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Actually I’m the one saying he’ll do the smart thing and complete the trade. And I will pick on whatever baseball personality I want to regardless of whether or not you approve…

The more I think about this, if DD doesn’t make a deal for Song, he is more than not likely to have to return him. And I’m losing confidence in Ward sticking in Washington as well…

Only one of those numbers is guaranteed…

Elvis Luciano just turned 23 and is currently a free agent…

How many guaranteed years do you get from Mayer and Rafaela?

Most likely they figured no one would touch Song after a 3 year hiatus. Especially with Wikkelman, Ryan Fernandez, and Jacob Wallace available…

Ok fine. The Sox become jerks and insist on Andrew Painter. DD can always simply try and keep Song in MLB all year, but that’s not as easy as you seem to think, especially for a team hoping to defend the NL pennant. Of course this is Dave Dombrowski. Unless Bloom asks for Painter or Abel, he’ll probably give up just about anyone else no questions asked…

Has anyone other SP started a game as a teenager since Felix?

Hey you said the Sox were being jerks about it. The problem is people look at the Rule 5 draft like it’s a way to steal other players; it’s actually the worst way to get them. You give up a year of minor league development and bring the player a year closer to free agency, all while making him ride the bench. Throw in that Song has never really pitched, and this situation just gets worse. I don’t see Philly keeping him in an active roster spot for a full year as a “low leverage specialist.” The Phillies used 29 different relief pitchers last year when NOT trying to hold a spot for player development. Are they going to use fewer pitchers next year to accommodate Song? While trying to repeat as the NL pennant winner? The Sox can hold out for whatever. To me, the Phillies farm looks very weak with maybe 2 decent players tops. So barring those two, DD would be an idiot to not make a simple trade. People are acting like keeping Song on a roster all year while competing is going to be easy. If you do, you’re very wrong, unless Song is a hit right out of the gate. Most Rule 5 picks are not. Most Rule 5 picks get returned. So really what it comes down to for DD is - hope Song is worth it immediately, which is likely. Otherwise his options are make a trade or send him back…

The last pitcher in MLB history to throw a perfect game!!

You can never have too many Juan Soto’s. Unless you’re the team accountant…

Absolutely!!!! Wouldn’t you?

DD can try to hold Song all year, which will always be the stupider option. And you’re showing bias. Why are the Sox the jerks for holding out? If Song is so good he can just walk to MLB after his whopping 17 A ball IP 3 years ago, shouldn’t the Sox get something good for him?

And what do you call it if the prospect goes on to greatness and Song flames out after a couple dozen innings?

In for 23

Ok. My prediction is DD will trade for Song (re: pay for, aka not steal), because I actually don’t think DD is stupid enough to try and keep Song any other way…

BTV says Mayer and Rafaela straight up is acceptable. Or Bello, Rafaela and Bleis…

The Sox had plenty of other players ahead of Song worth protecting. Not sure why so many think Song is some freakish magical player whose abilities transcend time and he can just walk on to any field anywhere anytime and flat out dominate. The Sox left several pitchers exposed who are certainly better than Song right now. Wikelman, Wallace and Ryan Fernandez, for example…

So you’re saying he will trade a prospect to Boston so that Song can be optioned to the minors and developed properly? Or do you think he will play Injured List games and do everything possible to keep Song active without letting him actually pitch solely to reach the magical 90 day mark and then bury him on the Injured List?

What’s your point? That Philly can bury him by giving him EVEN MORE INACTIVITY?!?!? Song NEEDS to face live hitters regularly if he is ever going to live up to any potential. Why do you repeatedly keep suggesting ways for Philly to keep him that circumvent that incredibly obvious fact?

But once they put him on the Military List, they remove him from the 40 man roster and all it’s protections. Frankly the gamble that no one would draft Song seemed pretty safe. And even now that he was taken, the gamble that he will stick and stay in Philly at least without Sox compensation are also pretty safe…

Make a move for Soto!!

Players reinstated from the Military List are given 15 days (not games, days) to get in shape in the minors. So Song gets 15 days to get in shape.

Does the Military List operate that way? Song has been on the Military Lust since 2021, but was never added to the 40 man roster. Why not do it if he didn’t occupy a space on the 40 man anyway?

Before we go further down the path of finding pitchers with prolonged inactivity and thinking those situations are comparable to Song, bear in mind Noah Song has a career high in IP of SEVENTEEN. Whitlock and anyone else pitched much more. DD is well aware and certainly should guess that 17 IP in low A ball might not be the best warmup for a full season in MLB. He also can’t bury Song on the IL for half a year, because Song’s biggest flaw is inactivity and you don’t cure that with more inactivity. If Song shows up topping out at 87mph, he will be sent back and the entire scenario only costs Philly less than one game’s worth of Trea Turner salary. If he is impressive enough for Philly to want him, then notorious prospect unloaded DD should do the smart thing, and trade for Song, allowing him to option Song to the minors. Given its DD (and a freakishly shallow Philly farm system), safe to assume everyone except Andrew Painter and Mick Abel are available…