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You're only proving my point, conversely no way anyone would assume the Sox are automatically spending 30 extra million a year in 2020/2021/2022/2023. You have to add/subtract from somewhere, my point was to illustrate how futile it is to use a players contract years after being traded away with team control years. That's a fans play, and in that spirit, my comment is very reasonable. And picking his worse season? lol dude, I picked the last 3 seasons, was I supposed to skip it? again, just another point in this being futile and subjective. And even if they still sign Arroyo, how much FWar does he really add, and to the point of my comment I can take out and add guys in there as I see fit, it's subjective. 30.4 million is 30.4 million and it's equally reasonable if not the most to assume that money goes somewhere. I wish the Mookie trade didn't happen, but the valuation we use against it doesn't make sense to me either, it's wrong. That doesn't make it a good trade by any means, those two comments aren't mutually exclusive.

I was against the trade, Mookie was and continues to be my favorite MLB player, so please don't mistake my playing devils advocate as an endorsement of the deal. But to answer your quesiton, I will ping back to a point I made in my tirade. This is highly subjective and likely never to die. The whole "face of the franchise" element to me means nothing if you're losing. Do you think the Angels would rather have Mike Trout or championships? People could say Bogaerts was the face of the franchise after he left, probably would have felt much more like it too if they went all the way in 2021. At the end of the day stars can help you win.....but winning makes good players stars. From the vantage point I provided, one could argue the Dodgers got fleeced in the deal, not that I would say that. The Sox lack of playoff success since has not been because of the Mookie Betts trade, it's been a vast combination of bad moves, trades, and underperformances from within. After all it's a team sport and LAA has shown having two of the best players in the universe means nothing if the rest of your moves stink. And after all, they would have to had made up an additional 15 FWar the last 3 seasons with Betts on this team and even money and where would that come from? Bobby Dalbec? Brandon Walter? IDK

But, then where is Casas going to play?

How much Fwar could one have bought with 30 million a year for the past 3 years? This is an argument that will probably never die, but I'm in the camp that you have to compare value over years of team control. If someone could convince me otherwise, then it's inherently logical to add what you can buy with the money spent on the other side of the equation. To me this makes an impossible mess. I could say the Sox spend 28 million in 2021 and got 15 WAR from Kike/Renfroe/Arroyo/Eovaldi/Verdugo/wong while Dodgers spent 30.4 million to get 3.9 WAR out of Betts. I could say in 2022 the Sox got 7.3 Fwar for only 30 million vs. Betts at 6.5 for Eovaldi/Hill/WAcha/Verdugo/Wong I could say in 2023 they got 8.1 WAR between Wong/Duvall/Paxton/Yoshida/Martin for only an additional 32.42 million, slightly more than 30.4 million for 6.1 FWar of Betts. I understand there's an argument against this, and I obviously just picked the best War performers who were picked up and matched the Salaries up, in some years negative wAR may drag these numbers down (I used Kike for some years not others). It's a mess. Still, I could say the Sox have got 30.3 FWar vs. Betts 16.5 FWar for about even money. Again, admittedly subjective, but if people want to include Betts past his team control years you have to figure in what his contract gets in in FA, as that is the opportunity cost of signing Betts here. So I'd argue it's fair, No way Henry is spending 30 extra million every years since 2020 just because Betts is on the roster. Maybe one year they do if they think they had a shot E.G. maybe they spend more in 2021.....who knows. At the end of the day, people much smarter than me like to weigh team control years, which seems reasonable. I understand why people want to include Betts contract years in that evaluation but if you do that you HAVE to add in what 30.4 Million gets you which is an impossible task to not be subjective but as I clearly proved from a certain vantage point you could say the Sox almost doubled their value in trading away Betts. 30 FWAR vs. 16 Fwar.

I don't know, this might trigger some people. Real talk.....that's a very damning report. At least it applies such.

Yeah, you're right, and I remember that now. They might change their rankings every month, but the scouting reports aren't updated as often. I think it's reasonable to assume the scouting reports are going to raise the ceiling for both Monegro and Perales. I just don't know how someone with that much swing and miss can't have MLB potential. He does.

Soxprospects have him pegged as a guy who is a minor-league depth arm. They also went from having him unranked to 29th so there is that. That's a lot of swing and miss.....makes me think they may change his scouting report at some point. Probably in the offseason, given his age and small track record, but he's been impressive.

That makes me feel a lot better, they're likely just being cautious. Now if he was having soreness in his elbow or shoulder it would be much more cause for concern.

It's is concerning that Perales has not pitched in over a week, haven't heard about any kind of injury however.

I'm not sure what is meant by as good of a chance as Perales. At becoming a big leaguer? perhaps, but Perales raw stuff is much better. Better fastball with more velocity, with a potential plus changeup with a lot more differential, amonst other advantages. The injury concern may be real, but given his age and nature of the injuries I'm not yet convinced he's "injury prone". Most pitchers will sustain some kind of injury at some point in their careers, the fact that it happens earlier could be a concern, or just a fluke. If it's a fluke, he really is just one year behind on ramping up his innings. Next year should be very telling for him. He could regress in rankings and become seen as more of a bullpen guy if he can not prove his durability, or he could progress into a top-100 prospect in all of baseball.

Exactly, I feel people get emotionally attached to people because they love their music, or they love them as an athlete etc etc etc. But in reality, they don't know those people AT ALL. For better or worse.

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My rule is they have to be closer to my age than my daughters, but I'm also a 41-year-old male at his sexual market value peak; so that gives me a slim window of 27-34. I won't go younger or higher. There also seems to be something about the number 15. Two of my ex-girlfriends dated men (they were 34 and 29) who were 15 years older than them and even my ex-wife dated a guy who was precisely 15 years older than her both before our marriage and currently.

That's fine, and that's fair, sometimes context and tone get lost through text so perhaps my own bias read that as someone who is just very skeptical and always thinks women and men make up false sexual assault allegations. This does happen, but the majority of the time that is not the case. I think everyone is due justice, and a chance to defend themselves, but the former actions are just an insult and a slap in the face to people who have been traumatized.

Why? Because you don't want something to be true doesn't make it so, also the fact that there are multiple accusers makes it much more likely that they're telling the truth, as sexual assaulters often strike often. Studies have shown that 92% of all sexual assault claims are legit, and that number increases when there are multiple accusers.

Yeah, it’s probably more than that, and they play the field as well. Strain on the human body isn’t all about abundance. You could run back and forth and be fine for one hour. Conversely you could exert yourself at full force for 30 seconds and sustain an acute injury. Load isn’t everything.

I'm not sure how much exhausting has to do with it. Maybe more so on any particular given day, but not on the day to day basis. There are different types of exercise and modes of physical activity. Yes, playing baseball isn't particularly demanding from an aerobic point of view, which is what you are getting at. But the act of swinging at a pitch, or going from standing still to darting to your rleft and diving with full force is very anaerobic, and that max level of effort can still be very taxing on the body. Particularly joints and ligaments. Rest can be very beneficial to people putting their bodies through that even if they're not sweating profusely from exercise.

He's also a lefty, maybe he crushes righties at the next level and a ref/Wil platoon = the same production as an all-star corner outfielder. Hey, the Gomes/Nava platoon was a wonderful thing. He can also back up other positions on top of the platoon too.

yeah you're right no point in even discussing him, but for only $3 million dollars there are a whole lotta more bad ideals out there. If he gave us 200 at bats this year this team might have won a few extra games and be in the playoffs right now.

I don't see him as a regular either, but I could be wrong, as can be everyone else. I like your assessment, a bench guy who gets 400 at-bats a season backing up all outfield positions and pinch-hitting. He's the type of guy that when you have on your roster you don't have to go out and throw money at Adam Duvall.

That's fair, it's true that sexual assaulters are more than ONE-time offenders so when multiple accusers step forward it is logical and probably increases the odds that the victims are telling the truth AND also true that people who are wealthy can be targets of false allegations. It's a weird situation to be in where a woman should get the benefit of the doubt, believe, and be treated like a victim but at the same time a guy's life shouldn't be ruined and he should receive due process (the later often does not happen). People seem to look at those two things as being mutually exclusive. I say this as a father to a boy, a girl, and as a survivor myself.

Or how about just don't touch children in general? Seems like a fair enough concept for most people. I know women lie about their age A LOT, it's happened to me before, although not such a stark difference, but I feel like you should be able to tell a 14 year old girl is underage.

I'm all for a buy low, but some things you just don't touch.

Yeah, that's definitely sexual predator status then if there are many coming forward. If it was just one I'd say there's a chance the allegations are false, but the odds of that dramatically drop when there are multiple accusers.

I mean, I wouldn't call him a pedophile, but certainly a predator, and enough of an age gap to make me think twice about signing him.