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Sox have signed their 6th 7th and 9th round picks
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But, did they have a top farm system? Or did they trade all their young guys away?
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It certainly does create a perplexing situation. No one likes a quitter and fans always want a winner, I could get on board with the ideal of ownership actually followed through on going big next year and added viable pieces. It’s also the classic instant gratification vs. long term reward dilemma. Which is an argument I’d normally make, however it gets tougher to make that argument if you finish in last place 3 out of 4 years.
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Why care about developing pitching when you can just trade your assets for pitching
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It has been very good, which is why I’m more confident they won’t trade for an ACE this deadline.
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I like the shorter window.
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My draft report card Red Sox A+++++++++ Everyone else F-
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Awesome lets trade him.
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Ok fine BUT why spend all those assets just to pay the guy money, when you have a ton of top pitching talent on the free agent market you can just give the money too next year? I don't like it.
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This is true, but they've also been operating under their plan of building sustainable success. Criticize the execution and the results but they've been trying to do just that. Build up the farm and add short-term pieces to control the finances. If they believe in this young core, and they believe their improved farm is ready to start helping in the coming years then it isn't outside that plan to switch gears and add that piece this offseason. The Sox are notorious for switching gears every several years. That directive comes from Henry, not Bloom, in the end he can tell Bloom what to do, maybe not specifically but he does. Maybe Bloom isn't that guy, then Henry fires him and brings someone in who will. But If I was a betting man, I'd be willing to wager the Sox go out and buy an ACE this offseason.
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It’s like having the money to buy a brand new car but spending all of it decking out your 300k 1991 Honda accord
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These trade proposals just scream hiking a 13,000’foot mountain and turning around at 12,000 feet. Why trade so much future for 1-2 years. When you can keep your future and emulate exactly what you want to trade for in next years free agent class, which is more flush with pitching than we’ve seen for a very very very long time. It’s like buying a house a month before you know the market is going to crash. Sorry. But I’m holding onto Bello, Casas, Perales, Anthony, Mayer, Duran, and I’m signing a front line starter this offseason. Maybe Verdugo is tradeable if you want to go out and sign Teoscar Hernandez this offseason.
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I don't think you can count on any prospect who is that far away, but that also means their value is that much less to other teams as well. Even if Perales doesn't turn into a stud there's still a very good chance his value significantly increases while he is in the minors. I just don't think the ideal of trading guys with big ceilings but low value because they're far away.
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Perales was also promoted to Greenville, I expect him to start getting some helium real soon if he keeps pitching the way he is.
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Most guys aren't when they're coming from where he is and far away. Bello didn't enter the top 100 until he was 22. Why do you think he's not that high end? is there another reason or is it just his prospect ranking?
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He will get his team behind the dish, they still have Hedges.
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Apparently theres' a very stark difference between highschool and college catchers taken in the first round. Teel is a relatively safe pick...with upside.
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agreed, but how much is that really worth? especially on a losing team, because at some point you're going to have to pay to put a team around him too.
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If I'm trading high end guys like Perales, I need more than 1.5 years of team control from a guy.
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So an 18 year old was injured once and now he's possibility our best pitching prospect in terms of the ceiling and we want to trade him? Also, how many innings do international guys typically put up in their first year? It certainly isn't a red flag at the very least.
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I read this earlier today. I used to have a huge bias against drafting catchers, now I feel really really really good about this pick.
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He'd have to be putting up 10 WAR seasons for 10 years+ to be worth that. He might do that for a few years. But there's no way he's pitching and hitting like an ACE years from now, at some point he very well may end up converting to a one way player at some point in that contract. I also happen to think the bidding wont' get that outrageous, I think a number around 500-550 is more realistic.
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So is a lot of guys that come from the DSL have to put on the 40-man. Think of it this way, he's only 20. He's just starting to ramp up his innings and I don't think he's missed any significant time. But he has some of the most elite pure stuff in the system, he misses bats and can strike guys out. I'm not ready to trade our highest upside arm when his value is very low because he's far away. And, players like this don't get traded as often now a days because teams feel the same way, and the return team usually values close to MLB talent much higher. I mean, we've seen this team deviod of pitching talent, and have complained about it for a long long time, so it seems kind of moving backward to start trading our promising young pitching now. ' Lastly, as we can clearly see yesterday, Sox don't draft pitchers high. These DSL guys seem to be the system's best bet at developing high-end pitching. Looking pretty good with Bello right now.
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I’d rather trade a much lesser package for just Rosario (who I’ve proposed trading for in the past) and sign one of Urias/Giolito/Yama/Nola I really like Perales, you might be selling him for Pennie’s on the dollar at this point.
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We will now soon enough. I want to know what is “way under”??? Because he was a premium player ranked higher than where he was. I’d be surprised if it was for more than 300-400k. It also depends on what Call wants. If 600-800k gets him to go pro Sox got a real shot. Sometimes these ranked high school kids want first round money, which is why if they slip past the first round or two they just fall all the way until past the 10th. If he wants something in the 1.5-2 million range, it might be wishful thinkingz