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Take Dalbec off the 40 man. How many times does it take to realize he can't hit ML pitching and is only a marginal fielder. Bring up Anthony and move Rafaela to ss for the time being. Let's make some meanigful moves instead of sitting on our hands. Moving Devers to first might help our defense andCasas to DH while trading Yoshida. Moves to help the defense and to get rid of as many one way players and poor defenders as possible.

Dalbec went 0 for 4 with 3 K's today. Why not just bring up a prospect who would likely be better defensively and couldn't be a worse hitter.

I personally am thinking on going on the IL list for the season.

Why did the Sox believe Dalbec was going to suddenly hit ML pitching?

Last place is likely again but we could do worse by having a lower winning percentage.

All of the talk from the front office should be put into the context of 3 last place finishes in the last 4 years and likely another in 2024. Talking about structuring the team the right way put into the context of what has happened over a 5 year period shows the approach to be what it is and that being another year of inaction while nothing much happens and the rest of the league actually makes moves. It is time for a new ownership who actually cares about putting a competitive4 product on the field. It a new ownership said they wanted to rebuild the team through the use of our prospects, at least one would hope they meant it. Not the current group, they are just extracting profits and will until the fans rebel or boycott the e team.

Very little reason for optimism there. How many years does it take to fix the Red Sox? It's indeterminant. All the thousand and one e-mails posted suggesting trades and FA signings posted by Moon and others while virtually none have come to fruition. It's a tough time to be a Sox fan. If we get lucky, maybe some of the prospects will be the real deal. A 500 record if we are lucky. Perhaps a boycott is in order.

We headed full throttle into last place. That's where we have been accustomed to land.

Fool Me Once, Shame on You; Fool Me Twice, Shame on Me My view of Red Sox ownership

Join the vast majority of Red Sox fans who feel frustrated that the statements (going full throttle) and the realities (no significant positive actions) don't line up. It appears that we will need new ownership before we can expect the team to move forward.

#33 Despite their improved rosters, Yankees, Rays, Orioles and Blue Jays all play worse then they did in 2023.

Sure looks like the Sox ownership has no idea of fielding a competitive product in 2024. It certainly could lead to a sale soon.

It doesn't look like we are doing much with the FA path this year so perhaps Breslow will complete advantageous trades. I would like to see some actions in January as of this date we appear to be no better than last year, maybe worse. We have some surplus in the outfield and perhaps Mayer will become trade bait.

I think Breslow will continue to be more decisive than Bloom and still is actively trying to trade of assets for more pitching and perhaps for an additional bat. We have Yoshita and we have more outfielders even without Yoshida than we need. Possibly Myer is expendable. I expect that Breslow will get one more starter either through FA or trade and that he will also find a quality bat with food power who can DH and at least play a field position on a part time basis. Clearly we need to make improvements in at least some positions if we hope to leave the NL East cellar in 2024.

I'm all for trading Yoshida if we can shed his salary and then apply that to more pitching. He is a defensive liability, is slow on the base path and while his OBP is good his power is not a strong point. If Breslo can find a trade that improves the team, he should go for it.

Happy New Year to you as well and to the others on the site, and have a safe return flight. My only negative to the Sale trade is based on the rumor that we could have given him away at full salary the year before but Bloom was indecisive. If so, we would have saved two years of $27.5 mil and perhaps applied that to a solid starter. Bloom is gone now and we have a guy that is making moves. Lets hope he is clearing payroll space to take on a quality starter. It may take shaking up the outfield and or relief pitching, or other prospects. I'll give Breslow some freedom from criticism, at least until opening day, to see what our team looks like.

Did you think Sale was worth the $27 mil he was getting? We got Grissham and we have $10 million we wouldn't have had with Sale.

It's a start.

After months of speculation about FA signings and trades on these sites, it is looking like the management's full throttle response is in reverse. Time to sell the team to an owner who wants to be competitive.

The Sox have spent the last few years near or at the bottom of our division. During that time, we have improved our minor league prospects and we reset the payroll (a year later than necessary). Clearly we need pitching upgrades for 2024, plus we have an outfield without plus plus players, a hole at 2nd base and defensive issues at the corners. Otherwise, we have a lot of room for improvement. The choice for starting pitching will be either to get into the sure to be bidding wars' for mature FA's. Big multiyear contracts, or we can try to trade for quality arms by offering some of our best prospects. you have identified possible choices in other posts but they represent our best prospects (Rafaela, Anthony, Mayer, Yorke, etc. We have money to spend, but so far notching has been done there. Will the fans be facing a 2024 in which the team tries to integrate our best prospects while unloading those that are marginal? Perhaps that would be a better path than trading those prospects for a couple or arms that will only marginally move the team forward. Will Cora be with the team in 2025? I wouldn't count on it. So bold moves are required but also done wisely. So far nothing has happened that suggests we are on the upswing.

The idea of Yoshida helping to sign Yamamoto is now ancient history. Do we really need slow, below average fielding players who can only realistically perform as DHers on the team. We seem to be going full throttle but are driving a Citroen 2CV. We need bold moves that bring us above average players at all positions, particularly pitching. I am not optimistic that is our direction.

I think the Sox have made a good faith offer to Yamamoto but the probability off winning the bidding war is around 20%. I think the Sox are awaiting settlement of that issue, by Jan 4th, before committing to other expensive offers. It is a risky approach as other quality arms might take offers before the Sox get in the mix for others. My fear is that the Sox will wind up not getting anyone of note and go into the 2024 season no better off than during Blooms years. We have seen talk the talk before, now it's time to walk the walk. Still, moves have to be made wisely. So far, there have been no high level acquisitions.

I made the same point on the other string but perhaps showed more frustration. Just do it!

So far, all I see is more of the Bloom approach, mostly smoke with no fire. Are we going to be told we made a good try for a front line starting pitcher or are we actually going to get at least one or hopefully two? Also, lots of talk about 2nd base but nothing yet. Reminds me of the Bloom years.

These are insane salaries. No doubt about it and no end in sight although it could all come crashing down. I find it hard to believe the revenues can keep rising fast enough to pay these guys with the fan base incomes barely increasing in real terms.