying but on top of the 650 the Sox have a long history of being top spenders. The argument is how they spend their money. No one can say "they don't spend money" because that's simply not true. Sox are big spenders.
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Well I think it also shows that's not so much that the team failed to address the rotation this offseason, but they've done a piss poor job of developing, acquiring, and locking up good pitching talent for some time now. If the market stinks one year, you should have a couple of guys you can rely on and add depth or middling talent. The Red Sox rotation needed a complete rebuild and the only ACE potential talent either had significant age risk (Verlander), significant injury risk (DeGrome) or unknown risk (Senga). This is why developing pitching is becoming more important. Teams are locking up their guys more and more. The Sox need to serious address this problem. They already have, unfortunately it takes years to develop guys.
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Without a doubt Kluber is not looking like a great signing, but right now there does'n't seem to have been a better option out there that can't be filled by the talent on this roster. Now obviously guys like DeGrome or Senga could look pretty darn good by the end of the year. But does anyone really want to pay DeGrome when we are on the cusp on getting out from ONE pitchers contract who can't stay healthy????
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Roki Sasaki sounds like the most interesting guy since Ohtani but I don't think he's getting posted until 2027
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One thing about the offseason is......what pitcher did they leave on the table that's lighting the world on fire and would look like a #1 leader?
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That's a misleading list. Those moves stretch out over 4 years and include trades and free agency. Have they not spent money elsewhere??? The argument comes down to HOW they spend their money, not whether or not they do.
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It was still a complete reverse pivot of what everyone said the Sox would do back then. This was after they let John Lester walk and they were signing the mediocre guys to mid-term deals like Hanley and the Panda and then they went ahead and set the market. We can hate the moves they make, the trades, the signings, and how they spread the money around but we can't refute that year in and year out on average they are a top spender, top 5 for a few decades now. It's not outlandish to suggest they would seriously make a run at him. Or maybe......Yamamoto is their guy? https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/02/mlb-rumors-yoshinobu-yamamoto-ace-japan-npb-posted-2023.html
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But at the time Price was the highest. Point still stands. Maybe it won’t be with Ohtani, maybe it won’t be next year, maybe it will be with whoever replaces Bloom if he’s fired this year. But the Sox will strike again.
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I will demand tribute from all when Ohtani comes to Boston.
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Yes, but San Diego will be three years over next year. They will reset. I think it's safe to say the other New York team will not be. Maybe SD surpasses us long term maybe they do not but for now I'd say we are 4th in firepower. The Sox could sign Ohtani if they wanted. It's all going to come down to that. He's marketable, he will bring in money, it's an investment beyond his on-field production, and he fills two huge needs on this team. The Sox have every reason and should go hard after Ohtani. I'll be disappointed if they don't. I did think they would make one big FA deal this offseason. They did not. So my record is less than perfect.
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Because why not reset after two? there could be a whole host of reasons why, some make more sense than others. To me the blunder was not resetting this past year. But If I'm going to stay true to my Ohtani theory, you'd want to reset THIS year if you wanted to go big after him next year. Maybe they didn't like this years FA class and figured it made sense to reset now. GO big on Ohtani.
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If you go back and look at payroll every single year, Sox are pretty much always in the top 5 or 7 and sometimes the top 3. The Dodgers and the Yankees are the only team consistently ahead of us. All other teams that beat us yearly on average are below us when you go by multi year. If you take a weighted average you can and should say the Sox are 3rd in payroll. In terms of payroll fire power. Now, I think we can preemptively put them down to 4 because you have to assume NYM is going to outspend them now. But LA may be resetting next year because Bauer reinstated and screwed them. It could be between us and NY, unless another west coast team wants to go big. I think Ohtani can be sold on coming to Boston. Find out who his best friend is and sign him. Maybe we can put together a really nice gift basket.
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Going by one year in a reset year is misleading. I think you have to take a 4-5 year average. I'm betting Sox are top 5 at least top 7 there. Maybe more.
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Lol, whatever you guys think. I’m a no bull kind of guy, I’ll swallow my socks when I’m wrong. Something this forum can use more of. Past doesn’t predict the future, my point, which you just reiterated I’m your take. The Sox even said they were setting themselves up for the future. If you took them at their word, it made sense to resign Devers, and you could tell they legit wanted to resign Bogaerts. They just waited too long to get serious and were outbid at this point. The whole “they trade everyone I like, they are small market now, and won’t resign any of their good players” was precisely a cynical take. At least own it. I’ll own my bads. Let’s set a high bar in here.
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What 15 teams are ahead of them? And it’s a reset year, they will go back over next year. This team like every other team not named NYM has reset every two years to set themselves up to spend big. That’s a FACT.
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I have a pretty good record when I make a hard stand. Last time I did so was when I said the Sox would definitively resign Devers when almost NO ONE said they would. Because they let their recent cynicism drive their opinion. Throw that out the window.
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Oh so now we don’t want high end talent? Or do we want high end talent that magically signs for peanuts. Like the umpire last night. That’s an inconsistent take. Ohtani gives you a premium bat, and an ace to lead the rotation. We have reset the cap this year, and the farm is supposedly supposed to trickle in around 2024. It’s literally the perfect time to go big. I took a hold stand in 2015. I was the only person who passionately believed the Sox were about to go in and sign David Price. I was insulted and laughed at, and they did JUST that. Everytime you guys think you have Henry figured out he turns around and does the thing you think he wouldn’t. Don’t let the last few years drive your cynicism drive your rational. Ohtani in Boston is very possible.