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Everything posted by notin
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Exactly. Bullpens are more important now. And that practice does affect pitcher win totals…
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It does impact OBP. A sac bunt and a sac fly are plate appearances…
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Huh? I get not crediting a hitter with an at bat on a sac bunt; the hitter isn’t even trying to get a hit. He is intentionally bunting. But a sac fly is happenstance. Even if the hitter is trying to drive the ball. Run-scoring groundballs are at bats; why aren’t run-scoring flyballs? But that’s another matter. The sac fly has a weird history. From 1900 to 1908: Any flyball that advanced a runner was not an at bat. From 1908 to 1930: Only run-scoring flyballs were not at bats. From 1931 to 1939: Run-scoring flyballs were at bats 1940: Run-scoring flyballs were not at bats From 1941 to 1954: Run scoring flyballs were at bats again From 1955-present: No at bat credited if a run scored on a fly out. That’s more messed up than save rule changes. I do think MLB could go back in and fix batting averages from 1931 to 1954 to the current rules. If they can go back in and do the monumental task of putting saves in from 18?? To 1965, they can adjust batting averages. Get rid of .406 and replace it with .419
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Johnny: And what does that W-L record mean? Teacher: Nothing. Johnny: But he’s never won more than 10 games!! The object is to win! Teacher: Win as a team yes. But it didn’t matter what pitcher gets the win. Johnny: But his career high is ten! Teacher: Look, we can go on all day with examples of good pitchers and bad W-L records. Johnny: Oh you can always disprove some stat with examples. But that doesn’t disprove it! Teacher: Huh? If you do disprove it with data, maybe that’s because it’s not very good. Johnny: But the object is to win!! It has to be. Teacher: You might have problems, Johnny…
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Do I get to repost the link again where I clearly DID NOT say that? And were you clearly agreed with what I did say? f*** it. Here it is. Post 58. https://www.talksox.com/forum/threads/20314-MLB-to-ban-the-shift/page4?highlight=Rule+shift+guard Not the first time I’ve showed you…
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But.. but… but… he’s entitled to his opinion. Of course the Stat Head crowd isn’t treating this like an opinion. We’re providing data that leads to a conclusion…
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I’m going with the top three as the most likely reasons…
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We don’t really need to look into his games. In three years, he pitched 524 innings (16th most in MLB), had a 3.48 ERA (31st in MLB for 300 inning minimum) but was only credited with 25 wins (53rd most in MLB). This tells us he pitched slot, didn’t give you a lot of runs, but was still rarely credited with a win. Heck, Tony Gonsolin had more wins despite pitching 260 fewer innings. Alek Manoah had more wins despite pitching fewer innings with a higher ERA. And the reasons are most likely the obvious ones - lack of run support or blown leads by the bullpen. Poor defense and unearned runs could be another culprit. And these three primary causes for his lack of wins are all not factors Montgomery can control. Those are Outside Factors. Yet when we look at his wins solely, we hold these outside factors against him…
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Montgomery didn’t get wins. Why not? He has never had an ERA over 4.00 (with more than 50IP). He throws innings, racking up 524 of them in the past 3 seasons. So he is pitching innings and not allowing runs. Why isn’t he getting wins?
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Are you crying victim here?
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Unless that opinion is held by moon and states that the team is playing well or can improve…
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We probably all grew up with them. They were on the backs of our cards. And they have their uses. Get 300 wins? Hit 500 HRs? Drive in 1,500 RBI? That’s all Hall of Fame stuff. That’s history and it belongs in a museum. But for evaluating a player (which admittedly is not my job) I don’t find a lot of them useful. Or at the very least, I find others more useful…
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That you didn’t bare about OPS and thought replacing Renfroe’s RBIs was most important…
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The real problem is there’s been no coverage (that I’ve seen). So we don’t know what he’s turning down, if anything. I haven’t heard of anyone making actual formal offers. No idea what numbers get bandied about in conversations with Boras. This is one very quiet high profile negotiation…
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All anyone is saying is his W-L record doesn’t say much about him as a pitcher…
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You’ve called out myself and others for using OPS over stats like RBI…
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“Arguing with statheads is futile. Why can’t these people just accept everything I say as correct?”
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I am just as accepting of W-L records for pitchers as you are of OPS…
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Am I not entitled to an opinion? It’s odd you keep calling me out for having one you don’t like. And telling me to respect the opinions you do. And then telling me that just because you’re closed-minded to viewpoints that conflict with yours doesn’t mean you’re not open-minded…
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Actually, it does…
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That doesn’t mean it’s worthwhile for individual pitchers. In fact, it supports why it isn’t…
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As opposed to the open-mindedness of old schoolers?
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And that’s your opinion. Or admission of stubbornness. I’ve changed the occasional viewpoint based on points other posters have made. Multiple times…
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Hard to say, since it has never been defined by anyone. Most people just say stuff like "I know one when I see one" and expect me to defer to their authority...
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And I am entitled to question it or comment on it, am I not?
