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Anyways, moving on to more interesting things. Sox met with Montgomery agents. Montgomery + Yama? SIgn Bader or Duval and don't trade Verdugo. Sign me up.
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At bats not games played. He's not durable, and he's 35. I suppose opinions are like *******s, as all got one but I just don't see how anyone who wants to go for it loads up an outfield with that many question marks. I'd be insanely surprised if that happened. If they trade Verdugo it's because they're bringing in a Teoscar Hernandez (which I hate and don't think they will) or they are trading for Soto, or someone else.
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You're putting an awful lot of trust into this youth movement. We've seen plenty of guys come up, much much much more highly regarded with the bat and even hit well for 1/2 to a full season and then just disappear. You're assuming best case scenario for all of them and that almost never happens. You're also assuming Duval can be a full-time player. At age 35 his second most played games since he was 28 was 384. Your outfield has the capacity to be absolutely awful. Good teams roll the dice with uncertainty and young guys.....but not in all three positions.
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Replace with what? that was the whole point of my rebuttal. Is your outfield Yoshida/Duran/Abreu? I like all those guys, but I recognize the possibility of how disastrous that could be. If we just want to sell high, why not sell on Duran? or Abreu? or Rafaela? certainly, if these guys are cost-controlled for 5-6 years and better than a 2 WAR player they should bring back SUBSTANTIAL value in return. If the goal is to maximize an asset due to market conditions then those are the guys we should be trading, no????
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There are varying degrees of significant uncertainty in what all of Abreu/Duran/Rafaela/Yoshida will give you next year. Alex Verdugo's 1.8 fWar could easily be the 1st or 2nd best fWar in the outfield given your 2023 performances. What if Yoshida doesn't improve? heck what if his defense gets even worse? what if Abreu is a bust? what if Duran regresses? There's just sooooooo much potential for ugliness out there I don't know why team would trade a guy just because they should trade him to get something for him. By that logic alone, every single player with 1 year of team control, with obvious caveats that we shouldn't jump into for simplicity (E.G. resign franchise players like Bogaerts) we shouldn't jump into. Maybe we should talk about trading Pivetta, why not, there are at least a ton of options to replace him in free agency and on this roster!?!?!?!? If you think you have a chance of winning in 2024, you should really keep Verdugo for a year.
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Even if that was true that’s not a great excuse to trade him. Even if you can Verdugo in at 2 War, you don’t know what you’ll get from your 3 other outfielders and the market is just thin. We don’t know if Teoscar would have accepted if offered one. Perhaps the most important factor is Verdugo will be almost three years younger than Teoscar was when he hits FA. There’s real value in that for a guy in his twenties
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Pass on him in general? or just pass on him at that dollar amount? because it's one year and they're likely going above the LTL so who cares if they pay a few extra million. It's one year. There's really not much in FA, and any better option I would NOT want to sign to multiple years.
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What does Bloom have to do with Anderson? Bloom is gone, lets move on.
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I wouldn't mind taking a swing at a 1 year with Anderson, they could strike gold if he has a bounce-back year. He fits the bill.
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Eovaldi didn't get 20 million in the open market and he still turned it down. It's not about AAV as much as it's about total dollar. This might be Verdugo's only chance at a payday. If he gets even 40-50 million at a lower AAV than 20 he's taking it. You absolutely offer him a QO, unless he completely lays an egg in 2024.
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Sox already have Abreu, Duran, and Rafaella, with the first two being LHB. It's redundancy on the roster for what may end up equating to moving up in the draft a few spots. Verdugo and Pivetta are two guys you may want to keep around if you want to compete. Verdugo adds certainty to a position that has little and offers little in FA and Pivetta has shown he can be a very capable BOTH starter or possibly even elite in the BP. It would be a real head-scratcher for the Sox to make that move, even if it's a fair trade on paper.
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Fair trade on paper, but the Sox could get a pick for just offering Verdugo a QO and get a full year out of him. Marlowe is a nice young player, but the Sox already have a couple young, fringey outfielders who bat left handed. So I'd say no.
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I’d be surprised too, but not absolutely shocked.
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If the past 25 years defines the Boston Red Sox and not the last several then no one should ever think we can’t outbid anyone. People can be forgiven for being skeptical given the last few years but there’s equally nothing wrong with saying the Boston Red Sox should start acting like the BOSTON f***ING (I’ll say it) RED SOX again. I think they will, but nothing really surprises that much anymore.
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Weak side of a 1B platoon isn’t exactly a need for many teams. Dalbec, without drastic change, is going to be a AAAA guy. If he wants to stick around in pro ball he’s going to have to live with the fact that he’s that guy who plays in AAA and wait for a guy(s) to get hurt before he gets a chance
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Craig Breslow hired as Head Of Baseball Operations
Hugh2 replied to Tedballgame's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
It’s also a different position, he didn’t have the main gig in Chicago. He will probably spend a lot more days in the office in Boston than he did in Chicago. -
If the Sox make enough good moves to not need his bat I’d be perfectly fine just batting him 9th and plugging him in the 9 hole.
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Which is exactly why you platoon him. I suspect at least one of the outfield positions is going to be platooned in 2024
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Tis the season
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Craig Breslow hired as Head Of Baseball Operations
Hugh2 replied to Tedballgame's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
He won’t be working from home anymore here -
They're not starting all of Rafaela, Duran and Abreu, I'd be surprised if two of those guys are starting. Duval isn't a good option to start, giving his age and injury history he should be relegated to a platoon role. He fits the need of a RH-hitting bench bat that can play all three outfield positions. He's actually a good fit for the roster, but he has even splits, even reverse splits at times. That's fine, even preferable for an everyday player.......which Duval is not. All this makes the argument for keeping Verdugo, you need starters in the outfield.
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But he can't stay healthy for an entire season, I don't want to rely on him starting. Also, we have plenty of guys who can hit righties, it's good RHB this team is lacking.
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Craig Breslow hired as Head Of Baseball Operations
Hugh2 replied to Tedballgame's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
A good plan poorly executed looks an awful lot like a s*** plan. The Sox might think Breslow is just the Bloom that can actually do what Bloom said he was going to do. Or not. -
Craig Breslow hired as Head Of Baseball Operations
Hugh2 replied to Tedballgame's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
This is accurate, however. I always thought the "tampa north" branding was representative of that analytical mindset heavily employed in Tampa. Breslow is of a similar mind. They're more alike than they're different. -
Considering neither a full time player anymore, I'd put my money on the guy much younger. Bader vs. LHP is just as good as Duval, if used properly he'd be an upgrade.