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These trade proposals just scream hiking a 13,000’foot mountain and turning around at 12,000 feet. Why trade so much future for 1-2 years. When you can keep your future and emulate exactly what you want to trade for in next years free agent class, which is more flush with pitching than we’ve seen for a very very very long time. It’s like buying a house a month before you know the market is going to crash. Sorry. But I’m holding onto Bello, Casas, Perales, Anthony, Mayer, Duran, and I’m signing a front line starter this offseason. Maybe Verdugo is tradeable if you want to go out and sign Teoscar Hernandez this offseason.

I don't think you can count on any prospect who is that far away, but that also means their value is that much less to other teams as well. Even if Perales doesn't turn into a stud there's still a very good chance his value significantly increases while he is in the minors. I just don't think the ideal of trading guys with big ceilings but low value because they're far away.

Perales was also promoted to Greenville, I expect him to start getting some helium real soon if he keeps pitching the way he is.

Most guys aren't when they're coming from where he is and far away. Bello didn't enter the top 100 until he was 22. Why do you think he's not that high end? is there another reason or is it just his prospect ranking?

He will get his team behind the dish, they still have Hedges.

Apparently theres' a very stark difference between highschool and college catchers taken in the first round. Teel is a relatively safe pick...with upside.

agreed, but how much is that really worth? especially on a losing team, because at some point you're going to have to pay to put a team around him too.

If I'm trading high end guys like Perales, I need more than 1.5 years of team control from a guy.

So an 18 year old was injured once and now he's possibility our best pitching prospect in terms of the ceiling and we want to trade him? Also, how many innings do international guys typically put up in their first year? It certainly isn't a red flag at the very least.

I read this earlier today. I used to have a huge bias against drafting catchers, now I feel really really really good about this pick.

He'd have to be putting up 10 WAR seasons for 10 years+ to be worth that. He might do that for a few years. But there's no way he's pitching and hitting like an ACE years from now, at some point he very well may end up converting to a one way player at some point in that contract. I also happen to think the bidding wont' get that outrageous, I think a number around 500-550 is more realistic.

So is a lot of guys that come from the DSL have to put on the 40-man. Think of it this way, he's only 20. He's just starting to ramp up his innings and I don't think he's missed any significant time. But he has some of the most elite pure stuff in the system, he misses bats and can strike guys out. I'm not ready to trade our highest upside arm when his value is very low because he's far away. And, players like this don't get traded as often now a days because teams feel the same way, and the return team usually values close to MLB talent much higher. I mean, we've seen this team deviod of pitching talent, and have complained about it for a long long time, so it seems kind of moving backward to start trading our promising young pitching now. ' Lastly, as we can clearly see yesterday, Sox don't draft pitchers high. These DSL guys seem to be the system's best bet at developing high-end pitching. Looking pretty good with Bello right now.

I’d rather trade a much lesser package for just Rosario (who I’ve proposed trading for in the past) and sign one of Urias/Giolito/Yama/Nola I really like Perales, you might be selling him for Pennie’s on the dollar at this point.

We will now soon enough. I want to know what is “way under”??? Because he was a premium player ranked higher than where he was. I’d be surprised if it was for more than 300-400k. It also depends on what Call wants. If 600-800k gets him to go pro Sox got a real shot. Sometimes these ranked high school kids want first round money, which is why if they slip past the first round or two they just fall all the way until past the 10th. If he wants something in the 1.5-2 million range, it might be wishful thinkingz

Well in my defense the majority of kids who fit his profile in recent years do NOT sign. 2022: 2 High Schoolers past the 10th round. Both did not sign. 2021: 2 High Schoolers past the 10th round. Both did not sign. 2020: Skipping for obvious reasons. This far back the draft was at 40 rounds instead of 20. 2019: 12 High Schoolers past the 10th round. 4 signed. They haven't signed a high schooler past the 10th round since 1019, and even then only signed 1/3 of them. So on and so forth throughout the draft cap era.

These shorts stops are likely to move off of position. Nazzan Zanatello SS/CF - True potential 5-tool talent, he actually will play SS, but will likely get a lot of time in CF as well. There is some thought that if he physically matures he could move off the position. Antonio Anderson SS/3B - While he is going to see time at both SS/3B developing most believe he will move off of the position. Most likely his home is at 3B or 2B. Kristian Campbell - SS/2B/OF - His home is likely 2B or the outfield. Average arm, but tremendous speed. Justin Riemer - SS/2B - Fringey arm, his best position is likely 2B. Pheonix Call - SS/OF - There's a very good chance he does not even sign, typically a few high school picks are taken after the 10th round which is insurance in case a top pick does not sign (as any pick after the 10th round does not have a bonus slot and therefore you can't lose pool money if you do not sign them there). I think there's a chance he signs, despite my disbelief towards MVP on the matter yesterday. Call it 50/50. If he does, scouts are torn on whether he is best suited for SS or CF. So you could say we drafted five short stops, but the reality is we might have really drafted a third baseman, a shortstop, a second baseman, a centerfielder, and a utility guy. Short stops are the best athletes, and often the best players on a team. Aside from the argument that they neglect pitching there really isn't anything to complain about from the position player perspective. You drafted a catcher with your top pick and the guy who gets big and slow moves to first. There you go....all your bases are covered.

Also, I agree with your last statement. That's actually exactly what I'd do. I'd love to sign Urias/Yama and have them lead Bello/Whitlock/Houck. If Sale stays healthy by some miracle then that's a bonus.

And those guys are 5-6 years away from the majors. So.....are we trying to extend the suck window by another 5 years? Also, most of those guys are not playing shortstop in pro ball. Lastly, that's not an argument for or against the value of that trade. EDIT: I realize you were probably being sarcastic. But it is still a point worth making for other people as well. A kid you draft today isn't going to be on your team for years. It's not like Football were you expect your day 1 picks to be immediate contributors. Even in football, you see BPA, although drafting for need is probably seen a little bit more.

Exactly, when they draft these kids they have a really good ideal if what it take to sign them. With that said, ever so often you get a Judd Fabian.

That’s the price you pay when he has years of team control, not three months. 6 years of Mayer, 5 years of Bello, 5 years of Casas, and 6 years of Rafaela, for the chance to pay Ohtani $600 million. You have no short stop, no first baseman, and Bello is starting to look like an ACE. I don’t believe that rumor, that sounds like a fans article.

That proposal for Ohtani is the dumbest thing I ever heard. Devoid your roster of any offer talent but you get Ohtani. Ask LA how that works out. Ohtani is the best, but you’ll be cheering for his stats and not wins if he doesn’t have a team around him. Just sign Yamamoto, he’s much much younger than Ohtani and will cost 1/3 of him. And he might be the better pitcher going forward.

We got Eduardo Rodriguez who was ranked 65 at the time for a reliever. There is a huge market inefficiency for pitching at the deadline. Maybe I’m wrong on this but it really feels like teams get desperate and are more inclined to overpay for pitching than they are hitting.

Paxton could bring back more than any rental we had last year. Duvall not so much

Yup, that’s why after the first couple rounds the best guys left often stay on the board until after the 10th round. Teams go under slot to save up money. Sox have 3 high schoolers past the 10th round. I think they can sign one of them.

Not as much as you think, as good as Bogey is he was still just a rental. Lets wait and see what premium players bring back this year. Bogey would have got you 1 top prospect in the 50-100 range and maybe another teams top 10. That a nice return, but it would be dwarfed by what you would get if he had 2+ years of control left.